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It seems like no Kipper deck has been discussed yet in the Oracle sub-forums. Anyway, does anyone here have the Fin de Siècle? How is it like, and how does it read? Do you like it?

 

I think I've just fallen for it lol. Yeah, me and my wayward heart. ;D Anyway, I have never explored the Kipper system altho I've heard of it before, so if you know of helpful resources which can complement the excellent booklet that came with it, I'd be grateful for them. :)

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I already have this deck, tho I haven't opened it yet. Just want to post some excellent resources for later consumption:

 

Stefan's Cards - Kipper Tutorial

 

The Card Geek - Youtube Channel

 

Just saw these resources. Thank you, EK. I'm surprised no one has explored this system, here, yet. Have you explored it on your own, EK?

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I like the deck - it's been well thought-out and has respected Kipper readers contributing to the LWB. I prefer to use my original German deck though as it's most familiar to me. In contrast to tarot, I find I only work with 1 deck for Lenormand and Kipper.

 

I think there are a few people who have explored Kipper here. It's a different style of reading to tarot but worth exploring if you'd like to do more predictive readings.

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I like the deck - it's been well thought-out and has respected Kipper readers contributing to the LWB. I prefer to use my original German deck though as it's most familiar to me. In contrast to tarot, I find I only work with 1 deck for Lenormand and Kipper.

 

I think there are a few people who have explored Kipper here. It's a different style of reading to tarot but worth exploring if you'd like to do more predictive readings.

 

What deck are you using for Lenormand and Kipper, Flaxen? I'd love to hear more about these systems. I know you are knowledgeable. :D

 

Yes, I'm interested in that, too. Love the Tarot, but from my foray into Lenormand, I can begin to see that it has its strengths. I've just started Andy Boroveshengra's book for Lenormand and find it very good. Curious about the Kipper, now.

 

Once I finish Andy's book, I'm thinking of joining any Lenormand study group that's here at TT&T. I hope there's something similar for Kipper, too.

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I use the Lilac Dondorf from here:

 

http://gameofhopelenormand.bigcartel.com/product/le-fanu-s-lilac-dondorf-is-returning

 

and these Kipper cards https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kipper-Wahrsagekarten/dp/3038191175.

 

I prefer the images to be clear and traditional but your preference might be different.  :D

 

I'm waiting to receive Ciro's extended Lenormand and his Kipper. Love those images. I was looking at your 9 card square and I realize how well versed you are in Lenormand. Do you know of any beginner's thread for Lenormand or Kipper?

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I think DownUnderNZer started a general questions one in the Lenormand section so you could post any questions you have there too.

 

I did look at starting a Kipper study group but I haven't really got time to run one properly at the moment although I'd be happy to contribute if someone set one up.  :D

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I think DownUnderNZer started a general questions one in the Lenormand section so you could post any questions you have there too.

 

I did look at starting a Kipper study group but I haven't really got time to run one properly at the moment although I'd be happy to contribute if someone set one up.  :D

 

I know how you feel re. time, Flaxen. It would be great, though, to have both a study group for Lenormand and Kipper (beginner group, though :D).

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Btw, I'm glad to know that you finally bought the Fin de Siècle Kipper and the Gilded Reverie Lenormand Expanded, Shivani. I have both too, but I bought my Gilded Reverie two years ago, so it's not the expanded edition. Hope you like them. :)

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Btw, I'm glad to know that you finally bought the Fin de Siècle Kipper and the Gilded Reverie Lenormand Expanded, Shivani. I have both too, but I bought my Gilded Reverie two years ago, so it's not the expanded edition. Hope you like them. :)

 

Thank you, EK. I hope so, too. I'm so interested in studying the Lenormand. Is there anyone here who reads with it who lead us in a study group?

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I ordered this deck too and it’s about to arrive in a few days. To be honest I actually wanted to own the original Kipper deck but at least in my country it’s nowhere to be found.

Fortunately I connected to Fin de Siecle and I will be able to do readings with it easily. Still, if one day I were to find to Original Kipper I would buy it in a sight.

 

 

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hi,

I just call that kipper the ciro kipper, it is easier for me eheh.

 

the kipper deck by ciro got some key differnces.. extra cards for balance reasons.

and in his little white book I was surprised that one person read the kipper individually like a tarot card rather then in combos like the lenormand..

and I recall my friend telling me one time as I used reversals with Doreen virtue cards but I didn't and she said to me why not ? you use them with the tarot..

so I use reversals with the kipper starting from day one..

 

I love it to its beauty and I studied some of the cards in atf,,

 

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I also saw in the LWB that they seem to use it a little "tarotly". I got this deck this week. Good that the LWB explains how to interpretate cards in relation to other cards. Very different system. And interesting!

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I haven't read all the posts in this thread but wanted to respond anyway. I have both the Fin de Siecle and Lenormand that Ciro created. They're my "Sunday go to meetin"" decks to use a quaint and humorous term  These decks, if I have a space large enough to spread a Grand Tableau, are the cards I read for customers. I'm still getting the hang of the Kipper, but I'm more used to the Lenormand. I tend to want to use both in the same spreads sometimes.

 

Then I have the Mystical Kipper and Mystical Lenormand and I use those when space for spreading the cards is an issue. They take up less room.

 

I tend to always read the cards in combination, using both the Kipper and Lenromand. I haven't settled on my favorite way to use them together yet, but it's interesting learning how they work together.

 

I've had four great-grandchildren join my family in the past year and two little ones who are step-children to one of my grand-daughters who have joined the family, too.

