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  2. joy

    Hi from older newbie

    Hello @70s_Mimi welcome to the TT&M Family
  3. Libra 58

    What's The Postman Bringing? Part 2

    My latest: "Earthly Souls & Spirits Moon Oracle" by Terri Foss. "The Transparent Tarot" by Emily Carding.
  4. Is this a case of there not being any evidence they were used for fortune telling or more a case of the game came first? Have to admit my history doesn't go back as far as the 1400s! Though the BT meanings had to come from somewhere? They're most likely older than 1750, it's just we don't have any written record of them afaik Imo (if I was to take a single card to represent a snake in the grass) in modern tarot that would be the Page of Swords. Waite says he's a spy, and represents those kinds for qualities (so can easily be a snake), but in super modern tarot this has kind of been lost. I think people went through a phase of making all the court cards nice, and lessened the harshness of the Swords and it has removed the cards that would denote a backstabber or snake. Also we focus on court cards as personalities in todays writings, but back then they were more rigid in their interpretation. A QoS was a widow and would represent loneliness, sadness and at times poverty. Whereas modern interpretations are so different! You're totally right though that tarot isn't as fixed a lenormand. You can have so many combos for a person you can't trust. It's probably down to the size of the decks. Tarot has far more possibilities, so it needs to be a bit flexible, whereas (old)TB only has 35 cards and Lenormand 36 so you probably need cards to be less open and more defined to create a system. Yes I've seen this spread, it's a fun one to do and does seem similar to the Triage en Croix. I'd place money on it being a predecessor to the Triage 🤣 The hand spread is mostly used with a single card for each finger, but originally you'd divide the deck into 5 piles, one for each finger. So for the old 35 deck it would be 5 piles of 7 cards. It would be a tarot technique that would transfer to lenormand. You'd end up with one card left over, but if you remove the querents significator it wouldn't be an issue.
  5. @akiva Ok, now you got me going off on a tangent. I did a bit of reading and found this site for Bolognese https://rinascimentoitalianartenglish.wordpress.com/2020/02/27/the-oldest-method-of-reading-the-tarot/ The site mentions a reading method called game of the hand ... which sorta reminds me of the 5-card Tirage en Crox. Like maybe a predecessor. Purely spitballing but I found it interesting.
  6. Ah. I was speaking of the original 1400s Tarocchi Triunfi having philosophical themes. They weren't for telling fortunes, so in some ways its not a fair comparison. I'm not familiar with the later iterations [Pratesi, Bolognese]. If they're from 1750ish ... likely they would have much in common with Lenormand since they only predate it by 50 years or so. Times had changed a LOT since the 1400s Tarocchi. Tarocco Bolognese etc. is something I should study as I'm pretty ignorant of it. In the modern RWS-based styles, Any of the Queens might be a snake or backstabber depending context and surrounding cards. So this was my thinking about why modern Tarot doesn't have such specific cards for a liar or gaslighter. You would have to see Knight Cups with Devil and Magician in a romance question [for example] to tell the client, "don't trust this guy. He may seem sincere, but he's a player and lying to you." In Lenormand we might see that possibility simply from the Dog being distant and snake or fox being near. But I guess that's pretty contextual, too };>
  7. This is an interesting topic, and you're right that work in LN is a bit obscure. Being no defined work card we have to rely on anchor, moon, fish etc as different aspects of working life. I think this depends on reading style. In some older traditions Queen of Wands/Batons is definitely not a woman to be trusted, she's a home wrecker. In the 1750 Pratesi sheet she's labelled a wh*re! In the modern TB system the people to not trust are the Page of Cups (rival woman), King of Swords (rival man), Queen of Swords (affliction caused by a woman) In other systems I've seen the Queen of Swords as a vengeful woman, and the Page of Swords as a spy/traitor. But any court card with The Moon, Devil, etc, would be a cause for concern! The same could apply to business too (hence the amount of trade/commerce cards). Employees and businessmen didn't have the same protections they do today, so they'd definitely want to know what's up! The original Tarocco Bolognese sheet from 1750 has interesting meanings pertaining to marriage (while it's only one trump, I do think it shows that marriage was in their minds back then): The Bagatto: Married man Lovers: Love The Angel (Judgement): Marriage and settlement King of Wands: Unmarried man Queen of Cups: Married woman There's also cards for betrayal, sex, the bed (sick and sex), litigation, it reads like an opera 🤣
  8. Misterei

