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@Misterei I love your daily with the cats and staying indoors. I am a traditionalist when it comes to LN. But there is nothing about timing in the original Lenormand sheet. Therefore I agree with you. Do your thing and just observe if it works out.

@Misterei I learned tarot by reading Eden Gray's books. I could easily read tarot by just going by her guidance and my own tuition. Unpopular, as it may sound, I like the old way of doing things a bit better in many cases. People have had said that my readings are spot on, and that was before any of this sort of tarot analysis became popular. I'm trying to assimilate the new ways of doing things while still holding on to the old ways if that makes any sense. But above all things I need to trust my intuition. Thank you for your post, it shows me that other people are thinking in my line of thought.

The modern psychological approach to Tarot is a double edged sword. It has some value but only a little. Nonsense like this is one of the problems with a psychological approach. Why I prefer the original book by Eden Gray. It was written long before this sort of drivel became popular. Its judgemental for anyone to accuse another person of "playing the victim" unless it's literally a person who fakes a crime and calls the police on the fake crime. Short of that ... I keep my mouth shut about judging others' pain and I avoid uninvited psychologizing. As pop psychology it's become gratuitous. I had a friend recently mention not wanting to hear "people's victim stories" and I knew she meant me. I thought that's YOUR victim story ... you think everyone else's pain is a "story" and you dont want to hear it [never mind how many times I listened to her crying & complaining].

Interesting Thanks for sharing. Yes, I observed it in Tarot over many years. Good to know some LN readers also develop that way. LOL Fox + Stars = timing is off almost applies to some readings I've been getting. I think that one is a hit for me.

I've been reading a lot of newer Tarot books lately. One phrase that bothers me is the insistence that some court cards are said to be playing the victim. We all know people who blame others for everything bad that happens to them. I'm not taking about that. What bothers me is there is no acknowledgement that there are REAL victims. There are people murdered, raped, abused as children, it the consequences of war and can have PTSD due to no fault of their own. The survivors can have such low self-esteem that they believe that somehow they deserve the horrible things that happened to them. That's not going to solve anything. I think there had to be an acknowledgement that not everyone can pull themselves up by the bootstraps--if they can't see past what was done to them the cards can't magically make those horrors go away or break free on their own. Metal health issues can make it impossible to analyze things. That's why some people need mental health treatment, talk therapy and sometimes medications, to stabilize themselves. When they are stable I do think the cards can help. Books and Readers have a responsibility to advise people to get professional help if they can't see clearly.

Most of the time I use a time frame in combination with how fast or slow the cards are. But what you're talking about is something Andy B taught in a course I took years ago. Not as an absolute, but something he'd found over the years. Specifically the same 4 season cards you mentioned. He also had some 2 card combos (in a GT, if I remember correctly) that could indicate a period outside the usual timeframes, like Bear-Tree as within one or 2 decades. Roads-Mountain as delayed for several weeks. Also Fox-Stars as incorrect timing/timing being off. He didn't present it as a list to memorize, but more encouragement to pay attention to outcomes after readings, insights that develop as we go. So pretty much what you were saying.

Yes, it's not the normal question 😉 I understand that people often give a time frame into the question: My outlook for the next 3 weeks? or When will X happen? Will my package arrive on time? BUT I also have some "extra" techniques in Tarot that tell me timing is part of the answer even if it wasn't specific in the question. In Tarot we often use the Aces as seasonal cards. Sometimes seeing an Ace "signals" me that season is a factor to the person's question. Even if they weren't asking about time. It's an intuitive technique ... i.e. I see Ace Cups and intuit it's NOT a new relationship per se ... it's something happening in Fall. Certain cards "signal" me to look at the timing even if it wasn't in the original topic / question. Especially when clients ask for a "general reading". Aces are one group but I have others, too. These cards are "timing flags". They jump out and say: "Read me as the timing!" In LN I've seen it given that Spring: Bouquet / Summer: Sun / Autumn: Scythe / Winter: Lilies [also other cards in other books] So my question is: Do other LN readers have certain cards that are "timing flags" or "signals" that time is a factor even if the question is general / not specifically about timing? Like Sun jumps out and says: read me as SUMMER, even though that isn't the "usual" way to read it.

LOL good point. <<Dailies are difficult, as they are very general. ...>> Yes. I never did daily readings as a Tarot student [sooo many years ago]. I'm still getting a feel for how they work. <<Dailies can sometimes be very basic. Maybe you saw a red cat jumping up a tree gazing at the stars? >> Yes, I've had them be literal. A few days ago ... I spent the day with my cats [fox] indoors b/c we were blocked from going outside [mountain] due to cloudy cold weather [clouds]. Possibly like Tarot ... I may have to assign my own meanings to some cards and 'timing cards'. In tarot I mostly stick to traditional methods ... but i have a few that are mine and work for me. I think LN must be similar.

