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Saturn Celeste

There has been some discussion about being addicted to buying tarot cards.  This can also include over-reading of tarot cards or any of the negative habits that come from too much tarot.  This is not a thread for seeking help.  If you have an actual addiction physically or mentally regarding the tarot, please, seek a proper health provider.  If you would like to discuss getting out of tarot reading or selling or any other aspects, feel free to post on this thread.  You are not alone!  Many tarot readers and collectors have felt they need to be talked down from their habits and we can do that because so many of us have experienced the same thing you are going through.  Please treat this thread seriously but most of all, be honest and share your own experiences to help others.

 

I have been provided with the original thread from AT. 

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=164150

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DownUnderNZer

 

Where do I begin?

 

Life use to be so simple with just one playinng card deck and the Blue Owl Lenormand and then like a seductress or wooer AT happened into my life slowly but surely....

 

From two measerly decks it went up and up bit by bit and not straight away.  From all over the world these wonderful decks would come into my home from all kinds of backgrounds. Like Tarot members needing money for vet bills, some wanting to lighten the load, and some that just did not want them anymore. Go figure!

 

My addiction grew more and more.

 

I wanted the art or the vibrant colors - this and that. And not many, if any, ever disappointed I might add.

 

I now have a decent amount of decks that range from fair prices to on the expensive side and only a few ever see the light of day.

 

I will remember this thread for the next time I have the whim to buy something I probably do not need.

 

Thanks for letting me get it out. AT is to blame for my Tarot, Oracle and Lenormand addiction.

 

DND  X/

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odd_soul

I'd like to share some of the ways I deal with the urge to buy new decks. Hopefully this will help others, too!

 

I already have over 20 decks, including ones I've pre-ordered, so now, when I'm considering making a purchase, I need to make sure it's going to be a deck I use—not just one whose art is pretty. When I want to buy a new deck, I always feel this sense of urgency: "Omg I need it NOW!!!!!" So I always need to force myself to calm and look at it rationally.

 

That's why I've developed the following list of steps I must complete before I'm allowed to buy it:

  • Find as many images of the deck as possible. If there's a walkthrough of it on YouTube, watch all of it, possibly multiple times, to make sure I like all of the cards and the general feel of the deck.
  • Come up with the reasons I want it and am attracted to it. Is it the art? Is there one particular card I'm really attracted to? Is it because it's popular and photogenic? Does it have a theme I like? I have to be really honest with myself here.
  • Come up with the reasons to NOT get it. Are there any cards that really turn me off? Will I like the card stock? Do I like the font? Is it a collaborative deck? Is it huge and going to be annoying to shuffle? Is it based on a different system than I read? Is it so close to the RWS system that it doesn't bring enough new energy to my deck collection? Is it similar to something I already have? Do I really want it or am I just jumping on the community bandwagon? Again, the key is to be really honest with myself.

 

I like the RWS system, so if the deck is based on Thoth or TdM, that gives me pause. That said, I already have a lot of RWS-based decks, including a couple clones, and if they're too "clone-y" then I really don't need to buy them. I tend to look for things that bring something different to the table, while still being strongly based on the RWS system so that the "price of entry" of using it, so to speak, isn't too high. If I have to learn a whole new system of reading in order to use the deck, it's probably not going to be a great match and won't get a lot of use. The newness and excitement of it will wear off before I get a chance to learn how to use it, which can reduce the chances that I'll make a very good, strong connection to it.

 

I keep a list of the decks I'm interested in in a Google Sheets spreadsheet. After taking into consideration the reasons I want it and the reasons I don't want it, I rate its priority, or I tell myself, "Don't buy it." Even if I decide not to buy it, though, I keep it in the spreadsheet, along with the pros and cons of it, so that if I find myself wanting it again, I can remind myself why I made the decision I did.

 

My biggest weakness is Kickstarter campaigns. I always get excited about those when the art is gorgeous, and there's usually not enough information for me to go through all of my evaluative steps, so they kind of exists "outside of the system". But at least they generally last for a month, so I usually have time to decide whether or not it's really for me. :)

 

I also have a fountain pen hobby, and those are WAY more expensive than tarot decks, so I really had to figure out a way to limit those purchases. It wasn't until my other two fountain pen friends decided on a buying ban (and stuck to it) that I was able to also take a step back. Before that, we were constantly enabling each other! And now, when one of them gets something, I can be excited for them without feeling the need to chase their excitement with a purchase of my own.

