Timestamps on Questions asked in the Tarot Exchange Forum For Astrological Study Purposes

[Astromama]

Hi, respected fellow forum members and technical wizards!

 

Horary astrology uses the time a question is asked to draw a chart of the positions of the planets in the heavens.  The premise is, "As above, so below," so at the moment the question is asked, the stars are aligned to answer the question, elegantly and precisely.  Unfortunately, this traditional method is not widely known or practiced in the current day.

 

I am new to the forums here, and interested in looking for horary questions for tutorial purposes here on the forum.  I noticed that when questions are asked of the readers on the Tarot Exchange forum, the time is posted with the question the querent asked.  This suggests a potential treasure trove for the purposes of horary study.  This resource may be a lovely way for horary astrologers to get in some much-needed practice reading charts!

 

Practically speaking, it might be best to permit the astrologers to choose which of the many questions on the tarot forum to work with.  Horary works better for some questions than others, in that it is very practical and works better with concrete matters as opposed to spiritual ones.  One skill the astrologer needs to develop is to be able to identify right away which questions are workable.  One approach would simply be to form a group to study existing questions and hand-pick the ones that are best adapted to horary analysis.  

 

First, I want to be sure to respect protocol.   Has this sort of study been done before?  If not, do we prefer to see it posted on the astrology forum, on the tarot exchange forum, or in a dedicated work group as described above?  Do we need to ask permission of the tarot querents and/or tarot readers to use horary techniques to answer their questions? 

 

Or would it simply be best for an individual or work group to offer horary readings on the Tarot Exchange list, which would not involve so much re-inventing of the wheel. . . .?

 

Ideas, pros or cons?

 

That's my first question.

 

Secondly, A horary chart requires a question, a time, and a place.  I assume that the time that appears on the timestamp when a question is posted is the time in my time zone, not theirs.  Am I correct?   I just need to pinpoint the meaning of what is documented by the timestamp as precisely as I can.

 

Thank you for all the time and attention to detail that is devoted to the functioning of this forum!!  I look forward to your response.

 

Blessings,

 

--A

 

  

[ashwsh]

If it is permitted on the forum and if you are okay, I would love to sit for it. 

[Little Fang]

@Astromama I just want to address one thing:

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Practically speaking, it might be best to permit the astrologers to choose which of the many questions on the tarot forum to work with.

Consent is VERY important.  Please do not read for anybody without their permission to. 🙂 Thank you! 

[Astromama]

Thank you, @Little Fang. 

 

Agreed.  It makes sense from both perspectives.  Consent is the only way for the astrologers to get feedback from the forum participants, as well.  Without it, there is not much point in pursuing these readings.  It could be a win-win, if we find some willing astrologers and participants from the forum.

 

I'm glad to have your input on this, since we would need to keep everything within the existing rules of the forum.

 

Any other ideas or input are also welcome!

 

Hi, @ashwsh!

 

It's lovely to have your support.  It means so much to me.  Feel free to let me know if you were interested in receiving a reading, or studying horary astrology.  You don't have to answer here--you can contact me by pm if you like.  Please don't feel pressured, but I can recommend some resources in the interim if you are considering making a study of traditional horary.     

 

All Blessings, 

 

--A

 

 

 

 

[FindYourSovereignty]

38 minutes ago, Little Fang said:

@Astromama I just want to address one thing:

Consent is VERY important.  Please do not read for anybody without their permission to. 🙂 Thank you! 

 

Thank you.

 

This is very important to me. Not only consent, but an actual exchange of energy with the learning that is taking place. 

[ashwsh]

1 hour ago, Astromama said:

 

Hi, @ashwsh!

 

It's lovely to have your support.  It means so much to me.  Feel free to let me know if you were interested in receiving a reading, or studying horary astrology.  You don't have to answer here--you can contact me by pm if you like.  Please don't feel pressured, but I can recommend some resources in the interim if you are considering making a study of traditional horary.     

Hi @Astromama 

 

thank you!

I’m interested in both, a reading and learning. 

I have few astrologers in my family, but they prefer not to read for the family members. Only one distant uncle reads for me, but that is mostly traditional astrology and has been very pretty spot on.

I may need to start at a very basic level.
 

regards

[Astromama]

@FindYourSovereignty, thanks for your thoughts.  Do you feel like the process would work better if we approached the querents and tarot readers on closed threads only after their initial readings were complete?  We don't want to intrude overlapping readings on anyone, to keep the energies clear.

[Astromama]

@ashwsh, I'm pleased to hear of your interest!  You might want to visit us at the astrology sub-forum to introduce yourself and pick up some pointers.  We don't bite!  https://www.thetarotforum.com/forums/forum/42-astrology/

 

Here is a link to Deborah Houlding's introduction to horary astrology.  Horary was formerly the beginning point of astrological studies in Western astrology before modern astrology was introduced:  https://www.skyscript.co.uk/horary_intro.html 

 

Just send me a note via pm if we need to make a different starting point, and I will look for additional resources for you to begin your studies.

