vulprix Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 Love seeing more of your work, @GalllowsInk!!! 🤩 The Star figure’s pose in particular is inspired, but I really like everything you’re doing! I am intrigued by all of the animals you have on the Queen of Disks card! More than usual—though I do get that each of them can be well associated with her in some way. I would be down to hear the process in your choosing to give her multiple companions 😁
GalllowsInk Posted November 17, 2020 Author Posted November 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, vulprix said: Love seeing more of your work, @GalllowsInk!!! 🤩 The Star figure’s pose in particular is inspired, but I really like everything you’re doing! I am intrigued by all of the animals you have on the Queen of Disks card! More than usual—though I do get that each of them can be well associated with her in some way. I would be down to hear the process in your choosing to give her multiple companions 😁 Thanks! I guess it just fit well enough into the whole Nurturing Aspect that I didnt really question it....I wanted her portray her as a mother, but without children of her own, And to have a court, because she is a Queen, But not necessarily portray wealth, And to Echo the Harvest and fertility... ...So More "rural" animals, as opposed to Lions or Stallions etc... portrayed as a family unit..ie. her children....The Goat and Hare are already part of the original cards...the Daschunds... are meant to be a like...version of Queen Elizabeths Corgis? But more German, because theres hints of the brother Grimm all over this card... The Bird on the top of the throne just seemed appropriate? Its a Fairy Wren, or maybe a Bearded Tit. Colourful, but tiny... And meant to evoke a kinda "disney princess" vibe . The Hen is to drill home the "mother/fertility" aspect...and to fill the frame at the lower left... And the Cockroach perched on top of her Staff , which is tiny, is there to give her something on her line of sight...to look adoringly upon...(Actually there a LITTLE more too it , but for brevities sake lets just go with "They fit" ...) Sooo...I guess... She's supposed to be rich, but not fancy, so She is dressed more "casually" than the other Queens (Tshirt and A comfy skirt)...but she still has a throne and a fancy crown and a garden of roses etc in a very arid region (desert vista below them) ....And a Court, made of animal's rather than subjects. Shes a protector and a nurturer, with a benevolent air about her, despite the devil horns. Also shes meant to be a Mirror of the Empress, who also has a bunch of animals on her card (sparrow, pigeon, Pelican (with babies) and fish ....the fish on the card Ive drawn arent very noticeable unless I point them out but theyre there....Ill make them a bit more proninent when I rework it into a full illustration)
GalllowsInk Posted November 17, 2020 Author Posted November 17, 2020 @vulprix here's some of the other stuff that I did to try and figure out which direction to take it in
katrinka Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 3 hours ago, GalllowsInk said: ....Just, for the record, I totally Typed up a long and considered reply to this, But dum dum hit a button and the whole thing deleted.... We've all been dum dums I suppose, it's very easy to do that. If it happens again try CTRL z. 3 hours ago, GalllowsInk said: ....I dont know if its possible to upload videos on here, but here is a sketchbook....walk through....thing....of Every card Ive tackled so far....Id love to hear any thoughts on if anything seems to be out of place or not working or what have you? As Much as I dont want to go backwards, Im not averse to completely reworking something to go forward (so to speak) https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHrGJTUnjUQ/?igshid=117o43jl7war What caught my eye was the golden apple of Eris on the Hierophant. I think it should definitely be included in more decks - but I'm not sure how it fits with that particular card? Yes, it started the Trojan War and religion is at the root of a lot of wars, but that's superficial. It doesn't begin to capture the vibe of the apple. 😉 Some recommended reading (and I promise you it's a quick read and not dry or boring at all!)https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/22821215/the-book-of-eris-principia-discordia
katrinka Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, GalllowsInk said: @vulprix here's some of the other stuff that I did to try and figure out which direction to take it in I can't speak for Vulprix, obviously, but - This one: Quote The diagonal composition is good. And the Dachshunds are an incisive touch as they burrow into the earth after rabbits and badgers. "Earth in earth." Edited November 17, 2020 by katrinka
