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AlbaTross

As someone who leans heavily towards the secular end of things, this isn't news to me.  However, it was still a good read.  On a side note, I'm kind of curious which deck that is in the image under Tarot Card Philosophy.  

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No idea what deck it is, I can't recall ever seeing it before. That would be a question for @gregory, I think. 😉

I lean secular, too, but I thought the article was horribly ill-informed. These bits in particular:

"Asking how you could encourage your mother-in-law to move out, as opposed to asking how you can get along better with her, is narrowing the scope of the true question by answering it before you even get started."
 

At this point they're probably not interested in "getting along better." They want that woman OUT, and they want to know how to accomplish this. That IS the "true question", period. 

 

"But do not go so far as to ask how you can coordinate baseball, soccer and Cub Scout schedules and still have family time - that's too detailed."

 

It's obviously too detailed for Joan Bunning, but a competent reader could do it. I'd suggest several small spreads.

"Focus on yourself...For example, asking why your teenager is experimenting with drugs is focusing on them, not you. Asking what role you play in your teen's decision to experiment with drugs brings the question back to you."

That sounds totally useless. Especially if the parent plays no role whatsoever in that decision. Kids have minds of their own. 

 

The article goes on to post a now-dead link (these organizations are fly-by-night) to a place that sells Tarot certifications. 
Here is something I posted at my blog in 2013:
 

It doesn’t take much googling to find tons of scandals and pyramid schemes attached to the Tarot certification racket.:
Certified Apprentice Tarot Reader Examination (CATR)© 50.00
Certified Tarot Reader Examination (CTR)© 50.00
Certified Professional Tarot Reader Examination (CPTR)© 50.00
Certified Tarot Consultant Examination (CTC)© 75.00
Certified Tarot Master Examination (CTM)© 75.00
Certified Tarot Instructor Examination (CTI)© 75.00
Certified Tarot GrandMaster Examination (CTGM)©100.00
At one point, you have to verify that you’ve qualified students for at least 25 certification ranks. Which is a minimum of $50 per rank.

 

Beyond that there was the usual parroting of Jung, who never explains how synchronicity works - I don't think he knew. 
Yes, synchronicity exists, but that doesn't answer the question. And we don't know that it's on tap every time we pull cards, either. It doesn't happen 24/7 in other areas of life, so I suspect cards are no different. 

The article was a roundabout - and dishonest! - way of saying what a lot of us have been saying here: nobody knows.

 

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1 hour ago, katrinka said:

No idea what deck it is, I can't recall ever seeing it before. That would be a question for @gregory, I think. 😉

I lean secular, too, but I thought the article was horribly ill-informed. These bits in particular:

"Asking how you could encourage your mother-in-law to move out, as opposed to asking how you can get along better with her, is narrowing the scope of the true question by answering it before you even get started."
 

At this point they're probably not interested in "getting along better." They want that woman OUT, and they want to know how to accomplish this. That IS the "true question", period. 

 

"But do not go so far as to ask how you can coordinate baseball, soccer and Cub Scout schedules and still have family time - that's too detailed."

 

It's obviously too detailed for Joan Bunning, but a competent reader could do it. I'd suggest several small spreads.

"Focus on yourself...For example, asking why your teenager is experimenting with drugs is focusing on them, not you. Asking what role you play in your teen's decision to experiment with drugs brings the question back to you."

That sounds totally useless. Especially if the parent plays no role whatsoever in that decision. Kids have minds of their own. 

 

The article goes on to post a now-dead link (these organizations are fly-by-night) to a place that sells Tarot certifications. 
Here is something I posted at my blog in 2013:
 

It doesn’t take much googling to find tons of scandals and pyramid schemes attached to the Tarot certification racket.:
Certified Apprentice Tarot Reader Examination (CATR)© 50.00
Certified Tarot Reader Examination (CTR)© 50.00
Certified Professional Tarot Reader Examination (CPTR)© 50.00
Certified Tarot Consultant Examination (CTC)© 75.00
Certified Tarot Master Examination (CTM)© 75.00
Certified Tarot Instructor Examination (CTI)© 75.00
Certified Tarot GrandMaster Examination (CTGM)©100.00
At one point, you have to verify that you’ve qualified students for at least 25 certification ranks. Which is a minimum of $50 per rank.

 

Beyond that there was the usual parroting of Jung, who never explains how synchronicity works - I don't think he knew. 
Yes, synchronicity exists, but that doesn't answer the question. And we don't know that it's on tap every time we pull cards, either. It doesn't happen 24/7 in other areas of life, so I suspect cards are no different. 

The article was a roundabout - and dishonest! - way of saying what a lot of us have been saying here: nobody knows.

 

You clearly have a lot more experience with the Tarot in general, so thanks for your in-depth response.  It's always good to see different views on something instead of just accepting everything I read at face value.  I can't say I've developed strong enough feelings about this yet, but I'm definitely open to hearing about the different schools of thought.  I don't think I lean heavily into the Jungian type stuff, but I am intrigued by it nonetheless.  

 

I suppose I'll have to ask gregory about that deck then.  I don't think I need another RWS clone deck, but I am intrigued by the art of that one.  

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10 hours ago, AlbaTross said:

On a side note, I'm kind of curious which deck that is in the image under Tarot Card Philosophy.  

