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  1. Aye, that happens a lot, @Barleywine! Although I don't use specific models like the Elemental Dignities, I'm frequently struck how one card (and often it's the middle one) seems to be the focus. Before I started doing these non-positional spreads I thought they would be hard to interpret... but they normally end up with the instruction manual incorporated into them, just by virtue of how the cards relate.
  2. It's not a question of what is available, but rather what you want to know. There are some spreads that are popular because they fill a certain niche, but we draw the cards according to our intentions. The meaning of each position is what is in our mind, and nothing more. In other words, any three card spread is available, from "What sort of sandwich should I make?" (Top, Middle and Bottom), to "What is my current state of being?" (Mind, Body and Spirit), or "What's really going on in this relationship?" (Me, Her, and the situation). It's entirely your choice, so long as you decide in advance and focus on the position of each card when drawing them. You can also do non-positional spreads: just draw three cards in relation to a question, without specific positions, and see how they interact with each other. Often the answer lies in the interaction between the cards, as much as in the cards themselves. Your relationship with the cards is something that you develop, but try to think of it more as a conversation with them than a fixed ritual.
  3. Really interesting discussion. I've never done any paid readings, and quite possibly never will, but I also saw these $5-10 readings offered (sometimes including quite extensive spreads with a write-up that would take me hours to do) and felt the same as you, Barleywine. It's a skill, and a talent, that should be appreciated and respected; when you think how much a plumber charges, let alone a solicitor, then that should give us a fair reckoning of what a good reader's time should be worth. I guess, though, that to many people Tarot readings are something you have done on a whim when you see the tent at a fun fair, and never think about again... and for that audience, perhaps they regard it is light entertainment, just as you would throw some coins to a street performer. For those who seek out a reader in order to receive some clarity... they probably do respect the skills involved, and are willing to pay more because they value it. I'm not sure which audience the readers on Etsy are reaching, but I worry it's the mindset that itches for quantity over quality. Obviously it's an over-generalisation, but this is the sort of price that risks attracting those who want readings to tell them what they want to know. Personally, I think a reading has most value when it is something that we turn over in our minds until we learn from it; getting lots of them cheaply means we avoid looking at the difficult bits, which is another form of disrespect of the reader. What would I pay for a good reading, personally? Hard to say, since I can read for myself anyway, and don't have a lot of money! I would certainly consider £30 for a half-hour to be reasonable, though, so I'm in the same ballpark as the rest of you here. If I found someone offering readings for under minimum wage, I'd be either skeptical or sympathetic!
  4. Thanks, @Ziev- very interesting, and I like the layout. It looks like a very flexible spread, which is always a plus - I'll have to try it out!
  5. Yay! Many southern-fried congratulations, @JustPeachy!
  6. Hi @Charlie Brown - sorry, I completely missed this! I normally get a ping to tell me there's been a reply, but it obviously didn't happen this time. So, thanks for getting involved here, and yes, I completely agree. The certainty that I mentioned is, indeed, in relation to traditional knowledge and understanding: it's a way of using the experience of our elders and predecessors to guide our own lives. I often think that it is only really language that separates us from other great apes in terms of the development of culture: we can build on all the experiences of the past, because they are passed on through tradition and ancestral knowledge. In the Hierophant, this has been rigidified and formalised, but with the Ancestor it is still fluid... but yes, just as potent. This difference between a pope, or a spirit guide, and our families matters, of course: what teenager wants to follow what their parents say, rather than discovering a "better" way on their own? Perhaps part of the reason why we have been drawn to figures like Elen, whether allegorical or in some way real, is that we can separate them from ourselves and bestow them with authority. This is where I feel it's not just about the experience and knowledge held by these ancestral guides, but also how we perceive them: when we see them as above ourselves, their authority can override our doubts and self-confidence. The Ancestor, being more than an old relative, forces us to listen by virtue of who she is. Does that make sense?
  7. Ah, Marseille! OK, that's a little more distant again, in terms of meanings. I think you'll find this even with subtle deck variations, though, as well as with experience - everyone will give you a different answer, depending on what they use, and how they use it.
  8. I can't answer this question without a whole stack of caveats..! The context is everything. For example, the World in a love reading might indicate completion: it's done, over, and has reached a natural conclusion. The Pole Star (Wildwood's equivalent of the Star) has been negative-ish for me in the past, being about tying oneself to a laid-out path and missing all the experiences to the sides. The Sun, though, I can't recall ever coming across as negative... but I suspect that's only a matter of time! Imagine, for example, an introvert terrified of being put on stage at an upcoming event, and this pops up for, "What will be my role at the event..?" You get the idea: negative for one person is positive for another, and we just can't look at the cards in isolation.