 

Also, in the past, it really helped to distance myself from reviews and social media posts. There's always the fear of missing out on something really special, so that can be really hard, but it does help a lot! And it doesn't have to be forever. I've found that taking a break for a couple weeks to a month is usually enough to help me put some distance between myself and the consumerism.

 

Even with all of this, it's still hard to resist! So I'm really glad this thread exists, because I'm sure I'll still need help saying no to myself!

 

 

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Page of Ghosts

That is some good advice odd_soul!

 

I try to really think hard about a deck before I buy one and not be impulsive, but I have slipped a few times when suddenly something I thought was OOP suddenly was available again. Decks like that has been on my wishlist for a long time so I've told myself I have indeed considered this for a long time... but really, I was mostly disappointed when I found out it was unavailable, kind of forgot about it and then I got so pumped up when I could get it after all! So in the end it was all just an excuse, if I'm being honest about it :-[ Right now I'm more about donating decks and not buying new ones and a lot of what you said for the new decks ring very true for me. I've come to realise I don't really want to learn any new systems so those that have their own thing going on and not RWS get the boot. I care about systems so it's a bit of an effort to learn a new one! I'd much rather add more to my RWS-repertoire.

 

Also I managed to de-enable myself from getting the Mesquite Tarot and the Prisma Visions recently. I already own the Wild Unknown which is a very minimal aesthetic deck that I don't use enough, and several of my decks have that cute pastel palette going on, so I should pay more attention to those. As for the Prisma Visions... it's cute, but I already have two indie decks I want to get to know more, and for October and possibly November I want to use two of my decks that are appropriate for the season. I'm busy enough as it is!

 

*I hope the mentioning of deck names will not light someone elses fire!

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Arch

Stumbled over the previous topic that led up to this and was eventually led onto here.

I'm not one of those that struggle with tarot-cards in particular, only own one deck beyond RWS.

But, I noticed the tempting nature of the whole tarot thing when getting that one.

Sat hours upon hours browsing decks and sat with my finger over the order button on amazon a lot.

 

The only thing that saved me in the end I'm sure,

is that I know a thing or two about addiction and psychologic health,

so I will insert my two cents on the topic and hopefully it will help someone somewhere.

 

Whenever one is engaging in addictive behaviour, one is distracting oneself from something else.

Something that brings up feelings of anxiety that one just wants to get away from.

This is a thorny issue, since the feelings to evoke an addiction must be fairly intense.

And to just stop the addictive behaviour is no solution in and off itself,

as the addiction is purely a symptom of something deeper.

And that something is what needs fixing,

cause without it the addiction would have no fuel and would die out of itself.

Not that it has to go away completely, but it would at least fade to the level of a hobby.

 

So what is this deeper issue?

It could be many things...

-General stress

-Major conflicts in ones life

-Financial difficulties

-Poor health

-Heartbreak

-Joblessness

 

to name some obvious general themes.

 

Yet it isn't the outside situations themself that is the problem, it is the way they impact the person in question.

As the saying goes, "One mans hell is another mans heaven, and a thirds reality."

 

So finding oneself in hell...what do one do exactly?

Sure one can focus on pretty cards,

push the issue off on the dream that the right deck will have the magic power to heal everything.

Put all the wrongs right in one marvelous spread.

 

Or one can wake up and face the music, whatever your particular tune is, and however grim it may sound to you.

How one goes about this is not something one can cover in such a general post as this.

But from experience one must start somewhere...anywhere...preferably somewhere that seems to make sense.

Do whatever one can do, maybe even something that one wants to do.

So with that said...

Good luck to you, whatever your struggle is!  :)

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NoellaRoyce

This is a great thread; I also struggle with a buying addiction; I usually have it under control, but then I impulse buy two or three decks because they look lovely and seductive.

 

Then I get them, and it's often a disappointment or I don't connect at all and seriously regret the money expenditure. This has happened with three decks in the last twelve months - and since I've bought five, that's a serious issue/a really bad percentage of fails. (Decks are Tarot of the Vampyre, Tarot de la Nuit, and the Happy Tarot - first two are visually appealing and content empty, the last is quite creative and just not my style at all.) Although I haven't actively bought a deck in months I actually forgot I preordered the Tarot de la Nuit, but didn't decline when they said it was coming. Very foolish of me.

