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Author Topic: Using Tarot to predict world events  (Read 1367 times)

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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2019, 12:21:00 AM »
Whether the cards can show us the future raises the question of how all the different world leaders would read the same spread of the same cards.  Not the same, I bet.  And as far as whether I think tarot can predict world events, Saturn and Sandy have expressed pretty much what I would say, thank you! 

Sharyn is right about politics not being a good topic so I'm staying strictly away.  But I think it's safe to say that few sentient beings alive are happy with the world today, no matter what their political ideology.  So I will hearten myself with Sandy's closing words, "thank God for the wheel spinning".

In July 1970 I saw Ike and Tina Turner in concert in a very small venue, the Sheraton Hyannis.  Interesting segue, right?  They were glorious young animal spirits in superb human bodies.  My at-the-time mother in law was the Housekeeping Director at the hotel and met with all the celebrity guests daily.  Ike and Tina were among the friendliest, most down to earth of all the stars she ever met and they seemed to love each other deeply, but every night they had screaming hysterical fights.  All of that feeling came out on stage.

Why did I just tell you that?  Because "thank God for the wheel spinning" put me in mind of this song.  I don't know when this version was recorded, but they performed it just like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02QUmKVsyFY 

And if thinking about future world events has stressed you out, this song will dance it all out of you!

Don't know much about Tina Turner @Grandma , but didn't she do a wonderful song called "Rolling" which would fit nicely in with the "...the wheel spinning.."
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2019, 12:26:08 AM »
This is one of my goals for this year, I want to try and see if I can predict things coming up (good and bad) in the world each month but been so busy this Jan I have not had a chance yet. I know though that I can a picture of something happening in future events but I don't seem to get the 100% message of it, it all makes more sense afterwards. So frustrating, maybe I need to get more experienced in tarot predicting and reading to really get it. I enjoy doing it and do it just for fun, I like predicting!

I was inspired to make it a goal this year by a blog I read of an astrologer. It's members only so cannot post but once a month she has an American tarot reader come and make predictions for the month, she has quite a good rate of accuracy and her job as a pro tarot reader is predictions rather than other forms of tarot.

There are people who are just predictors professionally, more in astrology but some in tarot. Predictive reading of financial markets is a specialist field in itself and people who buy and sell shares and in financial risky fields pay for predictions.

I've been trying to read on some events affecting my country and I cannot get a clear picture but the picture is not clear, it's constantly changing! However I have a intuitive feeling about it (beyond tarot) so will be interesting to see if it comes true in the end.

I do believe we can predict the future but also you can get it wrong, even the more experienced predictive tarot reader in the world gets predictions wrong. I am just happy to get some stuff right :)

@DanielJUK ...i'd be very interested if we could both do a Brexit prediction reading then post here and see what comes of it?  as it's all happening this week, we can see the results!  I've already done one (it was powerful) but i'd really like to do another.  Get back to me if you're interested in doing this.
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2019, 12:27:39 AM »
This is one of my goals for this year, I want to try and see if I can predict things coming up (good and bad) in the world each month but been so busy this Jan I have not had a chance yet. I know though that I can a picture of something happening in future events but I don't seem to get the 100% message of it, it all makes more sense afterwards. So frustrating, maybe I need to get more experienced in tarot predicting and reading to really get it. I enjoy doing it and do it just for fun, I like predicting!

I was inspired to make it a goal this year by a blog I read of an astrologer. It's members only so cannot post but once a month she has an American tarot reader come and make predictions for the month, she has quite a good rate of accuracy and her job as a pro tarot reader is predictions rather than other forms of tarot.

There are people who are just predictors professionally, more in astrology but some in tarot. Predictive reading of financial markets is a specialist field in itself and people who buy and sell shares and in financial risky fields pay for predictions.

I've been trying to read on some events affecting my country and I cannot get a clear picture but the picture is not clear, it's constantly changing! However I have a intuitive feeling about it (beyond tarot) so will be interesting to see if it comes true in the end.

I do believe we can predict the future but also you can get it wrong, even the more experienced predictive tarot reader in the world gets predictions wrong. I am just happy to get some stuff right :)

@DanielJUK ...i'd be very interested if we could both do a Brexit prediction reading then post here and see what comes of it?  as it's all happening this week, we can see the results!  I've already done one (it was powerful) but i'd really like to do another.  Get back to me if you're interested in doing this.

And I would be really interested in following such an experiment. Just sayin'  :thumbsup:
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2019, 12:44:52 AM »

Don't know much about Tina Turner @Grandma , but didn't she do a wonderful song called "Rolling" which would fit nicely in with the "...the wheel spinning.."

