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Marigold
10 minutes ago, gregory said:

Those privileges may not last long. But a blanket closure on public spaces is much easier to manage than trying to distinguish between the ones that might be OK and the ones that aren't.

 

 

That's true. They don't really have time to get finnicky here. And there are so many green spaces in my town that one doesn't have to go far to fine one. I think it's one of the greenest cities in Switzerland.

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katrinka
13 minutes ago, Little Fang said:

Unfortunately I won't be lonely since I fly again tomorrow. I hear flight loads are down though, but they still make us do drink service and I wish they'd cancel that. 

I'll be taking every precaution, as I have older family, a brother with severe asthma, and asthma myself. I was hospitalized with double pneumonia as a little kid so I'm anxious. 

This is the kind of thing that really gets my back up. 
It does no good to cancel music festivals and sporting events if everything else is business as usual. 
It says we're all expendable, as long as the CEO's bottom line isn't affected too badly. And that's wrong. 

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Arania

Lots of people over here, especially the younger party folks, are defying the order to not gather in masses, and organize even more secret house parties and whatnot. It's stupid but it will keep happening.

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Rupicapra
1 hour ago, Marigold said:

I still don't see how this virus is more dangerous than a normal flu. There's something I'm not getting.

A problem is the speed of its spreading. Even tho the death rate is not as high as Ebola, a massive number of people will need medical care and hospitalization. Most health systems are not equipped to deal with a big number of patients with respiratory problems, especially with medical staff and healthworkers being on the front line inevitably catching it as a result of being ill equipped due to the fast spread (and saving money over the last decade and more). Italy's health system is not too bad, and yet they had to build pop-up hospitals where people have to lie under foil blankets. By measures like isolation, shutting down public areas, workplaces and so on, they try to slow the spread down as that is the only thing they can to to try and relive the health system and with that the support of those who are more vulnerable than others.

 

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Marigold

I was quite distressed when I read an article yesterday saying that one big weakness of the United States' battle against this virus, is that there are so many undocumented immigrants who would be so scared to death of getting deported so they won't report their symptoms and won't receive the attention they should.

 

The article made me feel really sad and kind of hopeless. For these people. And of course, they could well be uncontrolled vectors of the disease... .which would please Trump greatly. That worries me. That he'll latch onto this. He's already calling this Covid- a "foreign virus". And of course he'd latch on to this. He's attracted to evil stuff. 

 

Does official governement information in the US get translated automatically into Spanish? Like on their website?

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katrinka
2 minutes ago, Marigold said:

I was quite distressed when I read an article yesterday saying that one big weakness of the United States' battle against this virus, is that there are so many undocumented immigrants who would be so scared to death of getting deported so they won't report their symptoms and won't receive the attention they should.

 

The article made me feel really sad and kind of hopeless. For these people. And of course, they could well be uncontrolled vectors of the disease... .which would please Trump greatly. That worries me. That he'll latch onto this. He's already calling this Covid- a "foreign virus". And of course he'd latch on to this. He's attracted to evil stuff. 

 

Does official governement information in the US get translated automatically into Spanish? Like on their website?

The ACLU is on it already. It probably won't do any good, but at least somebody's trying. https://www.aclutx.org/es/node/3349?ms_aff=TX&initms_aff=TX&ms_chan=web&initms_chan=web

As for your last question, no. It used to be, but in 2017 the orange thing got it taken down.  https://qz.com/1204953/the-white-houses-spanish-language-site-is-still-missing/

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Marigold
4 minutes ago, Rupicapra said:

A problem is the speed of its spreading. Even tho the death rate is not as high as Ebola, a massive number of people will need medical care and hospitalization. Most health systems are not equipped to deal with a big number of patients with respiratory problems, especially with medical staff and healthworkers being on the front line inevitably catching it as a result of being ill equipped due to the fast spread (and saving money over the last decade and more). Italy's health system is not too bad, and yet they had to build pop-up hospitals where people have to lie under foil blankets. By measures like isolation, shutting down public areas, workplaces and so on, they try to slow the spread down as that is the only thing they can to to try and relive the health system and with that the support of those who are more vulnerable than others.

