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This thread is intended to be an EXCELLENT collaborative discussion based on mutual admiration of the Thoth Tarot!

 

Symbology, structure, artwork, Crowley’s writings, other miscellaneous occult understandings of the cards… anything is fair game. The excellence of this thread is in its freedom and its fun.

 

I am excited to talk Thoth with you, @Wyrdkiss! Any burning desires for first discussions? I have a few topics up my sleeve.

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Thank you and welcome @vulprix. There's so many options, I'm awash in Libra indecision. Our prior court card discussion was fascinating, but let's hear what is up your sleeve for sure.

 

Indecision circumvented -- see below please!

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OK, I've had an opportunity to ponder.  Perhaps let's start by exploring the four suites, beginning with the unique structure of the Thoth court cards.  There is immense analogy and self-reflection potential in these 16 characters; I hope others become inspired to read and participate.  We can pepper the writing between Lady Frieda Harris and Crowley for discussion as well! Their letter exchanges were fascinating. 

 

For those new to the Thoth, the court card comparison to the Rider-Waite-Smith is as follows:

 

THOTH:              RWS

Knight                King

Queen               Queen

Prince                Knight

Princess             Page

 

There's a lot more to these changes, so much more, and I believe Vulprix will give us the break-down in digestible bits and bites over time.

 

How about we start at the bottom, going up? You asked some time ago about my take on the Princess of Cups.   I'll share my thoughts on her soon in a new post. Cheers and welcome to all who stop in -- and thank you for the exchange of ideas and experience around my touchstone, my most favorite deck @vulprix!  

 

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Princess of Cups

As I stated in another thread, I am fond of this state of personality, these seemingly  faerie-kissed and dreamlike, charming individuals who appear to move between the mundane realm and something beautiful beyond on a nearly clockwork basis.  These types are  highly appealing, at least until it is time to remember something important around the home, or follow through on an impacting promise.  Regardless, they often work hard behind the scenes, and make incredibly good supportive partners overall.

 

According to Crowley she represents the " faculty of Crystallization -- the power of water to give Substance to Idea, to support Life."

 

What I love about this card art is the fact that water is so active yet poised in this image. Graceful, moving and vast, and possibly a bit elusive -- if only in

her sheer beauty and the challenging concept of earning it.

 

Song for this Card:  

I wanna be adored ( a cover of the Stone Roses classic)

 

 

What are your thoughts on the Princess of Cups @vulprix?

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I am glad you are bringing back the Princess of Cups to help usher this thread to life, @Wyrdkiss.  😄 The Empress of Nymphs, Empress of Undines. The Lotus of the Palace of the Floods!

 

I love the latter title’s implication of the power of the floods, and a worlds where such catastrophic levels of undulating power happen—and then you have the Lotus there, a demure yet strong and reliable flower blossoming in the chaos. Earth of Water, arising out of the mud! So pretty! And so fitting. 
 

Something that I love about this card is her tortoise—the one who is said to carry the world on their back!! Crowley’s explanation of her power as an unparalleled helpmate and support really fits her tortoise. (And, I mean, she’s supporting the tortoise herself! The ultimate support.)

 

What is she standing on, do you know? It almost looks like she is on the edge of a mussel’s shell.

 

The greens and blues of this card are really striking, as well as the water crystals on her scallopy dress and throughout.

 

I feel like there’s more to talk about regarding this Princess, but these are the things I wanted to bring up in response to your post 😄 

 

(also, I LOVE the Ravenonettes! Their music is dead sexy. Great choice of song for this court card. I feel a tradition starting up.)

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Well said @vulprix and the songs will continue.

My Thoth daily draw: The 7 of Swords.

I rescind this quote. It really is not accurate upon contemplating the meaning of this card.

Extrapolation below.

Relevant quote:

"Just as the dog loves to chew bones, the human mind loves its problems"

-Eckhart Tolle.

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On 8/12/2022 at 12:39 PM, vulprix said:


 

Something that I love about this card is her tortoise—the one who is said to carry the world on their back!! Crowley’s explanation of her power as an unparalleled helpmate and support really fits her tortoise. (And, I mean, she’s supporting the tortoise herself! The ultimate support.)

 

What is she standing on, do you know? It almost looks like she is on the edge of a mussel’s shell.

 

Thank you for pointing out the support of the tortoise! I've never quite contemplated the importance of her uplifting the hard, sturdy, patient and persistent friend. The ultimate support indeed.

 

I like your thinking regarding what she is standing on.  It will forever be a mystery, as much of this deck can feel like.

My biggest retrospective wish? Crowley and Lady Harris had published a book entirely composed of their amazing  written correspondence...

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Back to the 7 of Swords -- a pull today for discussion.

Crowley speaks about the analogy of a tired boxer coming back into the ring.  Rarely they land a lucky hard knock-out . Often, however, they falter and fall defeated.

 

This is a passive sign, a planetary battle with little energy for the subject.  When incapable of sustained focus or labor, endeavors dwindle and fail.

 

Vacillation, hesitation, compromise not reciprocated.  Not following through when victory was one stroke of pen or sword away.

7 is not as bad as the 5 of this suite, but it is not a card to take lightly either.

 

I love the soft colors here -- very "air" and the numerous blades against the main upright weapon suggest the number of obstacles at work for the individual involved.  

The background is fragmented. In terms of a mirror, the viewer is denied the integrity of their reflection. 

 

 

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