It's the same song, Cookie - it's called Proud Mary and the chorus is

"Big wheels keep on turning
Proud Mary keeps on burning
Rolling, rolling, rolling on the river"

and I actually did have a relevant point to the discussion but I never got back to it after my stream of consciousness episode - that "thank God for the wheel spinning" moment...and now I don't remember what I wanted to say.  I'll be back if I do.

It's a great thread, Cookie.
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2019, 01:16:52 AM »
Hey Cookie,

Yeah, I do world event readings quite regularly, and I don't think you have to be a particularly skilled reader if you use a simple method.

There are two such methods mentioned in this thread:
https://www.thetarotforum.com/using-tarot/yesno-reading-method/

A week or two back, I did a reading predicting that Ms. May's chances of winning Tuesday's BREXIT vote had improved owing to the influence of financial power..... but that success was still in the 'maybe' category. This confuses me, as it seems she hasn't got a chance in hell. Well, we'll see.

Anyway, on tarot predictions as purely psychological and mathematical: Interesting, and it sounds kinda neat and rational. But it's also just one idea among many and still doesn't explain how bits of card-board can rummage around in the churn of existence and come up with a statistical probability. Besides, just because you've whipped up a mathematical model or some such of a process, no matter how predictive, doesn't mean you've ultimately explained it. Then you have to ask yourself if ALL future events are really within our control?

So, at the end of the day, "psychological and mathematical" is on a footing with "it's the tarot fairies," imo. :)

Embrace the woo!

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P.S. I hear you on political discussion.... depending on the company you're in, just about any political position can get you lynched these days. :(
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2019, 04:35:03 AM »

Don't know much about Tina Turner @Grandma , but didn't she do a wonderful song called "Rolling" which would fit nicely in with the "...the wheel spinning.."

It's the same song, Cookie - it's called Proud Mary and the chorus is

"Big wheels keep on turning
Proud Mary keeps on burning
Rolling, rolling, rolling on the river"

and I actually did have a relevant point to the discussion but I never got back to it after my stream of consciousness episode - that "thank God for the wheel spinning" moment...and now I don't remember what I wanted to say.  I'll be back if I do.

It's a great thread, Cookie.

That's it .., that's a wonderful song.

And thanks @Grandma !
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2019, 04:53:58 AM »
Hey Cookie,

Yeah, I do world event readings quite regularly, and I don't think you have to be a particularly skilled reader if you use a simple method.

There are two such methods mentioned in this thread:
https://www.thetarotforum.com/using-tarot/yesno-reading-method/

A week or two back, I did a reading predicting that Ms. May's chances of winning Tuesday's BREXIT vote had improved owing to the influence of financial power..... but that success was still in the 'maybe' category. This confuses me, as it seems she hasn't got a chance in hell. Well, we'll see.

Anyway, on tarot predictions as purely psychological and mathematical: Interesting, and it sounds kinda neat and rational. But it's also just one idea among many and still doesn't explain how bits of card-board can rummage around in the churn of existence and come up with a statistical probability. Besides, just because you've whipped up a mathematical model or some such of a process, no matter how predictive, doesn't mean you've ultimately explained it. Then you have to ask yourself if ALL future events are really within our control?

So, at the end of the day, "psychological and mathematical" is on a footing with "it's the tarot fairies," imo. :)

Embrace the woo!

Devin.

P.S. When it comes to sporting matches, personal experience has taught me that your chances of success are greatly improved by doing the reading relatively close to kick-off time.
P.S. I hear you on political discussion.... depending on the company you're in, just about any political position can get you lynched these days. :(

That's an interesting method you got there, @devin .  I'll give it a whirl tonite as my footie teams playing.

Yes and as for the predictive/psychological approach to why they work, i agree it one of many, although i suspect there's a little bit/truth in all the theories, some more than others.  But as a metaphysist you'll be aware of the theory of infinity, and the Multiverse where everything's happened already... perhaps thousands of slightly different variations of the same scenario, and tarot is just replaying the most likely one of these.  Anyway it's monday morning!  Better give my brain a break

Would you like to join a tarot Brexit prediction @devin ? And anyone else. 

And i go one better than embracing the woo, I'll embrace the woo-woo !

 
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2019, 10:42:04 AM »
Don't know much about Tina Turner @Grandma , but didn't she do a wonderful song called "Rolling" which would fit nicely in with the "...the wheel spinning.."