 

This one, gregs.

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8 hours ago, katrinka said:

 

This one, gregs.

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Oh, thanks for posting the image.  Yes, that's the one.

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Re: how does the mind stack the cards, discussion/Brandywine's theory.

 

If we accept that there is an environment where syncronicity can exist, then in a way, doesn't the mind already know what's in the reading - the object and the image simply coming together at a particular point and time? The reading just reflects what is, like a mirror.  Maybe?

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Thank you for sharing the article! It's nice to know there are journalists who want to ask genuine questions about why people practice tarot.
I've seen many articles that mock tarot or other forms of divination, especially due to scammers being associated with us, so the writer never even formulates the question, "How does it work?" Just "Does this woo woo stuff work?" Like as if it's black and white.
So I consider myself a Jungian influenced reader, so I think as I read, I'm connecting to the inner parts of my psyche. I also believe each of us is a microcosm of the universe and that we each get a slice of truth about our reality. We're able to tap into that inner knowing with these cards.
As some mentioned before, it's not just the tarot cards that make it magical. It's us coming together that makes it work.
The cards are the stimuli, which have been well constructed to reflect core aspects of reality, and we are the reservoirs that they infuse into. We then see what possible patterns could be emerging through the cards.

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Nice to see Barleywine sharing his experience and wisdom like he did on AT, his replies have helped me out on a number of occasions. Since I probably didn't say it then . . . THANK YOU BARLEYWINE !

We should all remember that we build our community by sharing experience and wisdom, now onto the topic at hand . . .

This thread is timely for me as I have wondered lately how virtual / phone readings can work . . .

During my pondering I seemed to remember mention of the cosmic consciousness and talk that much of things psychic and miraculous can be explained by quantum physics & entanglement . (Interesting how the atheists and cynics are using a scientific theory to explain what they repeatedly call superstition . . .)

What I know is for me normal readings work.

What comes up is so specific to me and the situation.

Many people speak about destiny and paths in life. Maybe down deep being "religious" and not purely secular I see Tarot / divination as a way we can tune into the vibrations of the cosmic plan - maybe that explains distant readings too? 🤨 🤔

 

I dabbled with Tarot owning a RW deck in my youth . . . didn't work. I think I was neither mature enough or secure in my spirituality for it to stay in my life. Fast forward to 7 or so years ago, living with grief & depression and being in a tumultuous time. Around that time I tried a few of the virtual readings through a couple sites - they resonated and were spot on. Around that time I was also very interested in the psychic fairs. My big sister's advice at the time was to see a psychic - this from a religious woman involved in our church and even in its council. I decided to get a Tarot deck and found the Alchemy deck on eBay - it struck a chord and now is like an long term very good friend. It will tell me what I need to here without sugar coating like a best friend can only do. A visit to that psychic was pivotal for me connecting me to those I have lost and revealing things I needed to know. Shortly after joined AT where I learned much more and was introduced to the need for & practicality of having multiple decks / a deck collection.

 

So often we grope for explanations to things we don't understand and maybe never will. Think about how science gropes with how gravity works (beyond the fact things knocked off a table fall to the floor). I remember a friend who years ago showed me a book that showed that God could be proved mathematically (?!?!) (Faith works for me 🙂 ) I often wonder why we need to know how it works when simply put IT WORKS. 

Everyone needs to follow the path that works and provides clarity for them, thought I would share my thoughts & experiences.

 

Jim

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2 hours ago, nord_drache said:

This thread is timely for me as I have wondered lately how virtual / phone readings can work . . .



I would never be able to explain the "how".   Back when I used to do it, it honestly wasn't different in terms of rapport with querents on the phone than it was reading at a street fair or a school lunch room 🙂    The querents talked, I asked questions while shuffling the cards to ensure we were on the same page and established the specific question they wanted to start with.  I laid the cards down and described what I saw, what it symbolized broadly and in context of their question and situation, listened to their response.

For me, reader-querent rapport was not essential but it sure improved the quality of the reading.  And there are people I know "too well" and I'm too opinionated about for me to think I could give them the kind of objective and accurate reading of even if we can sit over hot beverages and geeks for hours.   There are people I've felt rapport with after exchanging 4-5 sentences in a grocery store or the first minute of a phone call.  There are others where its a struggle to talk to them at all because we have none, no matter how often our paths cross and I can't pinpoint what qualities or traits cause or impair rapport.   Except one.

 

 Sincerity  is one of the big traits that enables me to have rapport and do really good readings for people by phone.  They can be mad/glad/sad/drunk and anywhere on the mental health and wellness spectrum, but if they start talking sincerely about how they feel and the details of their situation,  I can get very precise in my details and what I have to say they say is "spot-on" and helpful.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, nord_drache said:

I would just wonder if the distance would create a disconnect between reader and querent.


Not at all.
Not only do phone and email readings work, readings on world affairs work.
We certainly didn't have Biden or Trump on the phone when reading on the last election, yet a lot of us correctly predicted the outcome.

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True. I did an experiment where I "read" one of the leaders. I don't follow polls or anything like that.

All I know is that things said he was currently satisfied but in for disappointment . . .

and what do you know the conservatives lost . . .

 

Truth be told when I finished I knew I was right.

Still a little thrown off . . .

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