 

Yes. You're quite right. That's also what a friend was telling me yesterday. He was trying to hammer into my head that the logistics of all this is huge. Thanks for your post. And all the other posts too. 

 

As to logistics, the Swiss army is going to open a field hospital for 200 people to be ready just in case. The Swiss know know quite well how to prepare things. They're good at organising. And also a docile population so easy to organise. And there's loads of money in Switzerland - financially they can get through this, by taxing the middle class and working class more and letting the rich off the hook - but they'll get through it. With the devious manner they do. 

 

But how terrible for the poorer countries. Was speaking to a mother at my granddaughter's school who is from Bolivia. She said there's no way Bolivia could even start to cope with a problem of this type. It's sort of like a battle lost in advance.

 

There's not a single hour of the day, when I don't realise how privileged I am to live in a country like I do. The deep longing for this terrible inequality to end is deep and it always hurts doesn't it? It shouldn't be so. There's enough for every one. And even more. 

 

So beyond the virus itself, our whole ugly world is revealed. That's what really bothers me about this virus. For even if we get through this one, there'll be others in the future. Some much bigger. Will we be facing them with the same amount of inequality as before? ..... or maybe more. The rich will have time to build their Elysium in the meantime. 

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gregory
38 minutes ago, katrinka said:

This is the kind of thing that really gets my back up. 
It does no good to cancel music festivals and sporting events if everything else is business as usual. 
It says we're all expendable, as long as the CEO's bottom line isn't affected too badly. And that's wrong. 

Festivals etc have a LOT of people VERY close together - not to mention they get into hugging, shouting into each other's faces etc. If I were still at work, the person nearest to me in our open office was about 12 feet away. In a stadium - rubbing shoulders (and it can survive on fabric for 10+ hours.) Public transport - carry sanitiser, clean your hands if you touch something. LARGE group events that's all that much harder.

19 minutes ago, Rupicapra said:

A problem is the speed of its spreading. Even tho the death rate is not as high as Ebola, a massive number of people will need medical care and hospitalization. Most health systems are not equipped to deal with a big number of patients with respiratory problems, especially with medical staff and healthworkers being on the front line inevitably catching it as a result of being ill equipped due to the fast spread (and saving money over the last decade and more). Italy's health system is not too bad, and yet they had to build pop-up hospitals where people have to lie under foil blankets. By measures like isolation, shutting down public areas, workplaces and so on, they try to slow the spread down as that is the only thing they can to to try and relive the health system and with that the support of those who are more vulnerable than others.

 

Right on rupicapra.

 

And yes - the poor will have it harder - not just the undocumented. They just published the likely stats for the deprived areas of the UK - not least parts of London. Where life expectancy for women is actually falling as it is. Even so - Taiwan isn't hugely rich, and they have done better than anyone else. And not primarily by spending a bundle.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/how-taiwan-is-containing-coronavirus-despite-diplomatic-isolation-by-china

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ballerina
6 hours ago, gregory said:

Don't be lonely. Have a cookie

 

Thanks gregory.

 

This thread is great because TT & M is really my only worldwide outlet at this time and it's good to get other people's perspectives on the pandemic.

I'm in Canada and except for the bizarre panic buying people seem to be dealing with it as sensibly as they can.  Keep washing your hands.  🙂

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FLizarraga
1 hour ago, Marigold said:

On a more different note than the above. PornHub is offering free access to everyone in Italy for the duration of the crises. They should perhaps start first by removing the rape and sexual abuse videos and revenge porn on their website. (I don't watch porn - not interested in the least - but I read the newspapers so I know all about their stupid philanthropic offer and all about pornhub.)

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FLizarraga
1 hour ago, Marigold said:

Does official governement information in the US get translated automatically into Spanish? Like on their website?

