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Raggydoll

There is progress made in how they treat the worst cases of covid-19. An experimental treatment based on a combination of two type of medications are currently being tested; a drug designed to treat malaria is combined with antibiotics, and this has so far shown really promising effects. It seems as if the acute inflammation in the lungs are lessened and there is also a reduced risk of bacterial infections as an added complication to the viral pneumonia. The amount of days that the patient is contagious also seem to be greatly reduced. WHO is therefore encouraging specialists around the world to test this treatment and document it in a coherent way so that the results will be as clear and comparable as possible. They are now giving this treatment to the worst cases in Sweden too, and hopefully there will be a preliminary evaluation shared soon. Here is the article if you wish to read it:

 

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-as-a-treatment-of-covid-19/

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Marigold
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Raggydoll, you give really good info. You seem to have some excellent sources. Please continue whenever you can to give us your snippets of real news. It's encouraging what you mentioned about this combination of drugs. 

 

Cuba is sending about 50 doctors to Italy. They were in the front line of Ebola so are used to crises. The Cubans have some of the the best doctors in the world. 

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katrinka

My dogs wouldn't.

And they would be disappointed to find out there is no massive lasagne-zilla.

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Marigold

Your dogs wouldn't do what??

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Raggydoll
1 hour ago, Marigold said:

Raggydoll, you give really good info. You seem to have some excellent sources. Please continue whenever you can to give us your snippets of real news. It's encouraging what you mentioned about this combination of drugs. 

 

Cuba is sending about 50 doctors to Italy. They were in the front line of Ebola so are used to crises. The Cubans have some of the the best doctors in the world. 

Of course, I’ll update whenever I see something of particular interest. To those that don’t mind reading scientific material, here are some good links.

 

This fresh article from Journal of Medical Virology reviews previous medical studies and also summarize what we know about covid19:

 

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25722

 

This is where you go for scientific research articles:

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=covid 19&pos=2

 

Scroll down and as you find articles you like to read, click for full text links. Many articles about covid-19 are made free in full text. 

 

There have been new statistics published in Italy and it emphasizes even further how older men with severe underlying medical conditions are over represented among the deceased. Smoking is of course a huge risk factor, and so is high blood pressure and diabetes. As far as I am aware, those with well treated hypertension are not at the same risk of complications. So if you are on blood pressure medication and it’s been working good for you then that lessens the risk. 

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gregory
3 hours ago, katrinka said:

My dogs wouldn't.

And they would be disappointed to find out there is no massive lasagne-zilla.

That's what they all say.

 

But that lasagne was priceless.

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Raggydoll

I found this article highly interesting. It is looking at the statistics for common flu in Italy. It turns out that Italy has had multiple really bad flu seasons lately where a much larger number or people (mainly elderly) died in Italy than compared with other EU countries. 

 

Some highlights from the article are below:

 

 

In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.

More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.

Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly.

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geoxena
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On 3/20/2020 at 1:16 AM, katrinka said:

Huh, this is strange. 
I've had a chronic dry, croupy cough/chest congestion that I attributed to catching three colds back to back starting around New Year. And if I walk at a fast clip, I get a little shortness of breath. But this sounds just like it. Maybe I've had a very mild strain all this time. 

That man's cough, and yours, sound very much like mine.  I mentioned somewhere that I've had a lingering dry cough and very slight wheezing and chest congestion for a while now, but no fever or aches.  I've been trying to remember when it started and I think it was around the end of Jan., beginning of Feb.  I never got a flu shot this year, but I rarely get sick.  When this started, I thought I was getting a cold, but it never really became that.  Occasionally I need to blow my nose, but that's it.  I'm trying to limit my interactions with others in case I'm a carrier.  😷 

 

I hope this goes away soon, as it's really annoying.  Once in a while I have a coughing fit and my throat stays irritated afterwards.  Lozenges help, but I'm really tired of coughing and clearing my throat all the time!

 

 

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53rdspirit
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Changed my mind. Deleted. 

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Raggydoll

New study: Smokers and ex-smokers have a 14 times higher risk of complications from covid-19. Even vaping proves to put you at a much higher risk. Perhaps this is not so surprising for most of us but it could explain the especially high mortality rates in some countries where smoking is much more common.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/smoking-or-vaping-may-increase-the-risk-of-a-severe-coronavirus-infection1/

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Marigold
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2 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

I found this article highly interesting. It is looking at the statistics for common flu in Italy. It turns out that Italy has had multiple really bad flu seasons lately where a much larger number or people (mainly elderly) died in Italy than compared with other EU countries. 

 

Some highlights from the article are below:

 

 

In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.

More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.

Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly.

Thanks again for this raggydoll. I read that the experts are also puzzled as to why Germany has such a low incidence of deaths. Very low indeed. In spite of the high population of elderly. So it seems more and more clear as has been pointed out several times in various places, that not all countries have the same method for counting deaths. Like Italy who are probably counting all deaths in hospital of people diagnosed with Covid-19, without it necessarily being the cause of their death. It's difficult to know what causes death in the case of multiple underlying causes. And they don't have time for autopsies. 