I thought it would be neat to devise a spread to do a reading for them from their birth forward. I want to do readings for each of them and seal the redings in an envelope they can then open when they're grown. I think that will be a nice, fun thing for them.

I've got a diagram drawn for the spread but haven't actually done the readings yet.

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That's very interesting, Grizabella! I know that you won't be able to post your readings here because they are very private, but I'm quite curious about the spread you devised.

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l tried with the Lenormand some years ago and could not get the hang of it.

 

Decided to try Ciro's Kipper cards.  They are so beautiful like everything he does.  Have been getting educated watching the youtube vids.  They have been so helpful.

 

 

l love this method of reading, l practice at the moment with just 3 cards and the answers to my questions have been very revealing and so true.  Will take me some time no doubt to get the hang of doing a GT.

 

Its great to use something alongside my tarot.

 

 

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I want to do readings for each of them and seal the readings in an envelope they can then open when they're grown. I think that will be a nice, fun thing for them.

I've got a diagram drawn for the spread but haven't actually done the readings yet.

Grizabella, what a wonderful idea!!  Please make sure to do this, it's a really sweet thing for your great-grandchildren to grow up and open!

 

I too have this deck and love it!  I don't use it often enough though.

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That's very interesting, Grizabella! I know that you won't be able to post your readings here because they are very private, but I'm quite curious about the spread you devised.

 

 

 

I would like to see how this spread is laid out as well. It sounds like such a sweet and lovely thing to do.  <3 Kind of wish I had been reading tarot back when my boys were born, :)

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The bit about sealed readings made me remember a (possibly apocryphal) story about our second lady president, who through Machiavellian tactics is now the Speaker of the House after almost getting jailed. Anyway, there was a storm in the first year of her second term. She was accused of cheating against her popular frontrunner, who was a political non-entity before but who had tons of charisma. Many of her cabinet fled from her and so did a lot of political allies, and she was even forced to apologize on TV for improper conduct, tho she didn't admit to anything illegal.

 

There were so many formidable opponents arrayed and forces massing against her, and people said it's only a matter of time before she gets toppled. Just when she was ready to throw in the towel, she remembered that she still has a last ace. See, when she was a kid, someone who was very close to her family (which was old rich) foretold the most brilliant destiny for her, even whispering auguries of a presidency at a time when it would have been unthinkable for a woman to be one. Anyway, this family friend gave her three pieces of paper, with instructions to open one of them only when absolutely necessary or in the case of an extreme emergency.

 

They said that she opened the first prediction when she began her fated rise in politics while she opened the second one just before she successfully deposed her predecessor. Now in the fatal hour of her presidency, she opened the last paper and it only contained seven words. "Winners never quit and quitters never win". So with renewed confidence she began a ruthlessly efficient defence of the proverbial crown, bargaining and plotting and outmaneuvering her enemies. She's many things but she never lacked for brains.

 

In the end she was able to finish her term and was our prez for a whole decade, from 2001 to 2010. She remained quite unpopular after that political near-coup  tho.

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That's quite some story EmpryeanKnight. 

 

l would think that we could all have a go at this.  Grizabella's is a very long term prediction. As was the one for the lady president.

 

Would be fun to try this with family and friends, say for a 6 month period, would that work as well?  Being impatient l like results quick, and also l would hopefully still be alive to see if they came about ;D  ;D  ;D

 

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That's quite some story EmpryeanKnight. 

 

l would think that we could all have a go at this.  Grizabella's is a very long term prediction. As was the one for the lady president.

 

Would be fun to try this with family and friends, say for a 6 month period, would that work as well?  Being impatient l like results quick, and also l would hopefully still be alive to see if they came about ;D ;D ;D

 

 

 

I have somewhere a letter I wrote for my oldest son when he was only 3 months old meant for him to read when he turned 18. I don't know where it is now and I don't even remember what I wrote. I do however remember the circumstances under which I wrote the letter and why I felt the need to do so. It troubles me that I don't know where it is. There are quite a few very important things like that, such as my Patriarchal Blessing for example, which have disappeared since I got married. Things that I would never get rid of. Things that I would take to my grave. And this letter to my son is one of them. It wasn't a prophecy exactly. Just a mother's blessing. He turns 18 next spring and I hope to find it in time.

 

 

In lieu of that, I recently figured out what Chiron is in astrology and where it's placed in my son's natal chart. Chiron is the wounded healer (interestingly enough he is also The Hierophant in the Mythic Tarot). This where you can instinctively heal and assist others, but not yourself. So I think the best gift I can give him is a reading that offers life long advice in this area for him specifically. How he can best serve others. How he can best serve himself. What to do when he runs into trouble in this area. That sort of thing. I just need to come up with a spread for it.

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What a pity you lost that letter for your son, perhaps it may not have meant to be. Your new one sounds beautiful and l am sure would be much appreciated by your son when he comes to read it.

 

 

Chiron the wounded healer and the hierophant, my goodness that is so powerful a combination,  he sounds like an old soul bringing healing with his words, touch and teachings.  He will have a lot to offer this world.  Am sure you will devise a spread soon.

 

 

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The only Kipper and Lenormand I use now are the ones from Ciro. I also have the Mystical Kipper and Lenormand and if I have limited space, I might use those, but Ciro's are my real love. I didn't realize he even published the expanded Lenormand until I loaned my regular one to my daughter, then decided to make her a gift of it, and bought myself another one. I'm SOOO glad he expanded the Lenormand because I love the limited edition he did.

 

I sent him an email and asked him if he was going to expand his Kipper at some point and he said no. He said he'd already expanded it a little but had no plans to expand it more.

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