 

1 hour ago, katrinka said:

As for your last question, no. It used to be, but in 2017 the orange thing got it taken down.  https://qz.com/1204953/the-white-houses-spanish-language-site-is-still-missing/

This was one quick way in which the Orange Thing showed its true colors (besides orange, of course). As an immigrant and a professional translator, I felt it as an insult, and of course that was TOT's intention.

 

Fortunately, governmental health institutions such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have kept Spanish pages for many, many years now, and still do. I have had the honor of contributing to them.

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Marigold
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4 minutes ago, FLizarraga said:

 

 

 

Fortunately, governmental health institutions such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have kept Spanish pages for many, many years now, and still do. I have had the honor of contributing to them.

Are there any other languages besides English and Spanish on the CDC's website? (I heard first about the CDC in the Walking Dead - lol-)

 

Oh wait, hang on... I can check that myself. Sorry !!

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gregory
23 minutes ago, ballerina said:

 

Thanks gregory.

 

This thread is great because TT & M is really my only worldwide outlet at this time and it's good to get other people's perspectives on the pandemic.

I'm in Canada and except for the bizarre panic buying people seem to be dealing with it as sensibly as they can.  Keep washing your hands.  🙂

Yes - interestingly my partner is there now and is flabbergasted to hear about everywhere else ! And his local stores have everything pretty much as normal.

 

This thread was supposed to be supportive... Let';s not start cursing officials etc,,,,

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kudos91

thanks @gregory, I was thinking abt starting a topic like this because I am getting bored.... I live in Italy so well no need to explain further...

Here they made the same mistake of underestimating the virus and then suddenly things got serious and the situation got out of control. People got confused and did unreasonable things cause just 2 weeks ago, the government told them oh this is just a bit worse than a flu.

I came back to Vietnam for Lunar new year and the moment China declared epidemic, people got panic already (we only have 10 case at that points) and all school was closed and thousands of beds were set up to prepare. Now the case number rose to 50 but we still got it under control. I used to think people in Vietnam got scared to soon but now I'm glad that they did

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gregory

Yes - Vietnam is another country that has been praised for getting it right.

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katrinka
1 hour ago, gregory said:

Festivals etc have a LOT of people VERY close together - not to mention they get into hugging, shouting into each other's faces etc. If I were still at work, the person nearest to me in our open office was about 12 feet away. In a stadium - rubbing shoulders (and it can survive on fabric for 10+ hours.) Public transport - carry sanitiser, clean your hands if you touch something. LARGE group events that's all that much harder.

True. Festivals are dangerous AF.
But not all workplaces are like yours was. We're literally bumping into each other half the time, and the crush in the locker room is every bit as close as the crush in front of the stage at a festival. 
So there's really no good reason to shut down festivals if they're going to spread COVID-19 at work anyway. 

1 hour ago, gregory said:

And yes - the poor will have it harder - not just the undocumented. They just published the likely stats for the deprived areas of the UK - not least parts of London. Where life expectancy for women is actually falling as it is. Even so - Taiwan isn't hugely rich, and they have done better than anyone else. And not primarily by spending a bundle.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/how-taiwan-is-containing-coronavirus-despite-diplomatic-isolation-by-china

The undocumented people who remain free have about the same odds as the rest of us. Maybe better, if they work on some remote ranch. 
But the ones in the concentration camps are probably being decimated as we speak.

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ilweran

My husband is off work now as he's ill, we don't think it's Coronavirus as the symptoms don't match, but he may or may not be more vulnerable as he has a chronic health condition (we think maybe not? Our main concern is anti-waste measures mean he can only have a months supply of his meds at a time, but if he gets ill enough he needs to take extra...) plus his work colleagues are getting a bit 🤨 about him being in work coughing.

 

I imagine I could be working from home soon.  There's been a lot of discussion about it. Luckily I walk to work, no public transport, and we're a small organisation so I'm not cooped up with hundreds of people.

 

If the UK does go into lockdown I have plans to keep us all occupied if we're not ill. Plenty to do around the house, and a fair amount of educational things to keep my six year old learning if we don't get anything from the school.