 

As Arch[/member] mentioned, the buying tarot cards is a symptom of deeper issues, and I do it when I'm stressed. Recognizing that is the #1 key.

 

Also, the memory of shame - I am embarrassed to have bought these cards before reading many reviews and making sure they were for me, and I don't want to repeat that sensation. That money could be spent on so many other things, as well as decks I WILL love.

 

 

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AJ-ish/Sharyn

sometimes I just literally shout at myself.

"What Are You? 8 years old?"

 

I don't do well with nudge nudge wink wink threads, is why I never participated in the AT one.

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Tarotphelia

I find that simply taking a good look at a potential new deck is usually enough to put a damper on buying it . A lot of decks are mostly just repeats of older ones . Same basic style , tweaked . This keeps the card companies in business . People often like to buy the same type they liked and bought before . I look at a deck and ask myself if it surpasses any of the decks I already own and usually the answer is no . And when the answer is yes , it's usually too expensive . Problem solved .

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Siavahda

I really don't feel comfortable making a post in the addiction thread - I don't want to distract from people with real problems - but I do feel like I need de-enabling.

 

I went a little crazy when I first got into tarot about two years ago; I'd just received an inheritance from a long-deceased relative, so I justified it because I had the money to spend. I wasn't hurting anyone, and I made sure significant chunks of the money went to necessary things, like a surgery for our dog and so on. I spent a lot of time choosing each deck, reading reviews and watching unboxing videos on Youtube (which are amazing, and have completely turned me off many a deck. I so appreciate being able to view every card before buying!) before deciding on it. But I did end up with 10-15 decks within a few months, many of which were more expensive than the norm, because it turns out my tastes run to indie and oop decks.

 

I had a messed-up childhood that's left me with Issues about getting things for myself (which extends to being unable to ask for food, or even accept it when it's offered, in many contexts). I'm aware of this and struggle with it all the time. My husband is amazingly supportive, and I've come very far. But it's circled (or mutated?) into a new problem, wherein I react to anyone, including myself, trying to limit my self-indulgences with intense resentment. I feel guilty, and resent feeling guilty, even when the person trying to help me is absolutely not trying to guilt-trip me in any way.

 

How this relates to tarot: I love decks. I currently own 32, some of which are multiple copies of the same deck (I wouldn't say I have OCD, but I do have intense anxiety about my favourite decks being damaged, hence the back-up copies). I only regret buying one, and that very mildly. But I don't use my decks; most of my decks I have never done a reading with. In the last year, I've performed readings on only three occasions, using the same deck each time. I'm a strong psychic and getting back in touch with that part of myself is important to me, but mental health issues and gaining my first full-time job has left me with little energy to do readings as often as I'd like.

 

But I keep buying decks. I made a Google doc to keep track of my wishlist when I first got into tarot, and I find that very calming; most of the decks on that list have just stayed on the list, I haven't felt the need to actually buy them. But like odd_soul[/member], Kickstarter has me hooked. I think it's the idea that I might miss out? There's often Kickstarter-exclusive details that won't be available later - and even when there isn't, generally there's no guarantee that a Kickstarter deck will be available post-campaign. Or; I live in Finland, so the price of the deck during the campaign is almost always less than it will/would be if I bought it retail from the creator's store later.

 

I'm still careful and picky about my choices, and I've never spent so much that I'm in financial trouble. I've never yet regretted backing a campaign. But I feel physically sick when I hit 'pledge', and get increasingly anxious and guilty as the end of the campaign nears. I feel ashamed and go to paranoid lengths to hide the prices of my purchases from my husband, despite the fact that he's never expressed disapproval of all the parcels arriving on the doorstep, and in fact has happily followed along on campaign updates with me (he's a big fan of the True Black).

 

I don't really know what to do. I'm not sure I even need de-enabling, now I write it out. It's only that I don't use my decks that makes part of me wonder if I should stop buying them. I'm definitely buying things I don't need. I have just started seeing a therapist, who I will bring this up with, but...I don't know, I guess I wanted to hear from other people who struggle with buying tarot decks specifically.

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ilweran

Siavahda[/member] I have quite a lot of decks, over 200 I think,  plus oracles on top of that, and phone apps. I don't use most of them to read with, but still like to look at them.

 

If you're not spending money you can't afford, but the buying is making you unhappy or anxious then there is obviously something that needs addressing. You may find that when you start working on this with your therapist that the need to buy will lessen, though don't be surprised or alarmed if it goes the other way first!

