gregory Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Can't see a thing on his blog; I don't do facebook... His online catalogue there doesn't show one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decan Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 Let us know if you learn something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decan Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, gregory said: Can't see a thing on his blog; I don't do facebook... His online catalogue there doesn't show one... Yes, the same, I didn’t find anything online, the catalogue was printed and joined to my little parcel. Never mind, 2021 isn’t ended so we will see if something is announced later in the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregory Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I can't really say anything because I don't know what we are talking about, like ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire cat pickles Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) His Facebook is mostly in Italian and is largely historical deck collections. If someone contacts him it may be best if it's done by someone who speaks Italian in order to explain the situation. I'm not sure he understands English well enough to fully understand the implication, judging by the short interactions I've had with him online. Edited July 6, 2021 by fire cat pickles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decan Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) Ah! I found the online catalog (with difficulties)! So I wasn't dreaming!! I think I didn't explain well what I wanted to say, sorry guys! Look here on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/154567044605289/ and search the post of May 25th, there is a link to the catalog 2021 (PDF format). Look at page 19 of the catalogue, the deck is named "the Sybil of Secret 1860", 32 cards in 6 languages with a booklet by Sofya Kuznetsova. I recognized the card "Message" (with Hermes), emblematic in the Bohemian decks (always depicted like that for what I know). The other cards are also part of these decks (but we also find them in the sibilla italiana. I think it's an old bohemian deck of 32 cards, they are generally like that, with titles in several languages below the image (I can be wrong of course). Edited July 6, 2021 by Decan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire cat pickles Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 2 hours ago, gregory said: I can't really say anything because I don't know what we are talking about, like ! I don't know, either. I can't see anything wrong with anything he's said. Is "Sybil" a bad word? He hasn't used the "G" word anywhere in the pdf document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decan Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said: I don't know, either. I can't see anything wrong with anything he's said. Is "Sybil" a bad word? He hasn't used the "G" word anywhere in the pdf document. Absolutely there is no problem about that here, I mentioned this deck here in this thread because I think it is a bohemian deck, but didn’t know exactly when it will be published this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fire cat pickles Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 4 hours ago, gregory said: You know - you could also contact Berti and ask him not to name it that way... though I seem to recall him being rather right wing, so maybe not. This is where my confusion started. Berti would most probably name a deck exactly how it was originally named historically and would not change it. He reproduces historical decks after all. As was mentioned earlier there should be no problem with this. It would be like insisting that we no longer refer to Negro Spirituals as Negro Spirituals because one finds the word "Negro" itself offensive. Silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregory Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) Berti speaks perfectly decent English. In case anyone does want to ask him anything. 4 hours ago, Decan said: Ah! I found the online catalog (with difficulties)! So I wasn't dreaming!! I think I didn't explain well what I wanted to say, sorry guys! Look here on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/154567044605289/ and search the post of May 25th, there is a link to the catalog 2021 (PDF format). This post ? Um..... Can you download it? But yes - looks like a non-issue; I'm just interested. Edited July 6, 2021 by gregory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregory Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 4 hours ago, fire cat pickles said: This is where my confusion started. Berti would most probably name a deck exactly how it was originally named historically and would not change it. He reproduces historical decks after all. As was mentioned earlier there should be no problem with this. It would be like insisting that we no longer refer to Negro Spirituals as Negro Spirituals because one finds the word "Negro" itself offensive. Silly. ACTUALLY (I'm in a choir) we only refer to them as Spirituals these days. And yes - Berti would give a deck its historical title, and that's probably the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katrinka Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 There are two - and not a G word to be seen. I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katrinka Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, gregory said: ACTUALLY (I'm in a choir) we only refer to them as Spirituals these days. It's quite easy communicating without slur words. No loss. 25 minutes ago, gregory said: And yes - Berti would give a deck its historical title, and that's probably the right thing to do. I'm not sure those are historical titles, but I'll take it. I think some of them may have been untitled back in the day? Just "Fortune Cards" or similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bastetly Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 6 hours ago, katrinka said: There are two - and not a G word to be seen. I can live with that. Where did you find this? I want to stay in the loop! Believe me I've searched... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katrinka Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) The facebook post gregory mentioned upthread. They aren't available yet AFAIK. Edited July 7, 2021 by katrinka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decan Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) On 7/6/2021 at 8:25 PM, gregory said: Can you download it? But yes - looks like a non-issue; I'm just interested. Yes, you can open the document with your internet browser or download it, like you want. I'm on Firefox, but when I'm facing something weird a way very simple to solve problems is just to change of internet browser. ETA: to access it, you need to be connected to a personal account on Facebook too I guess. On 7/6/2021 at 8:46 PM, katrinka said: There are two - and not a G word to be seen. I can live with that. The second one is pretty; at first sight I didn't recognize this family of decks, but it's very possible. I can see Fortuna, Death, the first card on the left is likely Visit. Edited July 8, 2021 by Decan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bastetly Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, Decan said: The second one is pretty; at first sight I didn't recognize this family of decks, but it's very possible. I can see Fortuna, Death, the first card on the left is likely Visit. It IS pretty, I noticed that one first. But on 2nd examination, the first one is so EXPRESSIVE. 41 minutes ago, katrinka said: The facebook post gregory mentioned upthread. They aren't available yet AFAIK. Thank you, I scrolled right on past it, not remembering her date notation 🙃 I'll keep an eye out, though I doubt I can afford him 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decan Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 @bastetly it's a little pricey at his shop, there is a handcraft side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reall Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) for archive sake adding these here as well in case someone will provide more info eventually!;) 1st spoted obviously new reproduction on this web: http://etarot.eu/2018.php & museum exhibition listing it as Aufschlag Karten Brüder Willner Teplitz https://zsjesenice.cz/fotogalerie/556-vlastivedne-muzeum-jesenice-karty-osudu-7-9-2012/?albumDetailList-paginator-page=2&albumDetailList-paginator-clicked=1&_fid=4bnd https://zsjesenice.cz/fotogalerie/556-vlastivedne-muzeum-jesenice-karty-osudu-7-9-2012/?albumDetailList-paginator-page=2&albumDetailList-paginator-clicked=1&_fid=4bnd Edited August 28, 2021 by reall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katrinka Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Ah yes. The one everybody wants. It needs to be printed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reall Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 yes, & if printed it's likely with different name as so far no reply from museum & they should know,,,!:// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) And why do everybody want it? 🙂 Is it another form of Bohemian cards? Edited August 30, 2021 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katrinka Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Smilla said: And why do everybody want it? 🙂 I can't speak for everyone, but I think it's the nicest looking deck of that type. 7 minutes ago, Smilla said: Is it another form of Bohemian cards? Yes, The cards match up. Edited August 30, 2021 by katrinka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 minute ago, katrinka said: I can't speak for everyone, but I think it's the nicest looking deck of that type. Yes, The cards match up. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reall Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 (edited) Happy to share my review for another cartomancy gem I was happy to find in my fav EU Tarot Shop recently!:) *il vostro destino by Masenghini combine wahrsage meaning printed in italian on each card & lenormand & sibbila style with playing card insert!:) Note: there is odd symbol on playing cards inserts i was wondering what may be until at closer look it resamble naked lady flying on winged orb?:) lol it's full 52 playing card Bridge size deck with 4 classic suits: hearts spades diamonds clover representing different areas of life & court cards deck F-Jack, Dama=Queen & Rei=King represent people!:) whimsy cartoony illustrations full of details are my fav!(: see pic attached!:) cards are printed on plasticky cardstock similar to Piatnik wahrsage that shuffle well & have that sshwush I like!:) there is also extra blank card & folded instruction in Italian that gives bare basic intro & suit meaning as well as few spreads all in classic tuckbox!^^ I will share some serious readings later but for now i think this may be my fav Pasians aka Solitaire deck as well!^^ lol p.s luv this back design as well!:) it seems to be reversable that would indicate this deck use reversals as well?:) if anyone know about these cards meaning post please!:) Edited October 10, 2021 by reall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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