[ashwsh]

1 hour ago, Astromama said:

@ashwsh, I'm pleased to hear of your interest!  You might want to visit us at the astrology sub-forum to introduce yourself and pick up some pointers.  We don't bite!  https://www.thetarotforum.com/forums/forum/42-astrology/

 

Here is a link to Deborah Houlding's introduction to horary astrology.  Horary was formerly the beginning point of astrological studies in Western astrology before modern astrology was introduced:  https://www.skyscript.co.uk/horary_intro.html 

 

Just send me a note via pm if we need to make a different starting point, and I will look for additional resources for you to begin your studies.

Thanks Astronama, will go through this and will get back to you with my questions.

[FindYourSovereignty]

2 hours ago, Astromama said:

@FindYourSovereignty, thanks for your thoughts.  Do you feel like the process would work better if we approached the querents and tarot readers on closed threads only after their initial readings were complete?  We don't want to intrude overlapping readings on anyone, to keep the energies clear.

It seems that for most readings there is a formal thread request for volunteers that would like to participate and the readings evolve from those, but that has just been my experience in the forum. 

[Raggydoll]

Are you thinking about approaching people that have posted in Personal Readings or in the Exchanges? To be honest, I see this as problematic. For personal readings, I there are at least three considerations:

 

1. People like to move on and I’ve had messages in the past from those that asked me to lock their thread because they kept getting replies long after the fact 

2. It becomes irrelevant since the situation has passed 

3. The ones that helped the TS might feel like you are coming in and second guessing them, with the benefit of having all the information of all the replies laid out for you. 

 

If you were considering approaching someone who has done a reading for someone else to ask if you too can read on their sitters question, then that’s just awkward in so many ways. But I’m hoping you didn’t mean that? 

 

I will suggest that you start your own thread and look for people who have full information from the start and can consent to your reading techniques. You won’t struggle to find new sitters! Also, all of this has to be done openly on the forum so that we can make sure that all rules are met. We generally do not recommend anyone approaching strangers via pm in order to try and get them to sit for you. Even when there is no money involved. (If money is involved then it would be a bannable offense to try and gain customers via pm, and it’s also not allowed to perform readings via pm. I’m sure you knew that already but I wanted to mention it anyway 🙂)

 

[Astromama]

@Raggydoll

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I will suggest that you start your own thread and look for people who have full information from the start and can consent to your reading techniques. You won’t struggle to find new sitters! Also, all of this has to be done openly on the forum so that we can make sure that all rules are met.

 

I appreciate the information you've shared, and I agree that your points are all valid.  I defer to  your experience moderating tarot exchange.  Ethical concerns are always a priority where readings are concerned.  

 

Just to clarify, my proposal is hypothetical, since my purpose is to access consent to research questions using horary techniques not only for myself, but for a horary study group that does not yet exist!  I want to be clear on any technical or ethical concerns before I approach other astrologers about setting up a study group.  The step I'm engaged in here is necessary research on my own behalf, nothing more.    

 

It looks like we would be breaking new ground, both in offering horary readings on the tarot exchange, as well as offering the option of allowing the question to be studied by a horary study group.   

 

I wonder if you might consider permitting me to offer horary readings in exchange for feedback and or/consent for group study? 

Alternately, I could offer Lenormand astrological readings for feedback with the option of consent for horary group study, if that would be permissible.

 

Horary questions probably differ from most tarot readings in a few important ways, which we would be able to recount to potential sitters before they sign up.  

 

1) Horary tends to be predictive rather than advisory.  The time frames for feedback can extend up to a year, so this is something of a commitment.  Based on your remarks above, the study group might need prior consent to contact the sitter after a year has transpired to check on the outcome of a question.  

 

2) We need to be able to screen out questions which fall outside our ability to answer, like ones that are premature or ones where there is nothing to be done to change the situation because it has actually already played out.  The timing of the question will give us this kind of information when we examine the chart.

 

3).  Horary works best with practical matters that are outside the querent's control.  We can offer some examples of questions, like: "When will my house sell?", "Will I get a raise?", "Will my sister's wedding take place as planned?", "Will my son have surgery?", or "Will I meet my future spouse this year?", etc.   

 

4).  Some astrologers decline to answer "Should I?" questions.  (I'm one).  IMHO, unclear questions lead to unclear answers.  The question may need to be re-phrased to express the querent's priorities so the answer can be made explicit.  When a question is vague, the astrologer needs permission to re-engage with the querent in a process which will allow a more solid question to emerge. 

 

That's the gist of it so far.  There is probably a lot more to work out in beginning a new study group, when and if the opportunity opens up.  That's another phase.  I'm open to any suggestions or resources you'd like to share on this subject as well.

 

Many thanks for your attention to my inquiries!

It is such a pleasure to work among professionals.

 

Blessings,

 

--A

 

 

[Raggydoll]

16 minutes ago, Astromama said:

@Raggydoll

 

I appreciate the information you've shared, and I agree that your points are all valid.  I defer to  your experience moderating tarot exchange.  Ethical concerns are always a priority where readings are concerned.  