You're making me feel really old here, @Cookie:))
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2019, 03:33:30 PM »
Will do a reading on Brexit and post here. I will do it tomorrow before the vote on the deal later in the day. I am going to ask 5 questions with a card for each prediction.....

- what will the result of the vote tomorrow be? (this is Theresa May's vote to back her deal or oppose it)
- what will happen after the vote? (ie what happens next, especially if the vote doesn't get through), govt falls, new election, new referendum, no deal exit?
- will we leave on the 29th March in any form?
- what will be the status of Brexit at the end of 2019? (longer term)
- something else to know about the situation (random message from the cards)

It's hard to read on but that's my idea of reading on the topic. If anyone has any suggestions on how to read on it and what positions, do please suggest! I don't have time for a really huge reading though. If anyone else wants to join in, please do  <3

Shall do mine tomorrow morning  :thumbsup:
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2019, 05:13:47 AM »
Okay, great stuff @DanielJUK ... i'll look forward to seeing it !

Gonna do mine soon too !
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2019, 07:14:19 AM »
I decided for myself that because this is a tarot discussion area, I will do the reading on my forum journal area and link the reading to here. Going to work on it this afternoon  :thumbsup: The voting starts at 7pm tonight GMT, so hoping to post it by then or if it's not quite finished, to not work on it anymore after that time so I cannot change anything after news starts to happen :)
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2019, 09:18:39 AM »
Erm.  So i've done this reading on Brexit, but I think I may have "fixed"it subconsciously, as it's exactly how I want it to play out.   If this reading turns out to come to ground then I'll be made up not only for the UK but for my tarot skills too!  If it turns out to be subconsciously "fixed" .. i'll just call it the Tarot-Gate scandal. 

Anyway, here it is. 

1.  Will Prime Minister Theresa May be forced to resign after tonight's vote? 
   
10 of Swords Well it couldn't be clearer.  She'll be gone by the end of the month, if not by the end of the week.

2.  Will there be another Referendum on Europe?
 
The World.  Almost self-explanatory.  There will be another referendum, and we will stay in the European Union!

3.  What will happen to the UK in the next year?  (I asked this question because I fear the worst in every way for the UK)

8 of Pentacles.  We will be a productive country...no sign of the suspected recession...and also I saw the Pentacles around the card as representative of the Union of Europe.

There it is.  If anyone fancies a pop at reading the cards for tonight's vote i would be very interested to see it. 
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2019, 12:32:26 PM »
Well, I've had a go too, @Cookie, for what it's worth.. and it looks as though our cards don't agree!  :o

Overall process: Balance
Theresa May: The Seer
The Conservative Party: The Wanderer
The British people: Rebirth (8 Vessels)
The EU: Frustration (5 Arrows)

Balance. The situation is poised between two extremes, and one side will never bow to the other, for they are equal. Only by combining elements of each can the two exist in harmony. Does this reflect the leavers-remainers divide, or the UK-EU dichotomy? Or even the Conservative-Labour division? Probably all three, for they're governed by the same principles. How balance can be achieved is hard to say, but I'm seeing that the dragons would both be content only if they achieve a new status for the country which allows them to feel equal to the EU, powerful and in a mutually beneficial arrangement. The entwined wyverns are also a symbol of healing; only when all sides stop fighting and respect each other can this occur.

 Theresa May, though, will only be allowed to continue as the conservative leader (including PM) if her party want her to be a disposable figurehead. I had a fascinating (if controversial!) insight into the Seer recently (and posted about it in the Wildwood study group), with the implication that although she does have power, some of it is illusory, bestowed on her by those around her. The role of a Seer is needed, and so people create it, with all the pomp and ceremony around it. She is, ultimately, a sacrifice: not literally, but she is pushed into a role, moulded, and allowed to stay in that role so long as she fulfils it as the people around her want. The conservatives may choose to keep her on, but after this she will be a puppet, with little real power. She will be held on a short leash, and such a situation cannot last long. Once the dust settles, another will see an opportunity, and oust her.

The Conservatives themselves are represented by the Wanderer: the start of a journey, and a step into the unknown, beginning the next cycle of learning and enlightenment. It is hard to see this is a positive way, for a long-established political machine that currently holds power. Something major will change, and it may be that they are stripped of the power they currently hold. A return to the beginning suggests a serious, bruising defeat, or even something more fundamental such as a schism, or (perhaps more likely) both. Most likely is that there will be a general election, and they will not win. Their alliance with the DUP will not be renewed, and after that failure, the divisions within the party will lead to some sort of split, perhaps with some prominent tories leaving to create a new party. It won't be pretty. It also strongly implies that there will be a new leader, taking them on a new journey; I have a feeling that this will be a genuine leader, in the sense of someone with convictions.

