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Author Topic: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!  (Read 3710 times)

52ravens

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #180 on: April 23, 2018, 01:17:47 PM »
Here are the next three cards. I notice that the view counter is going up but no one is responding. I'd love to know what you guys think when trying to find the traditional meanings in the cards, any feedback is extremely useful.

Let me know what you think  ;D


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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #181 on: April 23, 2018, 03:20:52 PM »
A deck is always better when it is designed to be read by fellow readers.
I totally understand that, this is why I'm here, to make sure what I'm producing is up to the standards you guys expect.

RWS has such childlike simplicity amongst its symbolism. Adding more art can often hide the symbolism.
With that in mind, would you think that the symbolism would be hard to find for experienced readers?
In your cards that I've seen, I have trouble actually finding RWS symbolism.

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #182 on: April 28, 2018, 03:38:01 AM »
3 more cards, let me know what you guys think  :D


52ravens

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #183 on: May 05, 2018, 11:05:34 AM »
Here are the next three cards, I'd love to know what you guys think  ;)


52ravens

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #184 on: May 10, 2018, 11:33:45 AM »
Hey, today I have the next six cards to move things along. Let me know if you feel the meanings aren't shining through  ;D




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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #185 on: May 10, 2018, 12:31:12 PM »
I like it.  are all the characters female? 

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #186 on: May 10, 2018, 05:27:39 PM »
Hey, today I have the next six cards to move things along. Let me know if you feel the meanings aren't shining through  ;D




Why is the King of Pentacles a girl?

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52ravens

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #187 on: May 11, 2018, 10:51:42 AM »
I like it.  are all the characters female? 

Thank you, it is an all female tarot deck  :D

@Samual_Jennings - please see above haha ;D

Thanks for look guys!

52ravens

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #188 on: May 14, 2018, 04:07:46 AM »
3 new ones to take a look at  ;D


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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #189 on: May 14, 2018, 09:17:36 PM »
Your artwork is lovely!  <3
 I am a tarot reader and have launched a kickstarter with my own  illustrations. (Tarot of Little Secrets).   Art for me is actually much like reading tarot.  When reading, I have found that the cards say what they want to say and go where they want to go.  The creative process is much like that for me.  Although my deck is based on the RWD, there is absolute artistic licence in my interpretation of the symbolism.  Some of this will be explained in the LWB, but I believe intuitive tarot readers will find their own meanings in the images.  For that reason, I rather like the idea that you just jumped right in!  I would suggest, however, that you familiarize yourself with some of the universally understood meaning of the archetypes and see if you have those elements in your illustrations.  For instance, the 7 of cups is about fantasy, illusion, choices that may not be what they seem. Are there elements you could add to the illustration to convey this?

52ravens

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #190 on: May 16, 2018, 09:20:44 AM »
@tarotsquared - Thank you. Tarot of Little Secrets looks great on kickstarter, 20+ days to go and you're almost funded, great work! I really like the Ace of Pentacles  8)

Its no secret that I'm not a tarot reader and I'm sure a lot of my art is missing parts that are needed by those that know the cards, but I'm finding research alone is limiting, hence posting here to get opinions.

I did have two very helpful users that spotted these things for me but lately its just me posting what I have. I'm so thankful for their help, I believe they really made a difference to the deck, but they've moved on or are too busy, and thats fine (I'm not silly to think that other people don't have their own lives to live haha).

I'll take a look at the seven of cups with fantasies, illusion and misleading choices in mind. Maybe once I'm done with this draft I'll go back over them and see if the cards really do fit the meanings and I haven't just got lost in the fun of creating the artwork  ;D

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #191 on: May 16, 2018, 09:09:53 PM »
Good luck!They are beautiful,

52ravens

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #192 on: May 20, 2018, 03:35:09 AM »
Good morning to you all on this sunny Sunday (well it is in the London, UK)

Here are three more cards to look at, let me know your thoughts on how the meanings come through.


