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On 1/17/2023 at 2:47 AM, Aliki said:

It really depends do you mean showing someone is guilty or if someone's feeling guilty about something they did?

Yes, this.  And it also depends on whether their feelings of guilt are justified or not.

We need to define 'guilt'—or, rather, fine-tune it, in each case—before deciding what card(s) might indicate its presence.

For example, if a querent is feeling guilty about something that isn't actually their fault—we've all seen/experienced this—probably The Devil would be the card I'd pick to indicate that state of mind. The thing about The Devil is that the devil doesn't actually exist except in the querent's mind.  Its influence, once recognised, can be thrown off.

The 9 of Swords indicates an intensity of worry or fear.  A person can get themselves into quite an emotional fankle that makes them unable to sleep at night ...but that doesn't mean their worry is caused by anything they actually did or didn't do.  You can worry a lot about something that will never happen, or blame yourself to the extent that you can't sleep at night for something that actually wasn't your fault.  You can also worry yourself sick over events and happenings—potential or actual—that you have no control over.  The 9 of Swords, coupled with other cards, could certainly indicate guilt (real or imagined) but on its own, in my opinion, it only indicates severe worry and obsession.  I wouldn't assume 'guilt,' just because the card appears in a reading.  

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On 1/19/2023 at 1:10 AM, Chariot said:

Yes, this.  And it also depends on whether their feelings of guilt are justified or not.

We need to define 'guilt'—or, rather, fine-tune it, in each case—before deciding what card(s) might indicate its presence.

For example, if a querent is feeling guilty about something that isn't actually their fault—we've all seen/experienced this—probably The Devil would be the card I'd pick to indicate that state of mind. The thing about The Devil is that the devil doesn't actually exist except in the querent's mind.  Its influence, once recognised, can be thrown off.

The 9 of Swords indicates an intensity of worry or fear.  A person can get themselves into quite an emotional fankle that makes them unable to sleep at night ...but that doesn't mean their worry is caused by anything they actually did or didn't do.  You can worry a lot about something that will never happen, or blame yourself to the extent that you can't sleep at night for something that actually wasn't your fault.  You can also worry yourself sick over events and happenings—potential or actual—that you have no control over.  The 9 of Swords, coupled with other cards, could certainly indicate guilt (real or imagined) but on its own, in my opinion, it only indicates severe worry and obsession.  I wouldn't assume 'guilt,' just because the card appears in a reading.  

It really depends i think few weeks ago i got my exs court card with the 9 of swords and the 4 of swords he ended up calling me definitely not sober at a horrible condition telling me he's sorry about everything etc i think i also seen 6 of cups somewhere in the read or in another he popped up before so i always see 9 of swords whenever I'm feeling it intuitively thought as that phrase "how can you sleep at nigh" (cause of the guilt) and also as someone who's having nightmares or seeing someone in dreams who may feel guilty about something they did to them which was also accurate from what i heard in my case it can have multiple meanings thought like depression crying etc but it can be a strong indicator of the feeling of guilt alone to my opinion 

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12 hours ago, Aliki said:

It really depends i think few weeks ago i got my exs court card with the 9 of swords and the 4 of swords he ended up calling me definitely not sober at a horrible condition telling me he's sorry about everything etc i think i also seen 6 of cups somewhere in the read or in another he popped up before so i always see 9 of swords whenever I'm feeling it intuitively thought as that phrase "how can you sleep at nigh" (cause of the guilt) and also as someone who's having nightmares or seeing someone in dreams who may feel guilty about something they did to them which was also accurate from what i heard in my case it can have multiple meanings thought like depression crying etc but it can be a strong indicator of the feeling of guilt alone to my opinion 

Yeah, it's about whatever is keeping the person awake at night.  It can certainly be a feeling of guilt, that they've done something very wrong and hurt someone.  However, I've got that card a lot when I'm just worrying about something ...health issues, financial problems, inability to cope with demands, fear of failure, etc.  For me it just indicates excessive worry or fear. The cause can be whatever is bothering me at the time.  I would never assume the 9 of Swords always means 'guilt' unless the circumstances call for that interpretation.

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11 hours ago, Chariot said:

Yeah, it's about whatever is keeping the person awake at night.  It can certainly be a feeling of guilt, that they've done something very wrong and hurt someone.  However, I've got that card a lot when I'm just worrying about something ...health issues, financial problems, inability to cope with demands, fear of failure, etc.  For me it just indicates excessive worry or fear. The cause can be whatever is bothering me at the time.  I would never assume the 9 of Swords always means 'guilt' unless the circumstances call for that interpretation.

Yes when i get it for myself it's also severe anxiety nightmares i see prophetic dreams thought so they're not about guilt insomnia depression/sadness or cry worrying etc

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As with all Tarot, context is important. But with the general concept of guilt in mind, I can think of several cards that fit.

 

The Devil is all about giving into one's worst instincts...guilt surely being among them. The Tower can be when guilt finally has no choice but to express itself. 5 of Swords could have guilt be the barrier you cannot cross. Ditto the 8 of Swords. Finally, the overwhelming burden of the 10 of Wands could well be grief.

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I think the 5 of Swords can depict guilt. The card usually indicates some sort of unpleasant 'victory' that makes people miserable, or feel humiliated or unfairly done-by.  If the person who has won this victory is the Seeker in a reading, they might feel guilty about the methods they used to achieve their victory, or the way they gloated over it afterwards.  Example: The Seeker deliberately got her younger sister in BIG trouble by telling lies about the younger sister's behaviour.  The parents believed the Seeker's story, and punished the younger sister.