The British People will be represented by Rebirth. This and the next card strongly suggest that we will indeed leave the EU, one way or another. It implies substantial change, and the rebuilding of a new structure, suggesting that leaving with no deal is plausible. However, the card shows water flowing smoothly, from one vessel to the next, and away down the stream; this suggests that there won't be a major crisis. The process will require changes, but in the end, it won't be carnage. The only alternative I'm seeing here is that there is a second referendum, in which case rebirth signals a change of heart: the second vote is to remain. But I don't feel this is likely, especially with the next card...

Frustration sums it up for the EU. I'm seeing a well-made plan falling apart, the goat escaping the arrows fired at it, and bidding for freedom. Far from being comical, though, this has repercussions within the EU. They won't get what they want, and this will cause problems. Whether this is a  no-deal situation, or just being forced into lots of concessions, I'm not totally sure.

Overall: May loses the vote this evening, there's a general election (perhaps through the promised no-confidence vote, or perhaps by other routes) which Conservatives do not win (at least, they cannot form their favoured alliance with the DUP to create a government), May is ousted, and a new leader emerges from the conservatives. Most likely, Brexit goes ahead, and not on the EU's preferred terms.
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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2019, 12:55:02 PM »
Here is my reading below, I posted it on my journal here as well. I did not see the other readings before posted (because I was busy typing and didn't look at any new posts). @Cookie our card meanings and outcome are very similar and all 3 of us have similar ideas about rebirth as a final result :thumbsup:

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- what will the result of the vote this evening be?


This evening, the Prime Minister Theresa May has to get her deal voted through parliament but both sides of the debate, hate this deal! For Remainers it goes too far and for Brexiteers it doesn't go far enough, so everyone is unhappy with it! The vote is predicted to lose but by how much? If the difference is more than 150, it would be the biggest defeat in UK history and it's predicted to maybe be over 200!


Four of Wands (reversed)

The Four of Wands is the card for stability, structure, foundation and harmony. It's a happy, stable environment, this country is going in a positive direction. 4's representing manifestation of the plan ahead and things growing. But like so many of the cards in this reading, it's reversed! This is a breakdown of the 4, the vote leads to instability and no plan to manifest ahead. This brings instability and a risk to security, perhaps the markets and financial sector will react to this. Perhaps there will now be a threat of no deal ahead. Pretty much most people and politics don't support this deal but the consequences of this vote being voted down is an unstable situation increasing, there could be threats to stability for all of us and no plan of manifestation ahead. The future will look much more uncertain and unsettled for the country. We will be a much less stable country from this point on, anything could happen ahead.

My prediction: She will lose the vote, this deal will not get through parliament but there is no plan or anything next. There will be consequences, with a blow to our foundations / stability as a country and we go into unstable new territory :eek:


What will her loss turn out to be? 6 of Swords (rx)


I decided to ask this but not use it as a number amount but as a theme of how it will go for her.
This reversed card means the vote / plan and government cannot move on, it's deadlock. The boat cannot move forward from resistance, normally upright 6's represent transcending difficulties but it's blocked in this reversal.

My prediction: mass resistance stops anything tonight going forwards. The boat cannot move, so I think big numbers. Maybe more than 200 difference? (this would set a new record in our political history). This card upright is such a card of overcoming and moving forwards with difficulties and so I think it's a big number if we cannot move forwards from difficulty.


- what will happen after the vote?


What will happen next? which direction will we go in? possibilities ahead, this deal, no deal, government falls with no confidence vote, new referendum by the people, new election, Britain descending into civil war.


9 of Wands (rx)


Upright that injured guy with the wands behind him and stick he holds won't give up. He won't back down and is the symbol of resilience and courage. There is persistence and no backing down but this card is reversed. Perhaps everything starts to fall apart and faith in leaving starts to fall. There is a meaning to this reversal of paranoia and being overly defensive. The problems are growing too big, people will lose faith, there will be anger and blame. I wonder if there will be real consequences now of not having a plan ahead. In front of the person even reversed, my eye notices the wall of wands. Could this represent being in the union or maybe the border to Ireland which is an issue of brexit? This guy in the card seems injured and beaten up by the Brexit process but shelters behind the boundary. Perhaps there is safety behind boundaries. I think this means the govt will not fall but lay there injured and weak. Perhaps we will stay in the EU longer for now, behind the safety of the union to regroup and work out what to do.  I don't think the govt will fall or lose or there will be an election but will be very injured by events. Time will be bought to recover and work out what to do next. Recovery is needed.