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katrinka
29 minutes ago, FLizarraga said:

Fortunately, governmental health institutions such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have kept Spanish pages for many, many years now, and still do. I have had the honor of contributing to them.

Respect. ❤️

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Rupicapra

Instead of Porn, Netflix and Amazon Prime and the Amazon library should be free for everybody for a few months. They used to give people a taster month or so for free, didn't they? Just extend it to two! Good advertisement too! Imma gonna send them an email!!!

Or people share their licenses!

 

Things on my to do list for the case of lockdown:

Go through my cookbooks and find recipes i should try

Knit some socks

Sew some tarot bags

Check in on my neighbours

Write emails tho friends I'm not in touch with a lot

Declutter the house

Make sure i get fresh air everyday

Catch up with my tarot podcast and non-tarot podcasts too

Finally unwrap the pilates dvd mum sent me months ago

Check in regularly with my nurse friend

 

That'll keep me busy for a while i think.

 

 

 

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Grandma
35 minutes ago, katrinka said:

the crush in the locker room is every bit as close as the crush in front of the stage at a festival. 
So there's really no good reason to shut down festivals if they're going to spread COVID-19 at work anyway. 

I think the difference is the numbers of people and the periods of exposure.  Unless there are hundreds of people in the locker room whooping it up and shouting and singing and hugging each other and they are doing it for hours, it's really not like the crush at the front of the stage.  That being said, I would not want to be in such a crowded locker room either.  

 

Luckily my decisions are easy.  I'm retired and there is nowhere I need to be.  The most important place I go right now is the gym and I'm going to try working out at home for a while.  My grandson can run errands for me.  I'm not scared of getting the virus myself, although I'd rather not!  I'm more concerned that I may already have it - I've foolishly not taken precautions such as washing my hands after grocery shopping and so forth, and for all I know I'm infected and infectious.  

 

 

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gregory

Oh NICE one - free netflix, please.

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katrinka
37 minutes ago, Grandma said:

I think the difference is the numbers of people and the periods of exposure.  Unless there are hundreds of people in the locker room whooping it up and shouting and singing and hugging each other and they are doing it for hours, it's really not like the crush at the front of the stage.  That being said, I would not want to be in such a crowded locker room either. 

It doesn't take hours to get infected. It takes very little and can happen very quickly. That's where all the "Wash your hands, don't touch your face" talk comes from.  And yes, each shift numbers in the hundreds. Like most workplaces, people are somber going in, but there's a good deal of whooping on the way out.
And I've not seen hugging in front of the stage at any show I've attended. Elsewhere, yes, if you run into someone you know. But people who crowd to the front are totally focused on the show.

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FLizarraga
1 hour ago, Marigold said:

Are there any other languages besides English and Spanish on the CDC's website? (I heard first about the CDC in the Walking Dead - lol-)

 

Oh wait, hang on... I can check that myself. Sorry !!

English and Spanish only. Some government sites are also in Creole (Haitian French Creole, to be exact).

1 hour ago, katrinka said:

Respect. ❤️

Thanks!

 

I had an eerie experience once, though. When the first HIV kit tests were created, I translated the instructions into Spanish for them. Then at one point I went to a Miami clinic to get tested, and the person who gave me the test gave me the instructions IN MY OWN WORDS. It was... bizarre, to say the least.

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Grandma
20 minutes ago, katrinka said:

It doesn't take hours to get infected. It takes very little and can happen very quickly.

Absolutely true, but the longer people are crowded together, the more opportunities for the very little very quick infection to happen.  It's true that even if festivals are shut down people will continue to spread Covid-19 at work anyway.  But the total number of opportunities for the virus to spread will be decimated.  

 

 

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ilweran

Being a huge Tolkien fan, I've found he has a quote for most occasions, particularly dark or difficult times -

 

“I wish it need not have happened in my time,” said Frodo.
“So do I,” said Gandalf, “and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

J.R.R. Tolkien – The Fellowship of The Ring

 

Though to be fair this particular one has been on my mind for the last year or more, what with everything else that has been going on in the world.

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