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  1. Your site is looking awesome Griz! You did a good job on it!! Now you have more growing room, Griz!
  2. ---------------------------- Seventh labor - Cretan bull: ---------------------------- In this labor a sacrificial Bull that King Minos had promised to give to Poseidon had been spared for its worth. Poseidon was angered and cursed the Bull, making it furious and rampaging across Crete. Hercules showed up and tackled the Bull and took it back to Eurystheus. Eurystheus saw that the task was complete and let the Bull go, letting it start to terrorize the rest of Greece. A very short and straight forward story, but what does it mean? Poseidon is the King of the sea, in other words the King of the unconscious and feeling. It is the element of water and hence the cups, and the King of cups is an obvious match. Minos is one of Zeus son's and would not give Poseidon what was his due, possibly due to the conflict of Zeus/Hera. The Bull is a symbol of virility and fertility, so in some sense, it is virility that has become enraged. Basically we can say that without the cooperation of the feeling element, virility is just a raging force. In the last test Hercules faced down thinking, this time he seems to face down the effect of no feelings on the instincts. Especially the sexual instinct. The way Hercules deals with this, is just brute force, he goes in gets it done, presents his result, and then lets go of the issue as if that was all. In other words it is just a momentary effort of self-control and posturing, and then going on with business as usual. In the last labor the number 8 was very central, so now it would be natural to assume number 9 is up. Yet what would even the Hermit have to do with this? Well the Hermit isn't what was done, but more what wasn't done, there was no deeper understanding, just a superficial quick fix. When we add up the number 8 to 9 we get 17 the Star, yet what does that hopeful card got to do with anything? We need to analyze what we are dealing with in the 9. The nines are a pretty heavy set of cards, that holds a lot of promise, but it is sort of over the top, and takes up a lot of room and time. The Hermit archetype seems nice, but to be a Hermit is a lifetime vocation. You hardly get to do anything else with your life, you sit in your cave and reflect. End of story... So while it seems like a nice thing to do, it is hard, and hence people often just skip it. And this is exactly what Eurystheus does, Hercules catches the bull, but it is too much hassle to deal with. So Eurystheus just lets it go, and considers the completion of the task as the main event, not dealing with the actual problem. For the Star we need to dig a little deeper, it strikes us as a shortcut of sorts. Cause when one is in the 7 with the massive fall it is, to not actually touch the sky, and then having to face the eight and the aftermath of the fall. Isn't it easier to just put on a mask? To hide behind pretense, pretend that the dream of the sky is already here. In other words the Star is in many ways a hope of a victory turned to a mask. We are really dealing with the formation of a persona here. As a persona is basically pretending to be something else than one actually is. It is a convenient way to forget about the Lovers completely. And not only that, to sweep the fact that one had a fall under the rug. Cause else one will have to deal with all the fallout and issues, issues that are too heavy to deal with, as they would take a lifetime in the Hermit. A persona usually highlight some aspect, and makes us out to be that aspect. It is a narrow crystallization trying to masquerade as wholeness, someone whole would have all aspect as colorful as that one mask. Yet since it is easier and more convenient, one has one or more masks to hang on to. The persona is basically conservation of energy. In that way, the nines are all about having more or less spent all that one can spend, and to push any further would be really hard, and it is from this place we form our persona. It is the rug we push everything we cannot possibly deal with under, and hide it from the world. Jung rightly points out that it is necessity that forces us to hold back. We are still caught by our beasts, the Boar is still at large. Hence we don't have the surplus to chase down every passion, to make every wish come true. We have to chose carefully and go with what seem to be the best option at the time. In this Eurystheus as the ego goes with the option of letting go of the Bull, as it just doesn't seem worth it from his stance and agenda to keep it around. He doesn't want to delve into all the hidden issues that link directly back to the Boar, after all it was Poseidon who cursed the Bull, and it is very much an emotional curse. A curse of having every passion poisoned with destructiveness, due to neglected emotion. Especially the male sexual urges, that this Bull symbolizes.
  3. Oh so it hasn’t aired yet? I totally love the show.
  4. I am no longer taking students for a little while. Please stop back by in a month.
  5. @Lady Butterfly You are now in the group! Here is your class thread. Please stop by!