 

Personally I stay away from Kickstarter for the most part, though I have a couple of the 78 Tarot decks. I still get emails from them, but archive them straight away these days!

 

As a more general reply to this thread, the biggest reason for me buying new decks rarely these days is my son - I generally don't have as much time, energy or money to devote to my collection. I bought the Linestrider recently, my last deck before that was The Dreaming Way and that was a Christmas present! I am currently eyeing up the Zillich and the Anieth Nature Tarot, but that is a very short wishlist compared to the ones I used to have.

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geminigypsy

Wow. I am glad for this thread. (not that it's great we have addictions, lol, but to know we're not alone)  I too had a little bit of a deck addiction for awhile....the colors, the artwork, beautiful images...like small art galleries in boxes. I couldn't wait to get a new one in the mail and open it up and go through the new images.

 

But then I got sick and didn't have the energy or money to browse all the new decks. Came to realize...I only really read with my universal and three oracle decks. All my other decks just sit around. I barely have time lately to even look through them. I have a few I use as props for my tarot wraps pictures. The rest I feel I should re-home.

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Jewel

Previous to taking a 4 to 5 year sabbatical from Tarot (I have re-engaged about year and half ago or so), I was always on the look and on the hunt for new decks (Tarot and Oracle), and well now I have a collection full of unused decks.  When I returned I committed myself to not fall back in that trap and to finally explore and see what treasures I had ... Lets face it, since I have not used them they are still new to me!  that was the mental position I adopted, the paradigm shift that helped me get this under control.

 

Once I got that ingrained in my head I then came up with a strategy to enjoy all these "new decks", and came up with the idea of working primarily (not exclusively) with a different deck each month, then writing a review of the deck.  If I end up feeling like I will work with it again it goes into to my "to keep" category, if I do not enjoy it that much or think I will not use it then it is going into my future "to trade or sell" category.  I have now been doing this for a little over a year and it has been so helpful and fun!  I have expanded the number of real reading decks I use and have rehomed a few decks or used them for trades for something I want.  The reviews are hopefully helpful to others looking into the decks, as they are not just looked at with a review written in the height of the excitement of someone that just got the deck, but from a perspective of someone who has dedicated time to and used the deck.

 

Have I gotten new decks?  Yes, as Christmas or b-day gifts (or purchased with gift certificates received on those occasions), and no more than 2 at one time.  As mentioned before I also have traded some of my decks for decks I wanted.  I actually look at that thread where people post about decks that have disappointed them, to see if they post something I have been wanting and see if we can trade so they can get something they would like more, and I can try out said deck I was interested in they hated.  Win win for everyone  :biggrin:  I have only actually outright purchased one deck in a year and half, and only because I got a bonus at work, if not I would have waited for Christmas.

 

I still have trouble letting go of decks, but it is getting easier and I have totally changed my previous "I want, I want, I want NOW!" mentality for one of practicality and I am finally focused on experiencing the decks instead of acquiring them.  I feel a freedom and sense of satisfaction that has actually enhanced my love for tarot and though really using the other decks, has really expanded my knowledge base and use of my decks.

 

 

 

 

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Saturn Celeste

I have a few I use as props for my tarot wraps pictures. The rest I feel I should re-home.

I don't rehome.  I paid that money for a reason.  You have a collection now and  you're back in a tarot forum.  Perhaps you'll pick up more understanding here and will go through your decks before giving them up.  There is time to learn and we have many studies going on here!  Of course the decision is yours in the end.  Also, decks go up in value.  If you have like new decks you might want to check the going price for them and if you do want to sell, you might get some money back on your purchases.  I have a few decks worth a couple hundred dollars now since they've gone out of print so I look at many of my decks as an investment.

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Thoughtful

As tarot enthusiasts we all get tempted by new decks and feel we just  have to have this one or that one.

Even though l have several really good working decks l can still feel the pull when a new tarot pops up.

For me l now go to youtube  watch the unboxings and the walk throughs to fully inform myself.  Usually by the time all the cards have been seen a couple of times l lose the interest.  If there is a deck that really speaks to me after this l will consider buying it.

Its like a form of aversion therapy  ;D

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Whisper

I have a few I use as props for my tarot wraps pictures. The rest I feel I should re-home.

