Viuex Monde Grimaud TdM Reproduction?

[HermitWriter]

Hi all!

 

I was wondering if any of you have experience with the facsimile Grimaud TdM from a company called Vieux Monde? I've seen listings for this deck (apparently a copy of a 1930 Grimaud?) on eBay and Amazon, and the company has their own website where they sell it and other decks. AFAIK Grimaud (or whoever owns the name) is still printing cards in France, but I don't know if they ship to the US currently. Is this "vintage facsimile" legit? And is the card quality, image quality, etc. any good? Price seems to range from USD30 to 40, depending on the site. I can post a link if it makes things easier, but I didn't want to drive traffic if it's a questionable company.

 

Thanks in advance for any insights!

[tag Jorrit]

Dunno if it's out of copyright but as I wandered through eBay I saw an original Grimaud TdM deck.

Edited January 21, 2022 by tag Jorrit

[DanielJUK]

I've moved this thread over to the TdM section where it will fit better for discussion 🙂

[katrinka]

The 1977 would get you the real Grimaud stock, but the Vieux Monde would have the old lighter blue.
@tag Jorrit should do a pre-WWII one. At least we'd know what kind of stock we were getting, and we wouldn't be paying for a guidebook that's probably bad.

[Decan]

1 hour ago, HermitWriter said:

AFAIK Grimaud (or whoever owns the name) is still printing cards in France, but I don't know if they ship to the US currently.

Yes Grimaud or France Cartes (it’s the same) is still printing decks but you don’t deal directly with them, but with resellers who ship to the US or not, depending. For Vieux Monde I have no idea, but from France the shipping could be costly. 
I have a Gassman from Tarot Heritage and I know they ship to the US. 

Edited January 21, 2022 by Decan

[katrinka]

Yes, it was Grimaud, and then France Cartes. Apparently Cartamundi bought them out in 2014:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Cartes#History

 

It looks like Cartamundi has also acquired ASS and Königsfurt/Urania:

 

https://cartamundi.com/en/our-brands/

 

But the old Grimaud stock from the 1970's and prior to that, before all this corporate BS, was heavenly. They use much thinner, more plastified stock now. It's passable, but the old stock feels like decks ought to feel.

As for copyright, I'm too lazy at the moment to research French copyright law. But I'm guessing the old Marteau pattern is public domain now, especially with the light blue. But I'd still suggest checking before selling copies.

[Decan]

Yes, always a good thing to check of course!
 

Otherwise most of the time when I’m unsure about a deck I want to order (the card stock or more) I search reviews of a particular deck on YouTube.

Edited January 22, 2022 by Decan

[Decan]

7 hours ago, katrinka said:

Yes, it was Grimaud, and then France Cartes. Apparently Cartamundi bought them out in 2014:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Cartes#History

 

It looks like Cartamundi has also acquired ASS and Königsfurt/Urania:

 

https://cartamundi.com/en/our-brands/

 

But the old Grimaud stock from the 1970's and prior to that, before all this corporate BS, was heavenly. They use much thinner, more plastified stock now. It's passable, but the old stock feels like decks ought to feel.

Yes indeed, and I don't know how they organise themselves with the printers and in which countries now.

For the moment I haven't read anything negative about Grimaud-France Cartes, but of course things change and there are economic reasons (the most expensive at the best cost, to summarize), so you have to be vigilant.

Anyway for this publisher, things look still good (but otherwise it seems that they don't reprint anymore some older decks, maybe there were choices -at a highest level- from the Group if now it's Cartamundi!).

 

EDIT: Here on Amazon the reviews look encouraging for Vieux Monde (anyway from the pics I'm wondering if it is coated enough? and the back looks uninspiring TBH, the same by Grimaud looks better): https://www.amazon.com/Vieux-Monde-Express-Marseille-Facsimile/dp/B0992QQPML?ref_=ast_sto_dp

 

Anyway, here on Amazon.fr and they ship to the US: https://www.amazon.fr/Grimaud-Marseille-Version-Française-Cartomancie/dp/B00005QQZN/ref=sr_1_5?crid=23B7QVIBWEZAJ

Edited January 22, 2022 by Decan

[HermitWriter]

Thank you all for the replies! I was curious about this Viuex Monde deck because the 1930 Grimaud is something of a "unicorn" deck for most people, and a (kind of) affordable version would be cool to have. I've actually got a vintage Grimaud with Spanish and German titles, and it is one of my favorite decks. It'd be nice to have one in French as well, especially since it'd be more replaceable, but since it's anyone's guess as to when reading in public will feel safe again, that's been on the back burner. Still, thank you @Decan and @tag Jorrit for the links! And thank you @katrinka for the info on who owns whom. I think that means the printers of the Grimaud and the 1JJ Swiss are now under the same umbrella.

[tag Jorrit]

18 hours ago, katrinka said:

The 1977 would get you the real Grimaud stock, but the Vieux Monde would have the old lighter blue.
@tag Jorrit should do a pre-WWII one. At least we'd know what kind of stock we were getting, and we wouldn't be paying for a guidebook that's probably bad.

Actually I have already done one. Sort of. It's called the Conver which Marteau redrew; sort of like the modern re-drawn versions of the  Dodal, Noblet, etc.

[katrinka]

36 minutes ago, tag Jorrit said:

Actually I have already done one. Sort of. It's called the Conver which Marteau redrew; sort of like the modern re-drawn versions of the  Dodal, Noblet, etc.

Taken from a Marteau published between 1930 and WWII? How long was it available? I don't recall seeing it. 😞

[gregory]

https://thecartomancer.bigcartel.com/product/nicholas-conver-tarot-c-1760

[katrinka]

Yes. The 1760 is probably what Tag was referring to, but it's not the same thing.