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Do you just shuffle or riffle-shuffle?


Decan

How do you deal with your cards?  

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  1. 1. How do you deal with your cards?

    • I overhand shuffle my deck
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    • I riffle shuffle my deck
      3
    • I overhand shuffle and riffle my deck
      8
    • other, it depends
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1 minute ago, Decan said:

Okay, what we all want (I think) is that our precious decks don't become like that 😄

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Speak for yourself, when my decks start looking like that, THAT is when I know I have shuffled enough.

 

Ok ok I'll be serious LOL  I actually am trying to get better with the overhand shuffle, I'm not terrible at it, but cards tend to fly out too quickly.  I know that people say it's ok when a card comes out and they often times take that as a sign that the card "wanted to come out" but I usually have a card or two fly out of the deck just a second or two after shuffling, I see people like Bennebel Wynn who can just effortlessly shuffle beautifully with no cards coming out of place, I'd love to get to that level.  Normally though I kind of clumsily overhand shuffle, putting cards that fly out back in the deck as they do, then I give a riffle or two and do the reading.  Something else I am not good at but want to become good at is fanning out the deck on a table, once again Benebell is amazing with this, but for me I have to do it quite slowly, some cards don't fan out where you can see them and I have to pick then go fix the sections where some cards aren't visible.  So yeah I definitely hope to become a better shuffler and deck fanner in general someday.  

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8 minutes ago, Symph said:

Speak for yourself, when my decks start looking like that, THAT is when I know I have shuffled enough.

 

Ok ok I'll be serious LOL  I actually am trying to get better with the overhand shuffle, I'm not terrible at it, but cards tend to fly out too quickly.  I know that people say it's ok when a card comes out and they often times take that as a sign that the card "wanted to come out" but I usually have a card or two fly out of the deck just a second or two after shuffling, I see people like Bennebel Wynn who can just effortlessly shuffle beautifully with no cards coming out of place, I'd love to get to that level.  Normally though I kind of clumsily overhand shuffle, putting cards that fly out back in the deck as they do, then I give a riffle or two and do the reading.  Something else I am not good at but want to become good at is fanning out the deck on a table, once again Benebell is amazing with this, but for me I have to do it quite slowly, some cards don't fan out where you can see them and I have to pick then go fix the sections where some cards aren't visible.  So yeah I definitely hope to become a better shuffler and deck fanner in general someday.  

 

Yes this happened to me too. And at times I look at this card but not all the time because this could just say that I'm not concentrated enough when I overhand suffle.

So maybe the path is there, to be more diligent and to shuffle longer.

I knew the method @AJ-ish/Sharyn referred about to take a 1/3 and move it to the back and then continue to shuffle (when we want reversed cards).

This topic needs further contemplation for me 🙂

 

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Just now, Decan said:

 

Yes this happened to me too. And at times I look at this card but not all the time because this could just say that I'm not concentrated enough when I overhand suffle.

So maybe the path is there, to be more diligent and to shuffle longer.

I knew the method @AJ-ish/Sharyn referred about to take a 1/3 and move it to the back and then continue to shuffle (when we want reversed cards).

This topic needs further contemplation for me 🙂

 

Actually I have noticed that!  When I take a large portion of the deck as the first over hand in the beginning I don't drop cards, I just always felt that that wasn't giving me a good enough shuffle and was amateurish, so perhaps I should just stick with that if it's actually considered a valid method of shuffling!

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I'd do a lot more overhand if I could get that loud thwacking noise out of the cards like Malkiel does. That looks like fun. 😄

@Decan, those cards in the last gif are soaking wet. The guy's hands are shiny. Or maybe it's oil? A little fanning powder would have been sufficient, no need to GREASE them. 😂

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When I was just getting into Tarot and envisioning myself as this trippy mysterious cool Oracle guy, I actually looked up magician shuffling techniques intending to not only wow people with how I read the cards but also with card shuffling tricks like this

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I watched I think 3 tutorials and spent about an hour just trying to learn to do this

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And I couldn't even get the two halves together and then I got all frustrated and mad and realized I had enough work cut out for me just learning to be an accurate card reader and gave up on that idea lol

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AJ-ish/Sharyn

Symph, you are such a delight. Free decks from a casino...yes. Our precious decks...Hell No! 😉 

 

Decan said: "I knew the method @AJ-ish/Sharyn referred about to take a 1/3 and move it to the back and then continue to shuffle (when we want reversed cards)."

 

I might be misunderstanding, but my method doesn't have anything to do with reversing cards. Often we see here people saying "the blahblah card keeps coming up"  My reasoning is because they are just shuffling part one...in which the same cards stay on the top and bottom, really only the center cards get moved. And if they deal off the top, they certainly will keep getting the same cards. Hence part two, remove that possibility by moving 1/3-ish of the deck, and part three, fanning and drawing at random. 

 

Adding to my square pegness, I fan up down, rather than sideways, so I never get reversed cards, they are just sideways 🙂 

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Yes I misunderstood you, I'm sorry. I thought you referred to what I knew regarding the way to shuffle when we want reversing cards, that is to take a little portion of the deck (1/3 for example) and reverse it.

But the way you deal with cards makes sense!

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9 hours ago, Symph said:

Well first I turn on the fog machine.  Then I unbutton my shirt a bit, then I start sweating a lot, and then I get really pumped, split the deck in half and shake the cards until they are shuffled.  Oh yes, I believe I have some video of the last time I shuffled let me see if I can find it.....   why here it is.....