  9. Yes, that's what I thought as well! It's Cedar of some sort, so smells wonderful too! Last year I had the urge to go looking around nearby cities for a home for the cards, and the first few antique centres didn't turn up much; a few old boxes that were nice, but not perfect. Then this appeared in a little shop in my home town, and the space inside (lined with red velvet) holds the cards with about 1 mm to spare on all sides. Some things are just meant to be... It's supposedly from Eastern Europe, and maybe 50-100 years old, but there's nothing obvious to pin it down further.
  10. I don't actually have a Tarot corner. My books are minimal (except for Taoism etc., which has a case to itself), my crystal ball is on display on its own, and my crystals are all in the geological teaching collections. Candles and incense are on the hearth, as they would be. The cards have a home, though, and that home travels with me... the advantage of only using one deck!
  11. Interesting. It really does depend on how exactly the whole system works, doesn't it? Is consciousness required, and if so, do computers have it? If you're in the animist school (I have a lot of sympathy for that), then it's entirely possible, since we don't need to be animate to share a degree of consciousness. Or, alternatively, if the cards are shuffled to the point that the quantum world is convinced that all information on individual card identity has been erased (hmm... that's really dodgy!) then the cards may not be fixed until they are revealed, and the observer's consciousness is what matters. However... I know a bit about how computers work, and these 'random number generators' aren't random; they're just sufficiently complex that they go beyond the patterns we can easily see, and appear random. However again... obviously, the versions where the computer shuffles and you pick the cards yourself override that problem. As I said, I'm sceptical but slightly on the fence on this aspect, and it does depend on both how Tarot works, and how the specific computer version is constructed. But yes, theoretically, I can see it as possible... in some cases. Yes, the stock text is my main problem with the meaning coming from these readings. But if it's one of those formats where you choose the cards, and also interpret them, then I'm willing to go with it as possible that the same things are going on. Perhaps we had a different image of the programme in our heads! Further to that, though, and starting from an assumption that ticks all these boxes... most people seem to feel that their decks have personality and a specific relationship to them (we've talked about this a bit for the Wildwood, for example, with different experiences for different people). Would a computer-generated deck have a personality of its own, that needs to be gotten used to before you can read with it reliably..? Or, given that there are no physical cards and the images are generated anew every time you visit the site, is its 'personality' randomly refreshed each time you use it, and if so, can we read with it effectively? I can imagine a whole suite of experiments using different formats to try to get some inkling into how the Tarot does what it does! Do we need a proper investigative thread on Tarot and Quantum Mechanics..?
  12. I also don't really accept that the automated readings are particularly useful. Of course, I don't actually know how Tarot works, but for me it it seems to emerge from the interplay of the reader's consciousness with another unspecified factor... whether that is the collective unconscious, spirit guides, or whatever. It's theoretically possible that the same things are influencing the computer algorithms, or that the cards are only fixed when they interact with the brain of the person using the app (quantum non-determinism)... but that's not something I can easily accept. What's even more of a problem, though, is that the meanings that arise from the cards in a reading vary according to the sitter, the situation, and the reader's intuition. The overall meaning is simply an umbrella for the diverse range of insights that exist within it. Stock text, for me, can never capture the subtle (and even radical) differences that are specific to each reading. So, nah - I don't see them as anything more than a bit of fun, personally. Having said that, it's a very interesting exercise to see what the standard Tarot can do just by virtue of its innate wisdom.
  13. There was a time I considered going and being a hermit, actually... maybe I've regressed since then! Well, two out of three ain't bad..! As long as I resist the NT membership (it's easier when you don't drive, and can't get to most of the locations!), I'll be fine. Phew.
  14. You're very welcome, @Tarotnewbie - the pleasure was mine!
  15. I have great pleasure in announcing the graduation (with flying colours, I might add) of @Tarotnewbie(a name that may soon need to be adjusted, I feel..!). It's been an absolute delight to see her develop so rapidly, and watch her intuitive skills start to take flight. Tarotnewbie, it's been a genuine honour to be able to help you on the first stages of your journey, and I can't wait to see where it takes you next! So, without further ado (don't want to embarrass her, now, do we?)... [drum roll, please]...
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