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aries_dreaming
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I recently had a Lenormand Grand Tableau reading done by a very experienced Lenormand reader about someone who I believe might be my twin flame, or at the very least, someone I have a strong past life connection with. Full disclosure: I am married, so I am not looking for a romantic relationship (of course, not all TF relationships are romantic anyway). But I do want to meet this person and become friends if at all possible because I feel like we have past life history together. Anyway, I do not know how to do GTs nor am I really good at this yet so that's why I went with a more experienced reader.

 

He was great, and everything resonated with me. I was very satisfied with it. However, I was confused about one thing. He said that my possible twin flame and I were connected (?) by the Lily card, and that means we're karmic partners, NOT twin flames. Okay, that's fine, but I've never heard of the Lily card representing karma or karmic partners. I realize this maybe is a different tradition and/or this is his own interpretation so of course it is valid. I am not at all disputing it. I was just wondering if anyone else had run across this meaning anywhere. Or if there's a combination that would show this?

 

Also, while we're on the subject of twin flames, does anyone have an idea of a card or combination of cards that could show this? I was thinking possibly Tree + Moon - Tree for past life, Moon for psychic, something along those lines. Thoughts?

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Hello @aries_dreaming

 

10 hours ago, aries_dreaming said:

He said that my possible twin flame and I were connected (?) by the Lily card, and that means we're karmic partners, NOT twin flames. Okay, that's fine, but I've never heard of the Lily card representing karma or karmic partners.

 

It is somewhat challenging to offer a constructive opinion without access to the cards.

 

For example, connected how?  Was the Lilies chained (between) your significator and this person’s card? Did the Lilies connect the cards (intersection points), et cetera. 

 

In a GT there will be more than one connection between two cards. So it is odd that the Lilies is emphasised. 

 

The traditional significations of the Lilies card is contentment and happiness, family and a man (king of spades).  In the context of karmic relationship, one could (I suppose) progress it to some form of soul “kinship” or having been incarnated as kin in a previous lifetime. 

 

The card I associate with karma is the Tree card. It is our roots. 

 

10 hours ago, aries_dreaming said:

Also, while we're on the subject of twin flames, does anyone have an idea of a card or combination of cards that could show this? I was thinking possibly Tree + Moon - Tree for past life, Moon for psychic, something along those lines. Thoughts?

 

The twin card is the Birds. 

 

The association with psychicism and Moon card in the Lenormand is a modern misconception. The Moon is the card of status and recognition.  The Stars is the card associated with divination, psychicism, &c. 

 

The soul would be the Sun card as it is vital force of life. In astrology, the Sun is the soul and the moon the body. The Petit Lenormand follows the older tradition.

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aries_dreaming
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Thanks for your thoughts, @timtoldrum. I know it's a bit rough to not see the spread. I'm not sure of the ethical considerations of posting another reader's spread, so I'm not going to do that for now. However, I did notice that he did a peculiar thing I hadn't noticed before. He actually used two decks. And he layered them. So each spot in the GT had two-card combos as opposed to one card. I'm still new, so maybe this is a technique that is done. I'm not sure. But it is new to me, anyhow. The Lily card appeared with a card in the 20's in one place - The Garden maybe or Crossroads? I couldn't see the entire thing. That was one spot. I could see a hint of the picture and it could be either of those two I think. But I am not sure that's the connection he was referring to as there would be a second place where the Lily would have shown up.

 

I'll study it more and post again.

 

I can see the kinship angle though. And I myself also see the Tree as karma/past life connection. In fact, in readings with this person and myself, the Tree has shown up and that's how I've read it. As a past life connection. Or "deeply rooted." But not as karmic partners.

 

As for the twin flame thing, that makes sense. The Birds I have heard of being a couple or twins, and the Stars...yes, I can see that. I was even thinking maybe the Book as that can point to esoteric and the occult per Rana George. But not specifically psychic, so I am probably reaching there.

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Hello @aries_dreaming

 

No; I would feel the same in your position re posting. But I did want to stress that the comments made were theoretical and all-things-being-equal. I did not want to appear to be critiquing.

 

55 minutes ago, aries_dreaming said:

However, I did notice that he did a peculiar thing I hadn't noticed before. He actually used two decks. And he layered them. So each spot in the GT had two-card combos as opposed to one card.


It is something I have seen with newer readers.  The one deck acts as houses.  Due to the scarcity of GT material a lot of new readers rely on houses as a primary method. House cards and maps are popular with new readers.
 