- will we leave on the 29th March in any form?

This is the date set that we legally leave, it's agreed by all parties. If it's postponed or revoked, it would take negotiation but we are far from ready for this date. Will there be a transition period, postponement for more time or what?

The Chariot (rx)

The Chariot upright moves ahead, it's such a good card upright for a positive victory! But again it's reversed. The govt loses control of the process and the whole debate loses direction, it becomes out of control. Like a runaway mine train, whizzing along, where will it go? where will it crash or end up? I wonder if the reins will be handed over to the EU. This is an interesting card and a direction I haven't thought about. It seems to me that no attempt to change dates or this date will happen but to avoid crashing out with no deal (I believe bad for us and really bad for other EU countries), it seems to me they will take over. Perhaps they will postpone or delay this date so someone here can sort it out. Some other forces will stop the out of control and directionless Chariot.

- what will be the status of Brexit at the end of 2019? (longer term)

Where will we be by the end of this year?

3 of Wands

Finally a positive and upright card hooray! This is a very different card to the other cards so far, proper plans underway, proper direction and preparation. Unlike the 2 of Wands where plans are made, this is making trade deals and ships coming in. But this card represents a "longer term" view, perhaps a more realistic (rather than fantasy) view now comes forth. This is a great card for trade deals, expansion and our international image. My view is that this will happen because Brexit is off the table but it could also represent a proper leaving plan which won't affect the economy, trade deals or international image. What is really fascinating about this card is that it's so positive for a future outlook, not dreading what happens next. I think all sides of the Brexit debate will agree that there isn't much future optimism at the moment.

What will happen to both sides and the divide in this country? Death (rx)

I wanted to know with the last position what will happen to the divide. How will it resolve? will it end in civil war? How can the sides ever heal? I don't think the reversed death shows fighting or civil war, perhaps there will be relative peace but also neither side can move on. Everyone is just stuck with their entrenched opinion or views, people will either support or oppose the EU, there is no change on this. I always feel this reversal is "stuck in limbo" and it applies here. But the positive is that there doesn't look like fighting or the country separating or anything.


- something else to know about the situation (random message from the cards)


I decided to do this from the base card at the bottom, for a another message about the whole situation

5 of Cups (reversed)

The 5 of Cups upright is so sad, it's loss and mourning but this is reversed. There is acceptance and moving on, lessons learned and put behind us. Whatever happens in the next few weeks / months /rest of the year, there is hope again! I am really glad to see this personally. We'll get over it!


My Prediction: This reading was really interesting because it gave me direction and ideas I had not thought about! First of all, so many reversed cards! There is just going be blockage and obstacles for now, no progress, no direction! It's going to be tricky and difficult. I think the deal will definitely be lost tonight and won't be able to progress. But we will start to see real signs of a risk to our foundations and stability as a country, risks will start manifesting, consequences will begin. I've been thinking about that reversed 9 of Wands, it's a person who is injured but is not dead and shelters behind the fence even when reversed.Thinking about it, could it represent giving up or giving in, could the govt go for another referendum? There isn't an obvious sign of that but there is little signs that support that assumption in the way that people are not fighting and everyone seems to have an acceptance to progress. The govt won't be fatally injured but will put it to the people again to save themselves. This might mean the Chariot (rx), the lack of direction and control is not saved by the EU but the people. The leaving date is postponed to work out the direction ahead. This will lead to either a Brexit we all can agree with (and seems to be the best for our international trade with the 3 of Wands) or we are not leaving. The end of the year looks quite positive though, we can all have hope for the future  <3

Let's see what happens  8)

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Re: Using Tarot to predict world events
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2019, 02:35:21 AM »
A week or two back, I did a reading predicting that Ms. May's chances of winning Tuesday's BREXIT vote had improved owing to the influence of financial power..... but that success was still in the 'maybe' category.

That went well. Henceforth everyone should ignore everything I say, like, always.

I think these cards would have been more appropriate:



I suppose that I can take heart that it was a maybe and not a yes. Although, I've now reinterpreted the cards I drew as further negotiations. So, perhaps a positive outcome for Ms. May's deal in some form is still possible. That being said, refer to my above statement.
Isn't what I see and hear and smell / Just the appearance of the world in front of the world?

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