    Deck of the Week Sign-up Thread, Week 359: May 20 - May 26

    Curious how you get this. Why would ace pents be a tarot reading more than, say, ace wands? Yes. I think Amazon and every corporate/government entity is after our money, our attention, our thoughts, our bodies, our souls ... I'm learning to discern if I'm buying a new deck b/c I genuinely want it ... or if its just for the momentary dopamine rush of finding and acquiring a Thing. I still get it wrong sometimes ... but I also get it right sometimes.
  9. Misterei

    Tarot Deck Interview

    I thought interview spreads were totally useless and stupid for years. I recently developed more of an affection for the practice using it for DotW on this forum. That being said, I had to make my own interview spread b/c many of what I saw on the internet seemed insipid. Still, I wished you posted pix of the Vintage Tarot. I think it would be fun to see that deck 😉 I got along fine for 44 years with NEVER doing an deck interview. It's a new-fangled thing and not everyone's cup of tea. Plus you're not wrong that they can be kinda stupid.
  10. fire cat pickles

    Deck of the Week Sign-up Thread, Week 359: May 20 - May 26

    Welcome back @Madame Squee and @Bodhiseed!
  11. It strikes me how many cards Lenormand has for false friendships. Snake and Fox are both people who will lie to you, manipulate you, or trick you. And by the traditional Philippe Lenormand instructions, other cards like Bear or Dog can warn of disloyal or false friends when distant from the Person. Recently i've come to appreciate this quality of LN. Sorting through frenemies and gaslighting. It's not always obvious in Tarot ... but LN has cards exactly for that. Less clear in LN are employment or "work" cards. Which has spawned debate vis a vis. Moon, Fox, Anchor, etc. RWS style Tarot gives very clear employment cards: Kn Pents, Ace Pents, 8 Pents. I miss this in LN although I'm learning to adjust. Yet Tarot doesnt have cards specific to false freinds. Magician R or with negative cards can show manipulative communication. Likewise, Fool, Moon, or Devil may show aspects of duping someone or manipulative communication. But it's way more fluid and situational with Tarot. It fascinates me how these decks focus on different aspects of the Human experience. Clearly in LN times, knowing a person's true intentions was extremely important. I can't help but think it's b/c these cards emerged at a time when marriage was so important. You didn't want to risk your whole future on marrying the wrong person. Thus the many cards specific to false or disloyal friends. Tarot is different. The original Tarocchi Trumps illustrated religious or philiosphical themes. They were never created to advise on making a good marriage. Vis a vis reading styles. I don't know that I see such a sharp divide in reading methods as some suggest. There are both similarities and differences. The whole numerology, astrology, and Hermetic philosophy dimension is missing from LN. So I suppose I will say I can read Tarots using LN techniques but I can't necessarily read LNs using Tarot techniques.
  12. By Modern Theosophy i mean the version put forth by Blavatsky and the TS. Which is somewhat dated now ... but they got a few things right. Anyway by that philosophy the levels of the Astral are fluid. The soul can travel between them. The trick is to avoid the lower since the upper are more fun. Vis a vis death and heaven. Heaven is on a higher plane. NOT the astral. The incarnation dies in stages. Physical body death, pranic body death, astral body death, mental body death, heaven, reincarnation [if that's the soul's path.] So the soul spends time on the astral after death to complete its karma there. When the astral body finally dies, the process repeats with the mental body on the mental plane. Thus "death" is a process which may take some years to complete the various karmas on each plane.
  13. Thanks for sharing. Looks interesting. Seems there are different nationality styles of reading LN ... I'm still exploring to find my personal style };> You mean the Meuris books? Yes, me too. My house is too small to buy any more physical books.😉
  14. Tom