  6. You are in the mentor program now. Check out your thread!
  7. You are now in the group! Here is your class thread, please stop by!
  8. --------------------------------- Sixth labor - Stymphalian birds: --------------------------------- We now move over to a new creature Hercules must defeat. This one is interesting because it starts out in a marsh. In that sense it is much like the Hydra that it is generated from stagnant water. It is in other words just another symptom that takes on a new form. The Stymphalian birds are metal creatures, making them elementally akin to swords and hence fire. Yet this is created out of the evil shadow, so it is fire out of control, or thinking out of control. In the last labor we noticed that the 7 was a natural number to progress from, and in this labor it isn't wrong to bring in number 8. After the ego crash in the Chariot, where everything is too much for the ego to handle. We find the need for the card of Strength and patience to gather ourselves for a new battle. I find this card interesting, pointing to the boar that Hercules had to let go. Because the root of this is still the Boar and its destructiveness, and that takes patience. The Birds are just an aspect of the Boar, the imprint the water has on its opposite element. Just like the fire can manipulate the element of water, so can water manipulate fire. This manifests in all sorts of destructive thoughts, like a swarm of birds. The main gist of this story is that Hercules arrives to take on the Birds, but he cannot get to them, because the marsh is too treacherous, and when he fires his arrows, they are quickly used up, as there are just too many birds. Athena arrives while Hercules ponders what to do. She has some metal rattles for Hercules, something she has forged in fire for him. We see here that thought stand against thought, the result of negative fire, against positive fire. The rattles scare the birds to take flight and they leave the marsh. So what happened here? Hercules having spent all his energy, is down in the low of the eight. Specifically he has encountered the eight of swords in the birds. The birds being symbolic messengers, and now they are haunting messengers of evil. He is trapped by his own self inflicted blindness. Having been inflated and then humiliated in failing the last labor. He couldn't reach the sky, because he hadn't really defeated the Hydra, and capturing the Boar, who was just another symptom of the swamp, really didn't help matters a lot, it just scared Eurystheus to death. Now facing down a new and adapted foe, he once again need help of Athena, and once again, they cure the symptom, this time with thought against thought. Scaring away the negative energy with a good energy to replace it. In the east one speaks of the Monkey mind, and the chanting of positive mantras to silence it. By interrupting it with positivity, it will eventually give up and leave. Although the swamp still lies below hidden, waiting to unleash new monsters. I think it is time to take a closer look at the journey so far, since we are half way through. The story of this seemingly start with Hercules, yet that is not so. It started with the first gods of the Greeks, Namely Aether and Gaia. They gave birth to Uranus the god of the sky, who with his mother fathered the Titans. The youngest of the Titans Chronos overthrew his father, and was eventually overthrown by his son Zeus. Aether I think would represent the principle beyond this world, while Uranus takes the position of Kether from the Kabbalah, in other words the top of heaven, with Gaia being Malkuth (earth). Who actually gets to be the magician can be disputed, but I think Chronos is a likely pick. Then Chronos wife Rhea would be the high priestess, being the mother of the gods, and then we get Zeus and Hera as the Emperor and Empress. Pointing to the suppressing power of structure, and how that brings us directly into conflict with Nemian Lions. To establish and protect the realm, any realm, one needs to fight for it, and one needs to win. Then follow a period of orthodoxy with the Hierophant, which will spawn monsters from repressed elements. Before we have a direct clash with all the destructiveness held down, in the Lovers, where we hopefully find a way to bridge the divide. Having found a bridge, we get overconfident and inflated in the seven, where we identify with the sky. Which leads us to a fall, and humiliation. The only way out of this condition is through Strength, which can lead us through its patience to a better place. A place where we once again start dealing with the monsters at hand, even though we are still only dealing with symptoms. We can see from this how the Tarot so far, has provided us with signposts. They show the way through our own spiritual maze. The specific details and arrangement of our own maze will not be like anyone else's, but the signposts we all share. To end this article I'd like to point out a simple Tarot truth here. 7 + 8 is 15, which stands for the Devil, and the Devil is just the force that tempts us with inner negativity. Pulling us away from our victory and setting us up for the fall of the tower. Hercules has fallen and it is obvious. In the Jungian tarot we see symbols that illuminate this issue. In the lovers we see a white fish in the mandala, symbolizing a pure unconscious, in a cross symbolizing the the four elements combined into one. While in the devil the fish is swimming the opposite way and has a sickly color, it is in an black inverted pentacle, pointing to the divide, and the corrupted number five. The unconscious has turned evil, and the war is on, with the Devil whispering destructive words of temptation. I haven't covered all the cards that would come into play in this journey so far, as covering every angle and every card, would just bloat up the articles, and hide the message that each labor is supposed to give.
