Sources for decks?

[Agnes]

I'm interested in learning to read Kipper cards.  I've bought Musruck's cards and book -- I understand it's very basic but I prefer a book in hand to online lists.  I'm enjoying exploring them but it's clear to me that this set is not really what I want.

 

I've got Puhle's book on order.  Generally I like to read as much as possible about a topic and sort out what seems useful and reliable.  I may move to German sources & google translate but not yet.

 

I'm interested in finding a deck with more traditional images; I gather that Musruck simplified them.  But the decks that are readily available in the US are not doing much for me.  I see Fin de Siecle Kipper, Mystical Kipper, and Rainbow Kipper, and I'm just not loving them.  Really I just want the Original Kipperkarten deck.  Do y'all know of sources in the United States?

 

Thanks for any pointers.

[Wyrdkiss]

Have you tried Etsy?

[DanielJUK]

From @katrinka's Kipper Primer blog post from the past....

 

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As always, use a traditional deck for learning. The choices are easy, since as of this writing there are only five major ones – and that is enough. The most traditional are the Original Kipperkarten (shown here, published by ASS) and the Salish Kipper

 

The other 3 in the blog post have various changes.

 

Sadly these 2 decks seem to be out of print, the original one used to be on Amazon but now harder to get. I think that is the reason the Rainbow, Mystical and Fin de Siecle are on all the shops, they are still in print. The more traditional decks are hard to get and the English world doesn't really have the Kipper interest of the German world. That is why really Toni Puhle's book is one of the few English books. It's always been a problem for me getting Kippers or finding English resources on them.

 

Like @Wyrdkiss suggested, Etsy. Also Ebay and Abebooks, look up those Kipper decks, you might find a few left for sale but they are mostly out of print now 😞

[Agnes]

I've tried Etsy and Ebay and not had any luck.  I think perhaps I found a set -- just ordered this from a half price books in Texas.  It could turn out to be the book only despite the listing title: Wahrsagen mit den Kipperkarten. Buch und 36 Karten.
Vogel, Christine.  So keep your fingers crossed for me! 

 

Am I correct in thinking that the Musruck deck follows the traditional structure?

[RunningWild]

On 8/9/2022 at 10:33 AM, Agnes said:

Am I correct in thinking that the Musruck deck follows the traditional structure?

Probably, but @katrinka would know best.  She also has a blog listed with her info where she sometimes talks about the kipper cards.  She does still read the forum from time to time.

 

I was also looking for a more traditional kipper deck a while ago and couldn't find anything.  I went to amazon.de (Amazon's German site) and only saw one deck but it wasn't exactly what I was looking for.  There weren't any sample images at the time to look at to be certain.

 

Good luck!

[Agnes]

Thank you. Can you tell me how to find Katrinka’s  blog? I am new to the forum and can’t seem to find individual profiles etc. 

[DanielJUK]

Hi, If you look on my post above, the word post links to her Kipper section.

 

About people selling decks on sites and book sites, sometimes they use the word books for the deck. It's worth contacting / messaging them to ask "is this a deck of cards?"  Often it is. They don't always know how to handle decks in the description to sell them 😀🤦‍♂️

 

 

 

 

[SlightlyMagic]

I didn't think Fin de Siecle Kipper was for me until I got my hands on a deck and used them. Curiously my girlfriend who owns them thought the same thing initially but she's been using them regularly for a year or so and I'll reach for them once in a while.  If you can source a cheapish deck it may be worth taking a punt as for some reason and based on my in-depth study of two people it seems they don't sit right on a screen.

[Jones Davy]

Frustratingly, the Original Kipper by ASS is sold-out everywhere. I emailed them last week to ask it was going to be reprinted and it's due to come into stock shortly. 

 

I really enjoy the fin de siecle kipper and the rainbow kipper. 

[LadyBug_1216]

I found the Original Kipper by ASS on Book Depository, and ordered it in February. I have not received it yet, but recently got notice that it's finally been shipped. 

I am in the US, and it is the German version. I also managed to pick up a copy of the Rainbow Kipper on Amazon, so I have something to study for now.

 

I know I am late to the conversation, but maybe this will help someone who is still looking for the Original Kipper Wahrsagekarten

 

 

 

[MlleTemperance]

If this is of any help, since the original Kipper cards are so hard to find, I found the cards online one by one, printed them on cardstock and laminated them so I can use this homemade deck until I find/pay for an actual one. There may be some author's rights issues with this doing but since the available decks weren't appealing to me (simplified imagery, modified titles/meanings, switched directions), this was the only way I could get contented. I would be happy to share the file is anyone is interested (please do tell me if this is forbidden, I am not trying to sell anything but I can understand the frustration of not being able to get your hands on anything that fits the intention).

