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On 2/28/2019 at 8:09 AM, fire cat pickles said:

Historical accuracy (1-4 pts.) Is the deck consistent with the historical pattern of a traditional TdM? Are there any additions or subtractions? Is it a reproduction (fewer points) or a facsimile (more points)?

 

Artistic endeavor (1-4 pts.) If a reproduction, how far did the artist go to make it her or his own? Is it simply a photocopy of the original (fewer points)? Or is it a reworking or unique recoloring of a facsimile (more points)?

 

Collectible value (1-4 pts.) How valuable is the deck? Does it have more than just sentimental value?

 

Usability (1-4 pts.) What is the cardstock like? How does the deck shuffle? Is it ergonomic or does it stab your fingers?

 

For a total of 4 to 24 points...

I'm seeing a max total of 16 points. *scratches head*

Anyway, max points to the Madenie. It ticks all the boxes. https://tarot-de-marseille-heritage.com/english/catalogue_madenie1709.html
I was lucky enough to get my copy early on, so it has the shadow images on some of the cards.

It does have square corners, so it might be less than ideal for some. But my shuffling technique allows me to use it without the stabbity factor. :)

Runner-up would be the Flamand (Bacchus). I got a bridge sized one in linen back when Tag was selling it that way. Portable, slippy, and fun!

 

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5 hours ago, katrinka said:

I'm seeing a max total of 16 points. *scratches head*

Anyway, max points to the Madenie. It ticks all the boxes. https://tarot-de-marseille-heritage.com/english/catalogue_madenie1709.html
I was lucky enough to get my copy early on, so it has the shadow images on some of the cards.

It does have square corners, so it might be less than ideal for some. But my shuffling technique allows me to use it without the stabbity factor. 🙂

Runner-up would be the Flamand (Bacchus). I got a bridge sized one in linen back when Tag was selling it that way. Portable, slippy, and fun!

 

I have the early edition too, it’s so atmospheric!!! 😃

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11 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

I have the early edition too, it’s so atmospheric!!! 😃

Yes! I prefer reproductions that aren't overly cleaned-up.
That's not to say the one Yves is selling now isn't wonderful - it is - but the faint shadow images are kind of ghostly and add something unique. And they're part of the deck's history, a result of something that happened during the manufacturing process they used then.

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Concerning accuracy and all, the Nicolas Conver (1761) by Grimaud is fine. The cardstock is standard/good and the back sober (no plaid pattern for this one).

Since it is a faithful reproduction of the original colors tend to be palish (which can be interesting if you want to write on the deck, because with bright colors it's something more difficult).

The price isn't particularly expensive; still in print but I didn't see it on Amazon.com (maybe on eBay?), on Amazon France it is this one (note the box to recognize it): https://www.amazon.fr/Marseille-Conver-Lames-Livret-Français/dp/B000LV1ZZM

Otherwise the LWB is in French/English but unusable (for example for the Death card you can read: "marriage that will please you" 🤪

But it's not the first time I see a LWB like that!

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Pardon me if I dispense with the scoring, but I will tell you my two favourite TdM decks: Jean Noblet Tarot restored by Jean-Claude Flornoy 2014 edition, because it is beautiful and small and the Jean Dodal by Flornoy, because they are also beautiful, and large, and I love the eyes. I own several other TdM decks but these are by far my favourites and most used. 

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@Carla are there any modern TdM decks you admire? I said earlier in the thread that my faves are the Tarot Noir and the Trionfi della Luna, which are both modern. I might add the Musterberg tarot to the list, i just really love modern decks and despite owning two historical decks (the Claude Burdel and the Claude Rochias), I feel more of a powerful emotional connection to modern decks that are building on longstanding tradition than i do from the actual historical decks themselves.

 

I'm just curious because people in this thread clearly see rich nuances and distinctions in the classical decks that i just don't really get yet, so i'm wondering if there are modern decks that speak to you in similar ways.

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20 minutes ago, bookshop said:

@Carla are there any modern TdM decks you admire? I said earlier in the thread that my faves are the Tarot Noir and the Trionfi della Luna, which are both modern. I might add the Musterberg tarot to the list, i just really love modern decks and despite owning two historical decks (the Claude Burdel and the Claude Rochias), I feel more of a powerful emotional connection to modern decks that are building on longstanding tradition than i do from the actual historical decks themselves.

 

I'm just curious because people in this thread clearly see rich nuances and distinctions in the classical decks that i just don't really get yet, so i'm wondering if there are modern decks that speak to you in similar ways.

I used to own Tarot Noir and a few other TdM-inspired modern decks. The short answer to your question is no. There aren't any modern decks that do for me what the ancient decks do. I started my tarot journey with RWS and the many clones, and I found the TdM hideously ugly, even repellent. Something told me to keep at it, and over time, they started to become beautiful to me, like Picasso is beautiful to some people, I guess. I bought Jean-Claude Flornoy's two restorations, Jean Noblet and Jean Dodal, and they remain my favourites. They remind me of stained glass windows, there's something so freeing in their stylised art and their complete lack of story in and of themselves. It was virtually impossible for me to do other than spew memorised 'meanings' using other decks, where a story had been imposed on the card for me. But with these...it's wide open. They're so familiar, it's like, I don't know, like how a keyboard is always the same on the piano but the player gets so many different songs out of it. Readers can pull so many different stories from the same pictures, just like the player does from the piano.  For some reason that is unclear to me, the newer decks feel like something's missing. They don't invite me in. They're flat and dead. Whereas these two decks for me are rich and magnetic. 

 

Having read through the thread, I notice the Madinie 1709. I used to have that one, but I sold it. I love the super duper cleaned up repros. Actually to be fair, I love the Noblet and the Dodal. I haven't found any other TdMs that come close for me. 

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My favorite at the moment is the Mamanmiyuki Tarot de Marseille, the mini deck. I would rate it 

 

3 for Historical accuracy (since it is a redrawing of the 1709 Pierre Madenie) 

 

4 for Artistic endeavor (since it manages, with little changes, to infuse the Madenie with a kind, soft and humorous flavor, without being kitschy) 

 

2 for Collectible value (since it's a bird hard to order from Japan, but still available) 

 

4 for Usability (the cards are small but for me perfect to shuffle and handle and read, also great for larger spreads.)

 

13

 

Can I give bonus points for the most beautiful backs? That little bunny! 

 

Some info and images here:

www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/tarot-de-marseille-mamanmiyuki/

and here (mainly in Japanese): 

https://yff03170.wixsite.com/mamanmiyuki

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