I don't rehome.  I paid that money for a reason.  You have a collection now and  you're back in a tarot forum.  Perhaps you'll pick up more understanding here and will go through your decks before giving them up.  There is time to learn and we have many studies going on here!  Of course the decision is yours in the end.  Also, decks go up in value.  If you have like new decks you might want to check the going price for them and if you do want to sell, you might get some money back on your purchases.  I have a few decks worth a couple hundred dollars now since they've gone out of print so I look at many of my decks as an investment.

 

What a great thread, Saturn!  <3 <3

 

I think many see me as having a little bit of an addiction to collecting Tarot and Oracle cards. I took a ten-year hiatus and since I've come back to Tarot, I have increased my oracle collection and my Tarot collection. I don't believe I have an addiction because I don't spend on them what I don't have. I just received two gift certificates to Chapters and Amazon and know I will definitely be buying Tarots or Oracle cards with that money.

 

It took me ages, for example, to decide to buy the Tabula Mundi which is numbered. I received it today and am very happy with the purchase. Like you, I see it as an investment. I don't follow Kickstarter and the most recent indie deck I bought was on Etsy, The Messenger Cards oracle. Decks that are OOP like the Rohrig, the ReVISIONed, even the Tarot of Saqqara now being reprinted will, I believe, accrue in value over the years. I find that I end up using nearly all of my decks, depending on the reading and whom I reading for.

 

I collect them, too, because they are, for me, portable art galleries. I find looking at art enriches my soul, so when the mundane, the materialistic, the commercial, the technological get to me, I pull out my cards and look at them. It also helps to know the messages they convey. This adds another layer of profundity in a moment of reconnection with self and Spirit.

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Annabelle

I've been collecting tarot since 2005 and currently own 1011 decks.

 

I have never considered myself a tarot-buying addict, though. It's never posed a problem in my life; I've been extremely fortunate in that I have a supportive partner, a home big enough to easily contain the collection, and sufficient pocket money to (usually) buy decks when I want to while still getting the bills paid.

 

There have been times, especially when I started collecting, when I bought indiscriminately and ended up with some decks that I didn't like and felt guilty for buying. I've long since traded or given away some of those poorly chosen decks, while a handful of others still sit in a dark corner of a dark shelf for now. In the last several years, I've stopped trying to buy every deck and started seeking out specific kinds of decks (historical patterns, TdM variants, etc.).

 

All that said, I have over-indulged in retail therapy many times in my life -- for example, I spent about 2 years impulse-buying expensive makeup products and feeling so guilty that I would do all that I could to get to the mail box first every day, so my partner didn't know just how much I was spending on lipstick and eyeshadow and such. In the end, I gave away tons of makeup to friends and student workers and stopped the buying spree, but not until I had train cases of products stashed in every cabinet and closet in the house. Would I say that I had a shopping addiction in that case? Truthfully, yes.

 

The difference between buying a ton of makeup vs. 1000+ tarot decks? My tarot collection brings me tremendous joy, but makeup never did. I don't feel guilty about things that bring me joy.

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FLizarraga

Interesting thread, but it does not feel as an actual de-enabling thread.

 

 

So, if I actually need de-enabling, is this the place I should come to?

 

 

Case in point: The Influence of the Angels Tarot. It looks like the love child of the Victorian Romantic and Kat Black's Golden Tarot. It is divine in every way. It has metallic gold edges. It is already in my Amazon cart. Help me!

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Raggydoll

Interesting thread, but it does not feel as an actual de-enabling thread.

 

 

So, if I actually need de-enabling, is this the place I should come to?

 

 

Case in point: The Influence of the Angels Tarot. It looks like the love child of the Victorian Romantic and Kat Black's Golden Tarot. It is divine in every way. It has metallic gold edges. It is already in my Amazon cart. Help me!

 

You will get bored pretty soon from seeing all those wings. It’s just too sugary sweet! Plus, it makes no sense - If the hermit had wings then why would he still walk up that mountain. I feel that it misses a very important point on symbolism because the hermit is (in my opinion) not a being above us, but someone that has walked the walk and now holds a light for the others. Anyone can and will take on the role as the hermit in their lives. We will be the hermit in some areas and the fool in others. This deck has decided on a theme and force-fitted it onto tarot. And it lost something in the process. You want substance over pretty if you really want to connect with tarot.