[Mystic_Owl]

I started with the Fin de Siecle kipper deck but wanted a more original/traditional deck and bought this one off Amazon and it came directly from Germany.  Took a few weeks, but I'm happy with it and works well with Toni Puhle's book, more so than the Fin de Siecle.  

https://www.amazon.com/dp/3038191175

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 5, 2025 by Mystic_Owl

[MlleTemperance]

Thanks! I must admit I'm trying not to buy off Amazon recently (the company closed all their warehouses in the province of Quebec, leaving a lot of people without a job + commercial politics between the US and Canada aren't at their best right now) but I will be thinking about it.

[DanielJUK]

4 hours ago, MlleTemperance said:

If this is of any help, since the original Kipper cards are so hard to find, I found the cards online one by one, printed them on cardstock and laminated them so I can use this homemade deck until I find/pay for an actual one. There may be some author's rights issues with this doing but since the available decks weren't appealing to me (simplified imagery, modified titles/meanings, switched directions), this was the only way I could get contented. I would be happy to share the file is anyone is interested (please do tell me if this is forbidden, I am not trying to sell anything but I can understand the frustration of not being able to get your hands on anything that fits the intention).

 

Please just check anything is public domain, we can't share anything under copyright, apart from a few cards or a quote or two because it could get us in trouble. We have to obey copyright in what we share 🙂 

[MlleTemperance]

Of course ! I totally undestand this, thanks! 🙂 I really hope this deck gets reprinted someday.

[Rose Lalonde]

I know next to nothing about Kipper, but I noticed someone on MPC is selling the original Kipper from the late 1800s. It's one of MPC's featured designs this week.

https://www.makeplayingcards.com/sell/1890s-kipper-original

If MPC let it get through when it shouldn't be there, I can remove this link. 

Edited March 7, 2025 by Rose Lalonde

[MlleTemperance]

13 minutes ago, Rose Lalonde said:

someone on MPC is selling the original Kipper from the late 1800s

 

The deck is way cheaper on Amazon though 😬🫣 I paid something like 25$ for the deck + 7$ for shipping. On MPC, the deck is 53$ and shipping starts at 15$ for me (I'm in Canada). Delivery time is 3-4 weeks either way.

[Rose Lalonde]

Ah, sorry, @MlleTemperance I thought it was the one you said was hard to find. My bad. 🙃 

That's what I get for jumping into a thread featuring a deck I know next to nothing about. 😅

Edited March 7, 2025 by Rose Lalonde

[MlleTemperance]

You are absolutely right, I had a hard time finding it for quite some time! But I checked the Amazon link @Mystic_Owl suggested and couldn't resist. I felt a little bad for buying it off Amazon but... the unbeatable price got me 😅 thank you for your help still @Rose Lalonde ! 🙂

Edited March 7, 2025 by MlleTemperance

[LadyBug_1216]

I have bought kipper cards from the Etsy site, the shop name is Aquarius Wellbeing.

 

She is based in Australia, and is a wonderful person. She has many Lenormand Decks, but also Kipper. I got the deck with meanings on the cards.

If you prefer, you can contact her through Face Book. Her name is Lynn Boyle. 

Check her out. I have bought decks from her, the cards are standard card stock, and she's got a huge selection. She designs them herself.

Hope this helps.

[katrinka]

For a good while you couldn't find a copy anywhere. Not amazon, not the german online shops, zero, zip, zilch, nada.
I already had my old trimmed deck plus a backup copy, but I had a lot of people ask me so I did everything I could to find them a copy and I couldn't. It seemed to be temporarily OOP, since I see it's back on amazon now.

I don't know the copyright status and I know nothing of german copyright law. It's certainly old enough that it might be Public Domain. And the one available at MPC has flipped images. Originally, the cards faced the opposite direction from what they do now. The deck was transposed in 1920 except card #22 Militär Person. It's immaterial to reading anyway. A new deck will work, an antique deck will work, a Fin de Siécle will work. Just go by what's on the table.

The MPC deck isn't really a "restored 1890's version." Besides the flipped directions, the colors were murkier originally, kind of overcast/stormy looking. And the people had relaxed expressions - the version we have now has been brightened up and the people have little smiles, like what Ben Dov did with the people in the TdM. Susanne Zitzl used to have a site with historical images, but alas, she took it down. IIRC, Toni has a collection of old decks. There may still be images at her site. Me, I don't care about the directions, I work with what's on the table. And I've worked in retail hell and loathed being told to smile all the time by creepy male customers. UGH! Smiles should be real, not forced.

I would LOVE a real reproduction of the stormy looking, unsmiling originals. But a lot of english speaking people bought into the overemphasis on facing directions and I'm sure they'd love the MPC deck.

Still, staff tends to err on the side of caution. I'm guessing they'll play it safe and remove the link.

Edited March 7, 2025 by katrinka

[katrinka]

8 minutes ago, LadyBug_1216 said:

Her name is Lynn Boyle.

I know her. She makes a LOT of decks.
Sometimes they're not well thought-out. At one time she was selling an Australian themed Lenormand. She used a dingo for the Fox card. The problem is, dingos are dogs. Behaviorally, genetically, and appearance-wise they have little in common with foxes. And the deck already had a Dog card.