 

Statistics should always be viewed with a critical eye. 

 

And of course, we'll never ever know how many people are or have been infected. That can only be estimated. But there must be multiple people going under the radar who were never tested and who are now recovered. 

 

It does make me feel a bit better to know that the death incidence may be lower than they say. It's not nice to think of all these people dying in hospitals who are stretched already to their extremes or even more. I feel so sad for them deprived of the comfort of their family in those distressing moments. 

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Raggydoll

Another thing that we mustn’t forget to mention is that 85% of the covid19 patients that have received hospital care in Italy are now recovered. 

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joy
3 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

Another thing that we mustn’t forget to mention is that 85% of the covid19 patients that have received hospital care in Italy are now recovered. 

Right!!!

 

We have 1 confirmed case now.... Well that was to be expected with all that tourism coming and going.... Now there will be one last pre-confirmed flight on Wednesday going back to the UK but just taking people out and not bringing in any.... Feels a bit strange.... but medical aid is exempted and we too have nurses from Cuba her since Saturday.....

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53rdspirit
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Changed my mind. Deleted.

 

 

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katrinka
6 hours ago, geoxena said:

That man's cough, and yours, sound very much like mine.  I mentioned somewhere that I've had a lingering dry cough and very slight wheezing and chest congestion for a while now, but no fever or aches.  I've been trying to remember when it started and I think it was around the end of Jan., beginning of Feb.  I never got a flu shot this year, but I rarely get sick.  When this started, I thought I was getting a cold, but it never really became that.  Occasionally I need to blow my nose, but that's it.  I'm trying to limit my interactions with others in case I'm a carrier.  😷 

 

I hope this goes away soon, as it's really annoying.  Once in a while I have a coughing fit and my throat stays irritated afterwards.  Lozenges help, but I'm really tired of coughing and clearing my throat all the time!

 

 

According to TCM, it's caused by damp heat in the lungs. I'm taking a Chinese patent remedy called Qing Fei Huo Wan. You can find it online and order it. It does seem to be helping. 

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geoxena
2 minutes ago, katrinka said:

According to TCM, it's caused by damp heat in the lungs. I'm taking a Chinese patent remedy called Qing Fei Huo Wan. You can find it online and order it. It does seem to be helping. 

What's TCM - Traditional Chinese Medicine? (just guessing)

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katrinka

Yes. 😊

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Odin
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Boss - who's past 70 years old - isn't letting me to go to work since I have to travel on the sub, and he seems terrified of anyone catching the virus. I'm the only one at work who he couldn't match up with another collegue to travel by car. The only guy passing by my home starts work earlier than I, so...

But I'm not complaining, I still get paid 🙂 Been at home since Wednesday. Mostly playing State of Decay 2 to pass time. (Usually I should be in bed right now since it's 1.30 local time.)

We'll see when this blows over and I'm allowed back 😷

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bastetly
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Costco is opening early for seniors and disabled on Tues and Thursdays.  First thing in the AM is when the store is the cleanest. 

 

Staying home (alone) for me is a treat and also the norm.  I'm watching The Monkees  😄  w all my furbabies. 

Found a whole unopened box of med-grade masks in my car console!  I've no idea what I'd bought them for, unless thinking smoke might have become a problem last summer and fall, and the one before that and the one before that.  But our coastal winds are pretty regular.

 

I've hoarded paper for decades in the form of ripped-out articles, hand-written mat'ls and print-outs.  Info I thought I needed, that was never gone through and filed.  Today I made a nice dent in that dust covered crap, finally ready to acknowledge that most info can be gleaned more quickly (and more currently) fm the internet  duh.   ooooo I just now realized I shd probably be wearing a mask while handling all that old paper!  I've turned the corner!!  All going to recycling. 

 

Feeling strangely energized.  Think it's having to be on higher alert bc of pandemic and recent threat fm shady neighbors.  Keeping all kitties indoors for (possible) vengeful neighbor safety.  I'm fighting back and I like it.  I feel more alive.  I've been nicer online, and encouraging to my Nextdoor.com neighbors.   I feel so verbally friendly w everyone I meet Ha!    But I try to be good and stay home.

Best wishes everyone. 

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Raggydoll
5 minutes ago, gregory said:

Good GRIEF..

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/virus-rebels-france-florida-flout-072721740.html

 

Please no-one be this STUPID.

Yeah, horrible. Culture and politics make all the difference. Some people wonder why Italy has not had the same great results from quarantine as China did. Well, in China they bolted a lot of doors and they also shot one person who violated the quarantine. And in the first week of quarantine in Italy they had to fine 50 000 people for breaking the rules. Compliance in a free country is not the same as in a dictatorship. And so more people will have to die. 

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gregory

RIGHT ON.

 

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