 

How’s that?! Did it work?  ^-^

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FLizarraga

Plus, it makes no sense - If the hermit had wings then why would he still walk up that mountain. I feel that it misses a very important point on symbolism because the hermit is (in my opinion) not a being above us, but someone that has walked the walk and now holds a light for the others. Anyone can and will take on the role as the hermit in their lives. We will be the hermit in some areas and the fool in others.

 

 

Great de-enabling post, Raggydoll. THIS part is the one that got my attention. It's a really good point. Now I'm getting there --thanks to you!  :)

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bookshop

So did you wind up buying the deck, FLizarraga[/member]?

 

I love this thread! I have a few loose rules that I've developed in my time as a (very, very) casual collector, and they help me quickly work past my initial giddy enthusiasm for a deck, haha:

 

  • No decks by multiple artists, because for me the different art styles tend to disrupt the flow of the deck
     
  • No decks with art that uses photo-collages or photography, because I know from experience that I get far less out of those art styles; it's illustrated art for me only. (Plus this rule weeds out a huge number of decks so it's convenient, haha.)
     
  • No Major Arcana-only decks
     
  • I also try to avoid decks that are too stylistically and thematically similar to decks I already own. So, for instance, I have the Badgers Forest deck so I don't want/need another animal deck (though I'm probably going to give in and buy the Brady Tarot at some point). I already have the Hirajeta deck so I don't need another dark fantasy/horror - themed deck unless it's extraordinary, etc.
     

 

I've also realized that the thrill of chasing down a rare deck isn't always worth the payoff — I just found this out with the OOP Slow Holler deck. I really thought I would love this deck, but now that I've finally managed to get my hands on it after losing a few ebay auctions, I'm having trouble loving it the way I thought I would. (This is probably because I broke one of my rules, haha — it's a deck by multiple artists!)

 

Oh, and I definitely second the instruction about finding as many images of the deck online as you can. That's a huge help/clarifying thing for me.

 

The fun part is that I think having these rules in place makes me love a deck more when I make an exception for it.  I broke the #3 rule to get the Jugendstil tarot and I don't regret it in the slightest. And my one totally multi-artist deck, the Cosmos tarot/oracle, is just stunning, so why would I need another one? And my sole Lenormand deck (the gorgeous Alternate Realities Lenormand) is a photo-collage deck.  What can I say? The code's more like guidelines, etc.

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Saturn Celeste

Interesting thread, but it does not feel as an actual de-enabling thread.

 

 

So, if I actually need de-enabling, is this the place I should come to?

 

 

Case in point: The Influence of the Angels Tarot. It looks like the love child of the Victorian Romantic and Kat Black's Golden Tarot. It is divine in every way. It has metallic gold edges. It is already in my Amazon cart. Help me!

Oh great!  Now I've put the deck on my wish list in Amazon.  :bwah:

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FLizarraga

So did you wind up buying the deck, FLizarraga[/member]?

 

 

Thanks to Raggydoll, not... yet. But I know I'll cave in eventually...

I have the same... not so much rules as hangups. I have had a couple of gorgeous photo decks and they just don't do it for me. Same for multiple artists (no cohesion) and majors only --though this last rule is a bit more lax when I like the deck enough. *sigh*

[/size]I can't say that I have avoided decks too stylistically and thematically similar to the ones I have, however, as I own at least half a dozen vampire decks, just off the top off my head, and at least four cat decks --although I don't really go for animal decks, either, but you know how it goes...

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FLizarraga

Interesting thread, but it does not feel as an actual de-enabling thread.

 

 

So, if I actually need de-enabling, is this the place I should come to?

 

 

Case in point: The Influence of the Angels Tarot. It looks like the love child of the Victorian Romantic and Kat Black's Golden Tarot. It is divine in every way. It has metallic gold edges. It is already in my Amazon cart. Help me!

Oh great!  Now I've put the deck on my wish list in Amazon.  :bwah:

 

 

I'm so sorry, Saturn Celeste!  X-D

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Raggydoll

Interesting thread, but it does not feel as an actual de-enabling thread.

 

 

So, if I actually need de-enabling, is this the place I should come to?

 

 

Case in point: The Influence of the Angels Tarot. It looks like the love child of the Victorian Romantic and Kat Black's Golden Tarot. It is divine in every way. It has metallic gold edges. It is already in my Amazon cart. Help me!

Oh great!  Now I've put the deck on my wish list in Amazon.  :bwah:

 

:((  >:D X-D

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