57 minutes ago, aries_dreaming said:

The Lily card appeared with a card in the 20's in one place - The Garden maybe or Crossroads? I couldn't see the entire thing. That was one spot. I could see a hint of the picture and it could be either of those two I think. But I am not sure that's the connection he was referring to as there would be a second place where the Lily would have shown up


It is difficult to comment.  For me, I would have looked first for a chain between your card and the other person’s. If none was found I’d look for intersection points. 
 

1 hour ago, aries_dreaming said:

As for the twin flame thing, that makes sense. The Birds I have heard of being a couple or twins, and the Stars...yes, I can see that. I was even thinking maybe the Book as that can point to esoteric and the occult per Rana George. But not specifically psychic, so I am probably reaching there.


Yes. The Birds can be a couple, twins, and so on. Do be aware that not all decks show two birds — there can be several.  
 

The Book is a Grimoire.  In terms of matter of Arte it refers to the study, understanding and access of esoteric and exoteric knowledge.  The Stars are the celestial spheres themselves. 

aries_dreaming
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Thank you, @timtoldrum. I totally didn't think you were critiquing. It's all good. 🙂 

 

Can you explain chains and intersection points a bit more? I am so new to this stuff. I don't quite understand what that means.

 

I've seen decks with more than two birds on them. 🙂 I may actually have some (I have 5, lol. My collection keeps growing lol). And I figured I was reaching with the Book card. But yeah, the Stars would make sense there. 

 

Thanks for your input. It's been very helpful. 

 

 

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Perhaps because the lily has something to do with time and patience, I assume the reader was seeing the lily as someone from a past time. The lily also means sex, so maybe the karma has to do with being curious versus wanton while together in this line, or visa versa. The lily is also an older person, so I'm assuming the reader was seeing time as past life. 

aries_dreaming
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Thank you for your thoughts, @mommyfru. I'm sorry for the delay - I just came back and happened upon this again. I must have missed the notification. 😞 Yes, that makes total sense and gives me another spin on it. Will definitely ponder it more. 🙂 

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In my humble view, one may need to clarify the definitions/meaning of all this. If we dig into regression and how stuff works there, the impression one should get at some point is that there are no "past lifes". Its more like reading a book, can open on different pages, but the person reading is not really limited by the timeline of events in the book. Nor is the book by itself. They can(and do) experience part of it linearly, but even that is not something everyone does.

 

As if we take the idea we can't be connected by "past lifes", as they aren't really "past" in most senses of the word, except in very specific type of question(history etc.) then any card that shows connection would, in theory show that. However, in that type of material its often viewed that there are different types of connections. Soul groups, or "coming from the same soul" or many other stuff... For the cards to have capacity to show all that we have to know how it works, of course.

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On 7/8/2021 at 11:31 PM, aries_dreaming said:

... I do not know how to do GTs nor am I really good at this yet so that's why I went with a more experienced reader.

He was great, and everything resonated with me. I was very satisfied with it. However, I was confused about one thing. He said that my possible twin flame and I were connected (?) by the Lily card, and that means we're karmic partners, NOT twin flames. Okay, that's fine, but I've never heard of the Lily card representing karma or karmic partners. I realize this maybe is a different tradition and/or this is his own interpretation ... wondering if anyone else had run across this meaning anywhere. Or if there's a combination that would show this?

 

Also, while we're on the subject of twin flames, does anyone have an idea of a card or combination of cards that could show this? I was thinking possibly Tree + Moon - Tree for past life, Moon for psychic, something along those lines. Thoughts?

Interesting question about applying Modern Sensibilities to a deck from the 1800s.

 

In 1800s Germany and France, NO ONE was talking about twin flames and karma. So if we moderns wish to engage these concepts---Lillies is a good a card for it. NONE of this is original to the Lillies card, tho.

 

Likewise, MARRIAGE prospects were seen from the favorable position of: Heart, Ring, Anchor. Per above, people in the 1800s used Lenormand to ask about their Marriage Prospects. Not their twin flames nor past life connections.

 

Yes, we can update the cards. In Tarot I often get Magician around internet dating. Even the Hindus now have icons of Ganesha with a laptop 💗. But it can be a slippery slope with Lenormand. LN cards tend to be more practical and less esoteric. If I'm reading on past lives, I go to Tarot. My opinion. ymmv.

 

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