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  1. I was thinking this morning that the Emperor would surely also be very benevolent. He shares his wealth and all that he has willingly with all his subjects.
  2. Some think the Papesse represents the Virgin mother. Mary for the Christians in that case. But I think it's more universal, i.e. she represents the Sacred or Divine Feminine.
  3. Ah yes. Well put, Flaxen. Worldy one and Spiritual one. I would assume that the Pape is compassionate and willing to forgive our errors and trespasses. What loving father wouldn't? Do you see the Emperor as a disciplinarian ? I suppose in a way he is. Or perhaps the teacher of discipline. If we go into theology here (and the Tarot of Marseilles is full of theology due to the era in which it was designed), perhaps the Emperor would represent the Mosaic law (do not kill, do not steal, do not covet your neighbour's house, etc.), and the Pape the new law of the New Testament, i.e. "Love your neighbour as yourself". From discipline to love. There's always a constant evolution going on in the Tarot. Always higher and higher as we go along on the journey of initiation. I didn't remember that the Church was considered as female. Interesting fact to add to this thread. What would the church have meant to these people who designed and used the Tarot ? They were probably considered pretty heretical by the powers at the time (even today, the Tarot is deeply frowned on by churches I believe).
  4. I see we're allowed to post stuff from Aeclectic. I don't know if whole posts can be copied, but this is one that I made once, and I'd really love to continue this topic if anyone is interested. (I was "Diana" on Aeclectic eons ago). And if I don't copy the whole post, the discussion can't continue as is needs to have the original introduction. ************************* There are two fathers in the Tarot. IIII and V. (Actually, there are three fathers. The Hermit is a father too, but of another nature). See, they even follow each other sequentially. First… we are taught where out limits are. The Emperor teaches us how to behave in society. What the laws are. He teaches us good manners. The teaches us about boundaries and frontiers. He teaches us of material matters. Then Le Pape comes along… and yes, he speaks to us of our freedom. He speaks to us of spiritual matters. He teaches us to rise up out of pure materiality into the realms of the spirit. He shows us that we are not limited by our material boy. He is also our father… but our Spiritual father. Look a the card… can you not see that he is blessing ! The Pope is sometimes called The Pontiff. This word stems from the same etymology as the “bridge”. Le Pape is the bridge between the material world and the spiritual world. Fathers love their children. L’Empereur loves us, and so does Le Pape. But they have different functions. On a web-site I had once it was written: “True freedom does not mean making arbitrary and more or less uninformed decisions. Freedom means putting into practice the laws of the universe. This concept is common to all traditional teachings, including the Tarot. The wisdom of the Middle Ages, whih has been transmitted to us through the Tarot of Marseilles, was “Servire Deo, Libertas”.” Le Pape is the Arcanum that holds this promise in the palm of its hand. 5 is the number of Man (see Da Vinci’s famous painting).
  5. So if you enjoy hearing directly from what Kris Hadar has to say, here is some info he sent me on the Roys, after someone on Aeclectic asked about the crown of the Roy de Coupes which they found intriguing. He gave me permission to post his response there, which I did after translating it from the French. And I'm posting it here again for your enjoyment. (By the way, I was known on Aeclectic as Diana.) ********************** This is a simple question which reaches into the very foundations of Tarot. It is true that the Roy de Coupes’ hat looks like that of a nun… and one’s attention is drawn to it. But this is an excellent question. So, instead of just concentrating on the Roy’s hat, let’s examine the hats of all four Roys. First observe the crowns. You will notice that the Roy de Denier doesn’t have a crown, but the wings of Le Diable (devil). The Roy d’Epée has a crown that seems to grow from his hat… the Roy de Bastons shows us the first layer of his crown… and the Roy de Coupes has a crown that is entirely visible… This implies that the Roys form a common structure and that each one reveals a stage. The Roy de Denier represents the riches that dwell within us. The Deniers refers to the earth. The Roy d’Epées represents the combat of the spirit. It is not sufficient to have great inner riches, one needs to be conscious of these… The sword cleaves the air and air is the power of spirit. The Roy de Bastons represents represents the effort and the work necessary to extract what is in our inner depths : our soul. The baton burns… because it refers to fire, the energy necessary for any noble enterprise. Le Roy de Coupes represents our heart, nobility, that which makes a being great. Without a heart, without love, without love for life, one cannot reach one’s soul. It is the cup of the Holy Grail that symbolises divine essence, our soul, the waters of the deep that link us to our divine origin. This is why the Roy de Deniers is sitting on a circular throne that symbolises a cup, the cup that the Roy de Coupes has opened in order to offer it to his Dame de Coupes. It indicates that it is in our deepest being, that are hidden our riches, our soul, that we need to give birth to. This is why the Roy d’Epées is sitting on a tomb… to indicate that this soul will not be born, if we do not accept to die in order to be reborn… That is why the Roy de Bastons is an architect who traces with his baton, the rules that preside over any noble enterprise. … and that is why the Roy de Coupes has opened his cup, because it is by opening his heart that his soul can take flight… This is possible only from the moment that one is in the domain of love… for love is a gift of the soul, from the instant one can offer it to the most beautiful of Ladies, the one who has precisely allowed us to discover that we have a soul!!! The Roy de Coupes is in the antechamber of his Dame, the Reyne de Coupes, who is sitting on her four-poster bed. One of the principles of the troubadours in the Middle Ages was : one cannot be courteous, if one is not in the domain of love. It is love that makes us grand, noble, generous, chivalrous… It is through love that the noble cause that is the D’ÂME (note from translator – this is a play on words “D’âme” means from the soul, and “DAME” means lady), that one can attain one’s divine dimension.
  6. Holmes, your posts above blew my mind. Where you get your inspiration from is not of this world. It's truly amazing and mysterious. THANK YOU!!!
  7. Oh my. How lovely to see that Kris Hadar's Véritable Tarot de Marseille is still treasured by some. I consider it a masterpiece. I had the privilege once to correspond with Kris Hadar for several months and his understanding of the Tarot and its history are remarkable. It's the only deck TdM I use for practical purposes. The others are just for study and comparison. Some info he gave me about the minors, if you're interested is the following : As a general rule, what is at the top is dominated by blue, and what is at the bottom is dominated by red. The blue points to the top and the red to the bottom. There is also a rule for left and right: Blue is on the right and red is on the left.
  8. Marigold

    Greetings

    Warm greetings. You can call me Marigold. I fell in love with the Tarot of Marseilles many many many years ago. It is still my greatest Tarot love, although the Osho Zen, the Oswald Wirth as well as the Lasenic are high up on my list. The latter fills me with wonder and I use it more for contemplation than for readings. I don't read and study as much as I used to. But every now and again, I get drawn back to the cards and their hidden meanings and symbolism and journey through them. I look forward to meeting everyone here in good time.
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