    Tarot Deck Interview

    I tried a new interview spread, but I am not finding these spreads particularly helpful. I’m not likely to use a deck to try to fit my circumstances. I did an interview of the The Vintage Tarot which I got recently. The answer to these spreads always seem to cryptic to me. The answer I got from the Vintate Tarot spread is that it is unconventional and help with family matters, money, and equilibrium. I had to drop two extra cards for clarification. I don’t want to do these interviews anymore, if I want to read with a particular deck it’s because my intuition is telling me to. The more one works with a deck the more it gets in tune with your vibrations anyway. I can do this interview in a week and I’d expect to get a different answer if I end up using it frequently.
  15. I just purchased this on Kindle, currently 9.99 from 40. (On Amazon ca) The Complete Book of The Petit Lenormand: German Method https://a.co/d/2ffhdYf I actually saw it couple weeks and added it to my wish list. I been waiting for the 3 enclopedias to come on kindle, but still only in book form. I also was looking for a more German style as though I got andy b book, I was looking for more. At first thought was going to be fluffy after the preface, I'm just now getting to German suits which is what I really looking for. I know ttam forum mods in general put forth there is no lenormand school of learning. That is one thing she says at the beginning how there is German, French, Brazilian and each as their value. The key thing is to pick one... Which to personally use tarot as example , one has to decide if the swords are fire or air. Where I stopped off to write this, she is written the differnt between French and German style. And surprisingly enough ( for me) devoted some pages to Brazilian style...AND REVERSALS She doesn't use them, but endorses them if you like to use them, and gives some reason. I will take a look The 36 cards themselves get about 2 to 3 pages except for the coffin which gets 5 pages. The subchapter themes cards as personality , behavior seems to talk about the 36 cards as if they were people but the next chapter deals with the court cards.. so you get an even deeper look as the cards as people. Then you get in the cards as profession, work( they 2 differnt things here, ) money, travel , time, Magick ( that interested me) By now as I looked through the sections, there hasn't been any spreads yet. But you get the feeling of sort of feeling for the cards energy Chapter 4 talking about codes which leads to Mod!. , facing,, law of repetition, I'm 53 percent throughout the book Starting to see some little spreads but they are set up to explain a principle of reading, which gives it a better flow . Now she explains some cards combos as they explain these principles but not for every card, it goes rider, ship, 5 snake, coffin, scythe and so forth. Then talks about more laws and all that in chapter 4. Chapter 5, combo techniques us 63 percent on my kindle This gives some more laws, philosophy and goes into 2 cards combo, 2 pages on how cards form multiple pairs in a line spread. Talks about finding hidden card. Chapter 6 starts expanding to 2 card card spread, 3 card, goes to 3x3 spread ( called 3 card spread extended. 3 more spreads are shown, with my interest piqued by her grandmother spread. Chapter 7 is the grand tableu. It is actually the last chapter and heck of lot in depth The houses, ! Covered 2x Techniques we know today, knighting, mirroring are like minor techniques. Then it goes into how to read your own grand tableu. By now, just skimming along, I looked at a good 600 hundred pages, it made think of the gt in a new way that's for sure. The author is very very well read, and experienced. There are very nice illustrations
  16. Anesiadora

    Does probability matter in Tarot?

    I don't view any card as specifically a yes or no, the answer of the card would depend on its context within the question. So there's not really set odds in the way that I personally read yes or no answers. Depending on how you define your cards as answers, the probability can be set or change, however regardless of the odds, I think if you shuffle and draw intuitively, you'll still get the answer. I did an experiment way back of only having 5 set cards as a no answer a while back, and they still popped up when they needed to, so imo probability is less of a force than intuition. The powers that be will give you the answer you need to hear.
  17. Rachelcat

    Deck of the Week Sign-up Thread, Week 359: May 20 - May 26

    Obviously, that makes the card more important! But also then I would closely read the differences between the two. I don't think I could do two of exactly the same deck. That would be strange. But these are just alike enough AND different enough to make it interesting! I did have two kings of wands in the interview, but the spread positions differentiated them. It would be more of a challenge with no spread position meanings! Maybe I'll try that this week too!
  18. Bodhiseed

    Deck of the Week Sign-up Thread, Week 359: May 20 - May 26

    I'm late to the party! Thank you, Fire cat. ❤️ This week I'll be using the Cosmic Tarot, created by Norbert Losche and published by U.S. Games. I'll also be drawing from L'Oeil de Lotus (Eye of the Lotus), created by Colette and Gérard Lougarre and published by Vox Arkhana. Today's cards are the Ten of Wands and Winter: The burden in our minds is always heavier than the burdens on our shoulders. ― Mehmet Murat ildan Intense pain, in some respects, is like an orgasm; it literally sweeps away every thought in the mind except for the physical sensation itself. We've all felt some degree of it, and usually battle it like an enemy, wanting the pain to go away and stop disrupting our busy lives. But these thoughts add to our pain. Rebecca Li defines suffering as an experience of the present moment to which we add vexations (craving, aversion, delusion). We want our health back, hate our infirmity, and believe it will last forever. But perhaps there is another way. The oracle card Winter depicts the season of cold and starkness - a fitting representation for pain (especially with the man using the cane). Yet this season will eventually pass, giving way to spring. Pain too can fluctuate, sometimes ebbing sometimes surging. It will not stay unchanged. Curiosity rather than anger may be a guide to less suffering.
  19. Yea, theosophy from the old sciences is the closest one to what I studied too, for the lower stuff(as they avoided presenting information of the spiritual dimensions back then). Made some really incongruent ideas, sometimes, as they presented prophecy of the "Rider of the White Horse" as anchoring in the Mental Dimensions(though it did more then that), but never fully go into where it comes from or what it is, I think, as obviously if it anchors in the Mental it has to come from "above"... But if we don't present what is above, people will get confused eventually... I do have to say I haven't read much there, as we view that there were so vast changes last 30 years, that much of the stuff there isn't valid anymore, or if somewhat valid is definitely not the essence of how it works now. Anyway I do agree, but high or low, still suppose to be fluid. There was the idea the "heavens" of many religions are in the higher astral. Makes sense, if we think about it. But there is no development there, so one need at least one more incarnation to be able to finish in dense physicality. So learns/lives then creates with training/meditations that connection with the higher astral... But can't finish here with that, as that is like a good emotion when meditating. Its nice and all, but they don't have "purpose", "path" or the other structural stuff one needs to have a stable movement here. Then one more incarnation(usually more I think) in places one wouldn't expect where there is stuff worth fighting for, to develop connection with the Mental planes(connection to Path, purpose etc.) and then good to go. But that is theoretical for Earth as rarely worked here last few thousand years for anyone. People did not finish here at all, moved to other places to do it, as far as I'm aware. And while now stuff is very different, last 30 years with the Changes, there are other challenges now, as overall people still aren't finishing here with very few exceptions.
  20. Madame Squee