  9. ----------------------------- Fifth labor - Augean stables: ----------------------------- In this next labor of Hercules, Eurystheus wanted to try to break Hercules through his pride. He figured that giving him a demeaning task of cleaning out the stables of King Augean in a day would be sufficiently humbling given that Hercules had only had successes. The stables of Augean was particularly dirty, housing thousands of animals and had not been cleaned in thirty years. So Eurystheus was sure that not only would Hercules be humbled, but he would fail this task too. When Hercules arrived he didn't tell King Augean that he was sent on the orders of Eurystheus, but rather offered to clean out the stables in a day for a price. Augean of course thought Hercules was mad and humored him with offering him one tenth of his cattle, should he somehow succeed in this obviously impossible task. He let his son set him to task by giving Hercules a shovel and thought nothing more of it. Hercules ignored the shovel, and rather went to two large rivers. He threw giant rocks in them and diverted the water through the stables, thereby cleaning them out. When he came back to King Augean to claim his reward he was told, that Augean had received word from Eurystheus about who actually wanted the work done. Augean therefore refused to pay Hercules. Conflicting tales about Hercules reaction and treatment on this exist, yet regardless Hercules was told when he returned to Eurystheus that he had failed his task for demanding payment. Now this story struck me as a great mystery upon first reading it. It was pretty hard to untangle for me compared to the first 4 labors. But that of course has a lot to do with me being very comfortable with symbols that connect easily to the Bible and Jung. Just due to my upbringing and life history. To really understand what is going on here, we need to take a closer look on the whole Greek pantheon. We have the first Gods the Titans, who where overthrown by the Olympians. Of course the Olympians where the children of the Titan's, so they are mostly different in name. And now Hercules represents a new generation that challenges his fathers order. Hence we see a certain cyclical idea of the new overthrowing the old. The old must die so the new can come into the light. Hence we have the Death card at thirteen. As you can notice in the picture, the Reaper is in a boat crossing a river. In the Greek underworld there are many rivers, the most important is the Styx. So when Hercules uses the rivers to clean the stables, he is using his new contact to water and the underworld. The Augean stables represent all the mess the old order has left behind, not being cleaned for 30 years can be interpreted as having lived a full life, especially when one takes into account a life expectancy of about 40 tops back in ancient times. So all the mess of life has to somehow be dealt with in a day, making sense if death is around the corner any day now. The mess is by the way created by society not having a place for it. Yet this isn't just a physical death, but a spiritual death as well. Having faced the Erymantian Boar in the last labor, could in some way be said to be too much for Eurystheus. Everytime he runs and hides, can be interpreted as him perishing in his current form. He then died a spiritual ego-death after both the Lion and the Boar. Yet an ego death isn't a death in the ordinary sense, but rather an inner transformation. We die an inner death and wake up to a new reality, and that is what in some sense has happened here. The Augean stables are in some sense just another Nemian Lion. Hercules has come full circle, and has to fight a new battle on a new level. But if that where so, then Hercules should have some of that one-sidedness. And indeed he has, because his victories has gone to his head. That is precisely the reason why the stables are his new challenge, they are challenging his pride, and he fails the test, because he doesn't even want to admit that he does it as penance anymore, he presents it to King Augean as a business proposal. From a Tarot perspective we have to then wonder, how did we end up at this position from the victory position of 6. Cause after all after 6 comes 7, and that is a divine number. Which is true, but does Hercules deserve a divine victory here? Is Hercules victorious, was he victorious over the Boar? Not really, as he wasn't allowed to keep it. Also 6 + 7 is 13, foreshadowing the inevitable end. So we are back at the chariot symbolizing our energy, just as with the Nemian lion. Once again we face seven, yet since there isn't enough energy accessible, because Eurystheus couldn't handle it, we end up with a goal that is impossible in our earthly form. Because just like hercules, when we try to grasp it, our ego grow too large, and we get delusional. Our ego becomes charged with too much energy, and we act just like the one-sided barbarian. No matter how many battles we have fought so far, the sky is still just out of reach. We see here that who is actually there at the very top guarding against us reaching heaven, is the Magician and the High priestess. Grabbing us by the neck while we are intoxicated by the potential for divine power. What was Hercules solution to this? He allied with the underworld, the very place that held the cure for the imbalance of Zeus order. He called upon the river gods to cleanse it for him. Chief of these where Achelous, which was the father of the sirens. The sirens was in many ways taskmasters of heaven, earth and hell. In heaven they led the souls on a celestial path. In hell they led the souls on a cathartic path. On earth they led humankind on a generative path. In this lies a very important clue to what one is supposed to do with the mess of the stables, in other words the very mess that is our lives. We have to follow a siren path and through the pathway to water this opens up, discard our baggage in the river that washes through us when we walk it. The sevens generally point to this point, I find the example of pentacles to be the best here. We need to invest our energy in some kind of crop, and through that investment, find our own way too heaven one step at a time, and the best time to start is right now. We will always find our-self back on earth, thrown down into the muck of the stable, each time we imagine that we can take spiritual shortcuts and elevate our-self into divinity. Another card that is central every time we fall down is the Wheel of fortune, we can always change directions, and when one has lost ones ego, change can be much more easy to accept.
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