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If you ask me, that's the only way to shuffle....  😎

 

now, the music in the background is some really bad "elevator" like disco right?

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9 hours ago, Decan said:

Nice that this topic generates interest. It is really basic but very important too!

Actually what I called "just shuffle" is "overhand suffle" (it's the way I learned to shuffle a deck of cards when I was a child, so for me it is just shuffle).

It is this:

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To suffle-riffle is another way to shuffle, and it's to shuffle too of course! There is a side a bit "casino" which can be appealing.

Otherwise yes, there are torsions so it needs experience and caution.

It is this (there are a few variations apparently):

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Okay, what we all want (I think) is that our precious decks don't become like that 😄

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hmmm, I also overhand shuffle as well...I thought that is what "riffle" shuffling was.  I guess what "riffle" shuffling here is what I would call "bridge" shuffling...

 

so I put the wrong answer in the poll

 

I also find it comforting that someone else does the 6 piles thing too...I have had many people tell me that the 6 pile thing "doesn't work"...

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5 minutes ago, xTheHermitx said:

hmmm, I also overhand shuffle as well...I thought that is what "riffle" shuffling was.  I guess what "riffle" shuffling here is what I would call "bridge" shuffling...

 

so I put the wrong answer in the poll

 

I also find it comforting that someone else does the 6 piles thing too...I have had many people tell me that the 6 pile thing "doesn't work"...

This topic allows to clarify things! At this point "Other, it depends" is the answer which dominates regarding the poll, so there are not one correct way but practices.

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1 hour ago, xTheHermitx said:

 

now, the music in the background is some really bad "elevator" like disco right?

No it's Eye of the Tiger or The Final Countdown dude... duh.  

🤘🤣

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3 hours ago, AJ-ish/Sharyn said:

Symph, you are such a delight. Free decks from a casino...yes. Our precious decks...Hell No! 😉 

 

I'm a delight!  Hooray!  hehehe thank you.  

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1 hour ago, Symph said:

No it's Eye of the Tiger or The Final Countdown dude... duh.  

🤘🤣

 

hmmm...i was more hearing the theme from CHIPS....

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4 minutes ago, xTheHermitx said:

 

hmmm...i was more hearing the theme from CHIPS....

Dang not even familiar with that one hahaha That theme from MASH is depressing though!  And eerie.... and catchy...  

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I'd  say "It depends," but definitely not riffling. For me it's not so much worrying about damaging the cards (although some card stock will certainly warp) as that I just can't competently riffle, going all the way back to my youth when I couldn't do it with playing cards either. (I like to joke that I don't just get "jumpers," I get a whole "frog-pond" of them as the cards fly all over the place.) My hands are big enough that I can do overhand shuffling with almost any deck (some like the "large Thoth" I have to shuffle short-end-on), but I agree that I don't shuffle long enough to thoroughly randomize the deck. For that I've adopted Grizabella's method of dealing out the deck into several piles (I use seven) and then reassembling it in random order, during which I can introduce reversals. Then I shuffle overhand for a bit to complete the process and arrange the cards for the final layout. This takes no more time than doing an effective overhand-only shuffle. I do it every time before tackling a large spread, and every few readings if I'm doing smaller ones. I should add that I almost never put the cards back in their "out-of-the box" order, so the randomization becomes cumulative.

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Most of the members voted for overhand shuffle, but "other, it depends".

Just a few members who voted only riffle-shuffle.

I initially voted for "I overhand shuffle and riffle my deck" and I'm still agreed with that even if I will continue to overhand shuffle and at times only riffle-shuffle (but like they show in the last video).

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Here's my non-expert method:

Find the Significator for myself or the Querent, and place it to one side.   

I riffle easily, and do it 7 times to randomize the deck.  7 is all it takes to accomplish this accord to something I read or heard on YT.   After every reading. 

Place the Sig. back on top in case I wish to place the cards around it (like a poppet - see Balthazar's Conjure on Youtube). 

If not, then when ready to do another read, I insert it back into the deck, then concentrate on the question while I either riffle again OR overhand shuffle. 

The problem w my concentrating on the question w the overhand shuffle is that it's difficult to maintain focus when I'm trying to keep the cards fm flying out of my hands!

Then either cut the deck, sometimes not, and draw of the top;  or fan out and let the other person pick fm that.

 

(So I chose to vote Other.)

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Interesting. At this point, I'm way in the minority (10%) of those who riffle shuffle. I also bridge the deck, much like I do with playing cards. Under the deck has flimsy cardstock, I haven't damaged any of my decks yet. If the deck does have flimsy stock, I will overhand shuffle it.

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FindYourSovereignty

I love to riffle-shuffle. Learned how to do this when I was young and it is still my favorite. Some of these new indie decks are just too thick for that option though. 

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1 hour ago, katrinka said:

Balthazar is great. One of the few youtubers who actually knows his stuff. 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCULNabNE3Z_d7ZvFu-lB7Lg

 

Thanks for reminding me just how good he is. I'm skeptical of the competence of most YouTubers but his Tao of the Shuffle video is great, especially since it goes far beyond the mechanics of shuffling and into "how tarot works" (e.g. the "software of reality" and the concentration that "calibrates the cards"). Wonderful stuff. He brings the same kind of economy and focus to the 15-minute video that I strive for with my three-or-four-paragraph blog essays.

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