 

Just to clarify, my proposal is hypothetical, since my purpose is to access consent to research questions using horary techniques not only for myself, but for a horary study group that does not yet exist!  I want to be clear on any technical or ethical concerns before I approach other astrologers about setting up a study group.  The step I'm engaged in here is necessary research on my own behalf, nothing more.    

 

It looks like we would be breaking new ground, both in offering horary readings on the tarot exchange, as well as offering the option of allowing the question to be studied by a horary study group.   

 

I wonder if you might consider permitting me to offer horary readings in exchange for feedback and or/consent for group study? 

Alternately, I could offer Lenormand astrological readings for feedback with the option of consent for horary group study, if that would be permissible.

 

Horary questions probably differ from most tarot readings in a few important ways, which we would be able to recount to potential sitters before they sign up.  

 

1) Horary tends to be predictive rather than advisory.  The time frames for feedback can extend up to a year, so this is something of a commitment.  Based on your remarks above, the study group might need prior consent to contact the sitter after a year has transpired to check on the outcome of a question.  

 

2) We need to be able to screen out questions which fall outside our ability to answer, like ones that are premature or ones where there is nothing to be done to change the situation because it has actually already played out.  The timing of the question will give us this kind of information when we examine the chart.

 

3).  Horary works best with practical matters that are outside the querent's control.  We can offer some examples of questions, like: "When will my house sell?", "Will I get a raise?", "Will my sister's wedding take place as planned?", "Will my son have surgery?", or "Will I meet my future spouse this year?", etc.   

 

4).  Some astrologers decline to answer "Should I?" questions.  (I'm one).  IMHO, unclear questions lead to unclear answers.  The question may need to be re-phrased to express the querent's priorities so the answer can be made explicit.  When a question is vague, the astrologer needs permission to re-engage with the querent in a process which will allow a more solid question to emerge. 

 

That's the gist of it so far.  There is probably a lot more to work out in beginning a new study group, when and if the opportunity opens up.  That's another phase.  I'm open to any suggestions or resources you'd like to share on this subject as well.

 

Many thanks for your attention to my inquiries!

It is such a pleasure to work among professionals.

 

Blessings,

 

--A

 

 

Of course you may offer horary readings for feedback! And feel free to ask those who sign up if they consent to being part of your ‘project’ (for lack of better word). I think this can be a great addition to the forum. 

[Astromama]

@Raggydoll,

 

Thank you for your prompt response and encouraging words!  The sort of information astrologers will be able to gather from closely-timed charts may prove invaluable to their horary studies.  I think this is one of the secrets to William Lilly's success-- he worked so many charts so closely together, that he was able to observe how incremental changes between these charts could play out as each question formed before his eyes. 

 

Horary itself is a teacher like no other when we take the opportunity to apply it this way.

 

And, my final question, which is technical: Does the timestamp show the time where I am, or the time where the querent is?

 

Thank you once again!

 

Blessings,

 

--A

[Little Fang]

I believe the timestamps are based on your time, but I'll have to go out and clarify. ❤️ 

[Astromama]

@Little Fang, that would be super!  I appreciate your support!

 

Gratefully

 

--A

[ashwsh]

On 4/18/2020 at 6:03 PM, Astromama said:

@ashwsh, I'm pleased to hear of your interest!  You might want to visit us at the astrology sub-forum to introduce yourself and pick up some pointers.  We don't bite!  https://www.thetarotforum.com/forums/forum/42-astrology/

 

Here is a link to Deborah Houlding's introduction to horary astrology.  Horary was formerly the beginning point of astrological studies in Western astrology before modern astrology was introduced:  https://www.skyscript.co.uk/horary_intro.html 

 

Just send me a note via pm if we need to make a different starting point, and I will look for additional resources for you to begin your studies.

Hi @Astromama

 

Hope you are well.

I think I need to start from very scratch. I have seen birth charts, I have mine, but never learnt one. It's as good as a new language for me. 

Kindly advise

 

Regards

[Astromama]

Hi, @ashwsh

 

I'm holding up pretty well, thanks.  I hope you are the same! 

 

You've made a good observation.  Astrology is very much a language.  Just as with any new language, you will be learning new "parts of speech" and new grammar to begin to make progress toward speaking that language.  I've been looking around to identify some more basic materials to get you started.  

 

The basic introductory concepts are 7 planets, 12 signs and 12 houses.   You will need to be comfortable with the differences between them, their symbols and their placements on the chart.  There is more, but that is the starting point. 

 

Let's look at this one next.  It teaches Hellenistic astrology, which is the historic beginning of all Western astrology using houses.

 

http://www.sevenstarsastrology.com/twelve-lessons-0-intro-history/

 

If you have questions, feel free to ask on the astrology sub-forum.  I'm sure there are plenty of others just beginning with astrology who will benefit from your enthusiasm to learn!

 

Blessings,

 

--A

 

 

Edited April 23, 2020 by Astromama