GalllowsInk Posted November 17, 2020 Author Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, katrinka said: I can't speak for Vulprix, obviously, but - This one: The diagonal composition is good. And the Dachshunds are an incisive touch as they burrow into the earth after rabbits and badgers. "Earth in earth." Yah the spiky chair thing was giving me a headache tho. ....But thats why the one on the right is about to get its butt kicked by the hare, while the dumb one on the left is sniffing about trying to burrow about looking for it. The middle one is less than enthused. I WAS going to give the Hare Antlers, the same as the Queen... .... didn't quite work, but. Too antagonistic....a few added animals evened it out i guess? https://www.universallifechurch.org/2019/10/17/from-kalulu-the-hare-to-bugs-bunny-trickster-lagomorph-legends/ Edited November 17, 2020 by GalllowsInk
GalllowsInk Posted November 17, 2020 Author Posted November 17, 2020 57 minutes ago, katrinka said: We've all been dum dums I suppose, it's very easy to do that. If it happens again try CTRL z. What caught my eye was the golden apple of Eris on the Hierophant. I think it should definitely be included in more decks - but I'm not sure how it fits with that particular card? Yes, it started the Trojan War and religion is at the root of a lot of wars, but that's superficial. It doesn't begin to capture the vibe of the apple. 😉 Some recommended reading (and I promise you it's a quick read and not dry or boring at all!)https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/22821215/the-book-of-eris-principia-discordia Bit of a story that....I originally had it on the Lovers card when I did a first go round on this at the end of last year... with the Apple hanging from the tree of knowledge... I was aware of the historical / traditional significance of the thing, and it certainly made sense to have it on the Lovers card... .... but then, because of reasons, that card turned into something different, and I decided to come back to it later with a fresh perspective.... (There's a lot here Im not mentioning because it would be a lot of a story....as opposed to a bit of one) In anycase, I started again in April of this year, with the intent to plan the thing instead of just winging it (ie. By doing these draft sketches first) And, in a seemingly unrelated coincidence, Read the Illuminatus trilogy at the same time.
GalllowsInk Posted November 17, 2020 Author Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, katrinka said: We've all been dum dums I suppose, it's very easy to do that. If it happens again try CTRL z. What caught my eye was the golden apple of Eris on the Hierophant. I think it should definitely be included in more decks - but I'm not sure how it fits with that particular card? Yes, it started the Trojan War and religion is at the root of a lot of wars, but that's superficial. It doesn't begin to capture the vibe of the apple. 😉 Some recommended reading (and I promise you it's a quick read and not dry or boring at all!)https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/22821215/the-book-of-eris-principia-discordia ...In any case Id not actually read or looked much into the books before I picked them up, though I knew of them as something an acquintance from years before was really into, and he **** me, so I didn't really have a desire to read them because they also **** me, by proxy. when I DID start reading them, on a whim, I did raise an eyebrow over the inclusion of Eris, and The Apple....so anyway, I drew THIS version of the Heirophant on April 29, with very some specific reasons for a few of the Elements, like the Dobbs Ikon andhttps://subgenius.fandom.com/wiki/Dobbs_Ikon in place of the Papal / Triple Cross he holds, but undecided reasons for some of the others, like getting rid of the two pillars of Obedience/disobedience and replacing them with the two "Data Cloud" icons....they WERE meant to be just a representation of the right and left side of the brain, however, I figured I could work them in as a representation of the collective unconcious....theeeeen I finished the drawing and went to bed and read some more of the book, and got to this bit, and thought...huh. that's a bit weird. Also my name is Joe, which made it weirder. ....but, that's neither here nor there. And not entirely relevant. ....in saying that, it makes sense, even if it is a bit confusing.