    Deck of the Week Sign-up Thread, Week 359: May 20 - May 26

    Thank you for the thread @fire cat pickles 💐 I'm in with... Tarot of a Moon Garden (Borderless) and Mother Mort's Carnival of Souls Oracle Deck I've been wanting to start exploring Mother Mort's Carnival of Souls, but I'm not ready to leave Tarot of a Moon Garden behind -- so I am choosing both. Here's a quick reading to see how they might work together... My concern is, "What do I need to know right now?" Ace of Pentacles and Bone Fairy: My initial thought is that someone is after my money. After sitting with that feeling for a few minutes, trying to imagine any other interpretation, I checked the Mother Mort's LWB. The Bone Fairy card represents "a hunger for something new or a new adventure in your life", as well as "a cage you wish to escape, such as a bad relationship or a job you hate." Hmm... All of that could apply to my propensity to buy a new deck of cards whenever I'm stressed. Well okay, that's actually a really good reading. I'm getting a ton of insight from it. Here, let me just close down the Amazon tabs I opened this morning. I won't need them now... WAIT ONE MINUTE!!! What's this???? Amazon is suggesting that I might want to preorder "The Jolanda Witch Tarot: The Healing Art of Magic Cards"??!!! Seventy-eight cards and 400-page book in English!!! You better bet your sweet bippy I do!!! So, that was a fabulous reading! Obviously, I'm hungering for something new and need a new adventure in my life. Counting down the days to July 9... PS: In my book, the Ace of Pentacles can always represent a tarot reading, as well as a new job, money, or birth. PPS: At least I can relax now, knowing who's after my money. Lol.
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  22. Misterei

    Hello

    Actually, I almost agree with them. I think we ALL shouldn't be on TT, IG, SC, FB, Discord, Twitch, and the other toxic cesspools and time sinks. Even Reddit is bad. No one dissed me for being old on the r/tarot ... but someone posted that the traditional Empress image as a pregnant woman was "hetero-normative" and should be banned. Seriously? That's what brought me here. To a place where the Empress can be happily pregnant as she has been for 500 years 🤣
  23. 70s_Mimi

    Hi from older newbie

    Thank you! I'll definitely take advantage of the monthly exchanges when the next month starts! I am hoping that with feedback I'll have more faith in my own interpretations.
  24. DanielJUK

    Hi from older newbie

    Welcome to the community @70s_Mimi, glad you have found us here 😀 There are people here of all ages! 🙂 When you get to 5 posts, you can post exchanges and also get reading second opinions and join in our monthly exchange circles where you are paired with another member. For me, the monthly exchanges are the best practice I get. All our reading exchanges here are for feedback to help us improve. The exchange circles open for signing up in the first week of each month. Please join in any discussions you want to 🙂
  25. fire cat pickles

    Deck of the Week Sign-up Thread, Week 359: May 20 - May 26

    Welcome back @Misterei! I will be around as much as time permits this week. I have a lot on my plate. I pulled some cards with no real time to type up a response yet. Welcome back @Rachelcat 🙂 Interesting to shuffle in together two decks. What do you do if you get two of the same cards in one reading?
  26. 70s_Mimi

    Hello

    Thankfully I haven't run into that yet. I seem to get hit on all the time by men in their 20s and early 30s though so maybe I pass the cool test for the "older" young crowd. Little do the younger people know, we made the internet what it is today.
  27. Fallon

    Hello

    there's an online mentality that if you're not in middle and high school or at least frat/sorority age that you aren't cool and are old and shouldn't be online, apparently.
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