Not sure I understand your question. Did you ask the cards for a time when something would happen? Or did you ask the cards what will happen within the next two weeks? But I am not using timing yet with LN as I think it is not very accurate. With Lenormand we always use 3 and more cards. So which one is then for the time? All 3? Think it is far too complicated at leas for me. 😅

@Misterei Ok let me split up my answer Which one is the work card is really hard discussed everywhere. In my opinion it is important to stick to one card as your working card. I hear you, but I think we have to forget about our sympathy.... 🤣 Some people like snakes and mice... so then it would become really difficult to read.... Dailies are difficult, as they are very general. If I do dailies, then I still add a question. Like how will my work, meeting, shopping etc. go. If you do a daily I can not see how this would then become a timing card? And timing with Lenormand is difficult, I think one has to charge the cards before. Dailies can sometimes be very basic. Maybe you saw a red cat jumping up a tree gazing at the stars? Fox - Tree - Star 😅

Most LN cards have a timing aspect. Obviously, if my spread is specifically asking for a time frame ... I would go straight to that meaning of the card. BUT ... what if it's less clear? Frex in Tarot if I see an Ace I often take it as a timing message even thought the question didn't specifically relate to timing ... but with 45 years experience ... I have a good intuition about when to do this. How do YOU use LN as timing cards? This has come up with Fox in a spread which didn't really fit the standard meanings ... the 14 days timing meaning might be more pertinent than any of the other meanings ... but this seems a bit sloppy and "making it fit". Or is it bona fide intuition about how to read the card?

This is an interesting take. Meanwhile, I'm struggling with Fox and it's stalking me. It's in every reading for the past few days. One confusion is I first learned it as the Work card. Rana George suggests only to go to the "fraud" meaning if the work meaning doesn't apply. The other books I use give it definitively as a sly, tricky, etc. and say its NOT a work card. *sigh* And then there's foxes themselves. The Fox in the Henhouse. Yes, we people hate that a fox might sneak in and kill our beloved chickens ... but it's just trying to survive. And then there came the whole British foxhunt thing ... which seems brutal and made me sympathetic to the fox! Medically it can be a misdiagnosis or hidden condition. In my daily draw today ... nond of these meanings seemed to apply [except maybe hidden condtion] and I began to wonder if it was a timing card meaning 2 weeks [14 days]. Which is somewhat pertinent to my situation. Which led me to another question about LN in general ... WHICH meaning to pick? How do we know when to take a card simply as a timing card? But I guess this would be a whole other topic.

Daily draw in the morning is a new practice I started to improve my LN skills. Waay beyond needing it for Tarot };> I do 3 cards as a pyramid shape: 1 = Focus or topic for the day 2&3 = insight about #1

🤣 Good one!

I have enjoyed a long successful history of doing paying gigs at festivals and parties. I have a series of 3-Card readings tailored for almost any situation people might wish to address. So maybe you cannot, but I can! These readings typically take 15 minutes and can be quite thorough.

Welcome to the community! I think your possible retirement plan is dreamy. 😍 How fun that would be! Happy reading!

I do three cards, left to right. -1-2-3- 1: Think - What’s my brain doing today? 2: Feel - What are my emotions doing today? 3: Do - What’s my body doing today? That’s usually the best forecast I’ll get all day. 🙂

Hello @Ravenhurst welcome to the TT&M Family Glad you did not yet have to throw your rocks at anyone 🤣

Welcome to the community @Ravenhurst 🙂 Glad you have found us here on your journey

Welcome to the forum and your new blog @niomi if you would like to introduce yourself in the main forum area, you are welcome to start a thread in our introductions section here 🙂

Thanks for posting the PDF! I'm slowly but surely finding more and more opportunities to read for folks, but I spend more time trying to figure out what spread to use for whatever they have going on at the time. lol.

Hi @Ravenhurst. You are such a fun guy. Levity is such a welcome quality. Welcome and enjoy all that this site has to offer. Lots of interesting people and knowledge and wisdom shared.

...and the Mystical Healing lady gave me a bunch of rocks she said will protect me in times of great stress and/or danger. I haven't had to hit anybody with them yet, but I really like the way she thinks. My first deck was The Rider Tarot deck in the OG yellow box from U.S. Games Systems, purchased for $10 or so on an Amazon lightning deal probably 5 or so years ago. That deck was remained in the plastic wrapper until I finally opened it last August. Around that time, I discovered an app called Labyrinthos which provided me with free learning materials and oodles of spread diagrams and the ability to input my physical readings. Fast forward to now and I've got at least one shelf's worth of Tarot-related reading materials and a modest deck collection. I also still use the app on the daily as a journal and guide for my own readings and readings that I do for others. For now, the majority of my readings are done with the RWS system with the occasional Marseilles deck thrown in for funsies. My absolute favorite deck right now is the Mystical Medleys deck, and my current traveling deck is the Rider-Waite Playing Card deck by U.S. Games Systems. I have a couple Oracle decks that I occasionally will use for clarification or what I like to call a "Powerball Draw" for advice regarding whatever we may be mulling over. While cartomancy will always be my first divinatory love, I am also currently practicing dowsing, astrology, meditation, and yoga. Eventually, I'd like to learn about the art of Mediumship. Perhaps when I retire, I'll be a traveling fortune teller at Ren Faires. I think that would be neat.

Is anyone up for studying the Petit Oracle des Dames together?