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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #193 on: May 22, 2018, 04:37:00 AM »
I had an issue with this deck that I struggled to understand exactly what was for the longest time, but now I think I've got it figured out. So if I can come with a suggestion or critique I kind of think the people in many of your images are standing around and not interacting with your world a whole lot? It's like they're just there, part of the scenery and don't come across to me as having a purpose with what they're doing or who they're with. This feel gets amplified since quite a lot of them have faces that are turned away, are far into the distance or somehow shrouded in darkness. They come across to me as a little aloof or disengaged as a whole, but I think they have been overall improving and getting more diverse in your more recent batches so it's probably fair to say this is more of an issue in the Majors and Wands, maybe some of the Pents (I haven't scrolled all the way back to see all of them, I gotta admit, but I remember having this feeling from early on in your project). That 9 of Cups is a card I'm a big fan of! Same with the King of Pentacles, she has a different pose (facing the viewer of the card) that I don't think we've seen much of before. 8 of Cups is very standard but I like it as well, since from ye olde classic ideas about this card the person in the image is very purposefully walking away from us. And I try to imagine the kinds of things that could come through for someone with a complicated relationship with their mother if they were to pull the 10 of Cups.

It could be mostly me who need some extra engagement from the people in the cards, a lot of people love this kind of scene composition and I'm sure there are many decks that have that "people standing around looking mysterious"-vibe and still working great. And I do know other people are far better than me at getting intuitive ideas from tarot cards, it isn't really my strongest suit and something I try to work on. For all I know you have planned this deck to be a lot of shrouded or turned away people, and that's ok if that's your plan. But if this wasn't intentional it could be worth looking into, maybe when you're done with your initial 78 images you could lay them out and look at the scenes and see how many of them are similar or convey a similar feeling. At that point you might want to rework some of them, although I imagine fixing stuff is a lot easier if you have adequate skills working digitally since you can move things around a lot and not necessarily start from scratch. With that textured filter you might not be able to add in so many little tiny details because they get lost in the texture, so if you're open to the idea and I'm not trespassing too rudely on your territory I wonder if you could have fun with some close-ups as well? The Morgan-Greer Tarot, for example, is a fun 70's tarot that has pretty much all waist up, chest up or just faces for the people and it works pretty well in my opinion, even in more action-oriented cards. Sometimes there is just hands and it's quite effective!

When I say this I also wanna note that I don't think I'm in the market for this deck, I thought whatsawhosits critique earlier was an interesting read (although I am a wimp and would have cried if I got that myself, being an artist is hard!) and I agree you shouldn't get too caught up in what I say and stay focused on your ~artistic vision~. This is your project, not mine, after all. I was one of the people wondering about the composition in your Fool early on because I thought that was the sort of feedback you were looking for but I agree it went off in a not so fun direction (for me at least) so I just stepped away since there seemed to be enough other people interested. So with that all out in the open I'm curious to see how this develops because I think it's been getting a bit more diverse recently and that's a good thing to me. Maybe it has helped you focus more on your vision with this thread being more quiet for a while now?
« Last Edit: May 22, 2018, 04:48:16 AM by Page of Ghosts »

52ravens

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Re: Opinions on the artwork for new deck please!
« Reply #194 on: May 22, 2018, 12:42:33 PM »
Hey @Page of Ghosts, thank you for taking the time to write such a wonderful suggestion/critique, its so helpful to hear what people think.

I really do see what you mean when I look back. I think as I’ve gone on (from about mid way through pentacle), I may have got a better feel for what I want each card to say. I’m not suggesting that my research is anywhere near perfect but maybe its improving. . . a little haha

I think when I was getting help with the meanings it was pushing me in a better direction, it truly is the one thing I’m most worried about getting right, that the images appeal to others and convey what they need to say. I can’t deny that this project has been more difficult without their help, but totally understand that there are bigger things in the world and they have their own lives :)

The Morgan-Greer Tarot has some really interesting artwork. I like the way a lot of it (like you said) is close up and tight with the characters. I guess its really filling the card with enough to get the meaning across. Maybe looking at this artwork will help me when I get to the end of my 78 cards and see if I can get the same sense from these cards as I do my own. This might be the way forward for me, to take a look at as many versions of one card, that follow similarly with RWS, and compare them to my end result. What do you think? I like the idea of going in closer too and this is something I’ll keep in mind, not every card needs a full figure.

Don’t put yourself down for offering an opinion, I can roll with the punches and take it on the chin when people feel the need. Sometimes it needs to be said, and good or bad it will only help (I think). The Fool card did get a lot of attention and it got changed around, but I’m happy with the final result, help with the meaning of the cards is what I need, so thank you for helping. It may not have been the original vision, but I feel its a better card thanks to other peoples involvement.