katrinka Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 2 hours ago, GalllowsInk said: ....But thats why the one on the right is about to get its butt kicked by the hare, while the dumb one on the left is sniffing about trying to burrow about looking for it. The middle one is less than enthused. That's pretty farfetched, though. Have you ever spent time around Dachshunds? Those silly looking, waddling little things love a good scrap, and they're accomplished at it. They were bred to hunt badgers, after all. I call them "sawed-off Dobermans." They'd make short work of that hare. 2 hours ago, GalllowsInk said: I WAS going to give the Hare Antlers, the same as the Queen... .... didn't quite work, I would think not. 🤣 We've all seen too many kitschy postcards from diners in podunk towns: 2 hours ago, GalllowsInk said: but. Too antagonistic....a few added animals evened it out i guess? https://www.universallifechurch.org/2019/10/17/from-kalulu-the-hare-to-bugs-bunny-trickster-lagomorph-legends/ But the rabbit on the Waite Smith Queen isn't a trickster figure, it's a fertility symbol. There's no trickery about this Queen, even when she's badly aspected:https://www.corax.com/tarot/cards/disks-queen.html It would be better to have the hare fleeing. If the dogs get hold of it, the symbolism is borked. It needs to live to see another day and make more babies. I don't know what the goat is doing there? 2 hours ago, GalllowsInk said: Bit of a story that....I originally had it on the Lovers card when I did a first go round on this at the end of last year... with the Apple hanging from the tree of knowledge... I was aware of the historical / traditional significance of the thing, and it certainly made sense to have it on the Lovers card... LOL. Yes, it fits that one. Not sure what the angel is grinning about, though? 2 hours ago, GalllowsInk said: And, in a seemingly unrelated coincidence, Read the Illuminatus trilogy at the same time. Ah, you're going by RAW. He had his moments. But, as a friend remarked, "most of his stuff is waffle dressed up in occult analogies." You can't go wrong with these:https://principiadiscordia.com/book/1.php https://principiadiscordia.com/bip/1.php https://principiadiscordia.com/bip2013/1.php
GalllowsInk Posted November 17, 2020 Author Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, katrinka said: That's pretty farfetched, though. Have you ever spent time around Dachshunds? Those silly looking, waddling little things love a good scrap, and they're accomplished at it. They were bred to hunt badgers, after all. I call them "sawed-off Dobermans." They'd make short work of that hare. I would think not. 🤣 We've all seen too many kitschy postcards from diners in podunk towns: But the rabbit on the Waite Smith Queen isn't a trickster figure, it's a fertility symbol. There's no trickery about this Queen, even when she's badly aspected:https://www.corax.com/tarot/cards/disks-queen.html It would be better to have the hare fleeing. If the dogs get hold of it, the symbolism is borked. It needs to live to see another day and make more babies. I don't know what the goat is doing there? LOL. Yes, it fits that one. Not sure what the angel is grinning about, though? Ah, you're going by RAW. He had his moments. But, as a friend remarked, "most of his stuff is waffle dressed up in occult analogies." You can't go wrong with these:https://principiadiscordia.com/book/1.php https://principiadiscordia.com/bip/1.php https://principiadiscordia.com/bip2013/1.php Yesssss....And No...I came to the illuminatus trilogy this past April, But Discordianism is something I have always taken an interest in. Anyway...as I said, that's neither here nor there. My Grandparents on my Fathers side had 3 Daschunds, all named Jock, all at the same time. There was Dumb Jock. Angry Jock and Serious Jock. So. That's where that came from. The Hare is a Symbol of Fertility, Yes, and Abundance, prosperity, good luck, etc....but I had also intended on using a link to the Horned God , by way of the Antlers , on a whim. "Cernunnos, the Horned God of neopagan traditions, is lord of both life and death; he grows old as the year progresses before being reborn and starting the cycle anew. He exists in tandem with the divine feminine, the Goddess, who is at once both mother and lover; in many traditions, his power stems from her. Note that Cernunnos neopagan attributes do not necessarily reflect his pre-Christian characteristics." yes, Kitchy depictions of the Jackalope are partly an inspiration for it....because I thouroughly enjoy them....and Also because I didnt feel like drawing a normal, everyday Rabbit because its not something Id enjoy having to figure out how to draw. so Instead, I Ieaned into the Fertility aspect, and the Trickster figure, as an aspect of the design and symoblism, And drew the Biggest, Not-boring rabbit I could, for the fun of it. ...yes there's "Rules" about what does and doesnt symbolise what ,and in which way..... But the encouraging thing about working my own way through this is finding that rules dont actually matter, really. What may be intended as a subtle allusion to a larger story by me, the artist, Can be interperated an entirely different way by the person looking at it. And thats a good thing. The Goat is a representation of Capricorn and is more Prominent on the Thoth Queen of Disks, although that said it does feature on the Arm rests of the RWS Queen of Pentacles Throne... The Queen of Disks The Queen of the Thrones of Earth A Woman of beautiful face with dark hair; seated upon a throne, beneath which is dark sandy earth. One side of her face is light, the other dark; and her symbolism is best represented in profile. Her attire is similar to that of the Queen of Wands: but she bears a winged goat's head as a crest. A goat is by her side. In one hand she bears a sceptre surmounted by a cube, and in the other an orb of gold. She is impetuous, kind; timid, rather charming; greathearted; intelligent, melancholy; truthful, yet of many moods. If ill dignified she is undecided, capricious, changeable, foolish. She rules from 20° Sagittarius to 20° Capricorn. ....aaaand the "Angel" on the Lover's card is grinning and saying, a little sarcastically "to the prettiest" ....but again, this version isn't the version I went withz although it did help me work through some stuff that was going on in my life that makes a lot of sense in context.