 

The 7 of Swords can also reflect guilt—a different kind of guilt from the 5 of Swords.  The 7 of Swords is more about sneakiness or clandestine moves that deprive somebody else of something.  Perhaps the person who has lost something isn't even aware of it ...yet.  This might be a good thing in some readings, if the moral position of the Seeker is solid, and the stealing was morally justified. But if it's not, this card can indicate a sneaky action that the Seeker should feel guilty about.  Example:  The Seeker stole money from her mother's purse in order to buy something fun for herself.  Her mother might not even miss the money—at least not immediately—but the Seeker knows she was wrong to steal it.

On a more elemental level, the Judgement card can also mean 'guilt' depending on what else is happening in the reading.  The Seeker may judge themselves, or be judged by others, as gravely at fault.  The guilt associated with a negative aspect of this card can be massive and long-lasting—the kind of thing a person can spend their entire lifetime trying to make atonement for.  Interestingly, the guilt associated with this card may be way out of proportion to what the Seeker thinks they are responsible for.  Example:  The Seeker is convinced that, as a child, they 'caused' their parents to get divorced by getting in trouble and bringing shame on the family, so they refuse to ever get married themselves 'for fear' of putting a child of their own in this kind of position.  (Punishment and forgiveness are also aspects of Judgement, which is something to consider.)

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5 of Cups as focusing on negative side, on wrongs, flaws. Depending on context, can be ungrounded, like too much self criticism. Reversed would be forgiveness then, letting go.

5 of Swords reversed, as regrets about what was done (damage). And with this card, I'd say something was done for sure. And If the card is upright, probably person doesn't feel guilty at all for what was done. 

10 of Wands - guilt as a heavy weight to carry.

9 of Swords - thoughts about guilt are not letting one sleep, replay of the situation in ones head, emotional suffering.

Justice reversed, Judgement reversed, obviously.

Hierophant reversed - maybe as judging over something morally unacceptable, like a sin - with this card alone it's unclear though how substantial the "sin" was... "Morally unacceptable" can mean different things to different people.

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if I had to choose one card it would be the nine of swords

It is a card of burdens that are carried, the burdens being the chains that bind us, it is associated with guilt because it can be that in life we are bound by something that is limiting us from living the life we want to live.

 

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I think the deck image and meanings can help to this becomes more clear.

Cosmic Deck 5 and 8 of cups gives a strong vibe of remorse. 

The RWS 9 of swords can be seeing like that as well.

But a combo with 5 of cups and 9 of swords would point that to me easily.

 

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On 5/29/2020 at 7:13 PM, SparklePuffy said:

I would probably not see guilt per se in a certain card or cards, but it could come up if they see a situation that they feel guilty about.

 

One person saw a baby, and that prompted a conversation. But I could imagine guilt being related to the Pope card! High Priestess is a possibility for secrets. Maybe the 8 of Cups figure is leaving due to guilt, etc.

The High Priestess is a keeper of secrets but in order to see her as meaning someone is guilty of doing or not doing something, she'd have to be in a reversed or negative position.

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18 hours ago, Grizabella said:

The High Priestess is a keeper of secrets but in order to see her as meaning someone is guilty of doing or not doing something, she'd have to be in a reversed or negative position.

I would even take a step further and say I don't see guilt from HP at all.

 

She may appear in a spread where other cards show guilt ... for example the guilt had to do with an older woman. Or the guilt had to do with keeping or betraying a secret ... but HP herself has nothing to do with guilt as I read her.

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Grizabella
4 hours ago, Misterei said:

I would even take a step further and say I don't see guilt from HP at all.

 

She may appear in a spread where other cards show guilt ... for example the guilt had to do with an older woman. Or the guilt had to do with keeping or betraying a secret ... but HP herself has nothing to do with guilt as I read her.

You're right. I agree with you. I don't know why I was thinking she'd be involved at all with guilt on her own, even reversed. It really would depend on the other cards in the spread and the question, of course.  She's a keeper of secrets but not guilty secrets.  She's mostly the keeper of spiritual secrets, I think.

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On 5/1/2023 at 7:28 PM, Grizabella said:

You're right. I agree with you. I don't know why I was thinking she'd be involved at all with guilt on her own, even reversed. It really would depend on the other cards in the spread and the question, of course.  She's a keeper of secrets but not guilty secrets.  She's mostly the keeper of spiritual secrets, I think.

At the higher levels, yes, spiritual secrets. On a lower level I might see HP reversed or in negative yogas as someone blabbing or gossiping when they should keep their mouth shut ... but this isn't guilt per se ... it might be a nuance around the situation which we see from other cards and the question as you say.

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The 5 of Cups could suggest feelings of disappointment, regret, or sadness, it may not capture the full range of emotions associated with guilt. Guilt often involves a sense of responsibility, remorse, and self-blame, which can be explored through various cards and their interactions.

Here are a few cards that are commonly associated with guilt or related themes:

  1. The Devil: This card can represent feelings of guilt and being trapped in negative patterns or behaviors. It may reflect a sense of self-blame or the influence of external factors contributing to guilt.

  2. The 9 of Swords: This card often depicts anxiety, worry, and self-torment. It can indicate a heavy burden of guilt and the mental anguish that accompanies it.

  3. The 7 of Cups: This card can represent confusion, illusions, and a lack of clarity. In the context of guilt, it may reflect the struggle to make sense of one's actions or choices, leading to feelings of guilt or remorse.

 

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For me, I might read guilt from 7 of Swords Reversed, 3 of Swords, 5 of Cups and yes, possibly 9 of Swords... it kind of depends on the overall story the cards are telling and which cards may already have been used (and therefore not available) in the reading to show guilt.

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I'd say the 5 of Swords upright and reversed +Judgement/5 of Cups, 7 of Swords up right and reversed+Judgement/5 of Cups, 5 of Cups and Judgement.... I think the 5 of Pentacles after these too. Nothing makes you regret a decision more than loosing it all. 

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