katrinka Posted November 17, 2020 Posted November 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, GalllowsInk said: Yesssss....And No...I came to the illuminatus trilogy this past April, But Discordianism is something I have always taken an interest in. Anyway...as I said, that's neither here nor there. My Grandparents on my Fathers side had 3 Daschunds, all named Jock, all at the same time. There was Dumb Jock. Angry Jock and Serious Jock. So. That's where that came from. The Hare is a Symbol of Fertility, Yes, and Abundance, prosperity, good luck, etc....but I had also intended on using a link to the Horned God , by way of the Antlers , on a whim. "Cernunnos, the Horned God of neopagan traditions, is lord of both life and death; he grows old as the year progresses before being reborn and starting the cycle anew. He exists in tandem with the divine feminine, the Goddess, who is at once both mother and lover; in many traditions, his power stems from her. Note that Cernunnos neopagan attributes do not necessarily reflect his pre-Christian characteristics." yes, Kitchy depictions of the Jackalope are partly an inspiration for it....because I thouroughly enjoy them....and Also because I didnt feel like drawing a normal, everyday Rabbit because its not something Id enjoy having to figure out how to draw. so Instead, I Ieaned into the Fertility aspect, and the Trickster figure, as an aspect of the design and symoblism, And drew the Biggest, Not-boring rabbit I could, for the fun of it. ...yes there's "Rules" about what does and doesnt symbolise what ,and in which way..... But the encouraging thing about working my own way through this is finding that rules dont actually matter, really. What may be intended as a subtle allusion to a larger story by me, the artist, Can be interperated an entirely different way by the person looking at it. And thats a good thing. Your deck, yes, you do what you want. I'd find it a muddy read as is, though. I'm not saying that to be mean. It's like cooking - the best decks use compatible symbolism. You've got some leeway to go off the beaten path and experiment, but that can be taken too far. Coconut in the key lime pie? That could work. Sardines? Ummm, I'll pass. 27 minutes ago, GalllowsInk said: The Goat is a representation of Capricorn and is more Prominent on the Thoth Queen of Disks, although that said it does feature on the Arm rests of the RWS Queen of Pentacles Throne... Yes, but what I meant was why is it hanging out with the Dachshunds? You've got a hare, three dogs, and a goat. You claim the hare is going to fight the dogs. Is it also going to fight the goat?
GalllowsInk Posted December 5, 2020 Author Posted December 5, 2020 Sooooo I've been working further on my deck, Im through the suit of 3, and have finally gotten around to scanning stuff...so Im not as concerned about leaving these in mostly black and white now...so Here's some coloured ones, and a bit more kf an explpration of the Heirophant....just to make sure Ive got it down to a level I fully understand itm..
Muse Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 Oh i like your artwork and the symbolism for each card, i will be following with great interest.
BlueToy Posted January 26, 2021 Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) Nice art! I like the rough, dirty (in a good way!) style. I am currently working on a deck that has RWS and Thoth influences too, though not nearly as integrative as yours - I merely use both as creative springboards. I agree too with @katrinka , maybe focusing too much on integrating the Thoth's numerology and sacred geometry as well as ALL the symbols in the original Thoth deck might take away from knowing and experiencing the essence of the card. You don't have to put all the same symbols in each Thoth card in your version - but it would be great if you get to put in your own interpretation of those symbols, how they became meaningful to you (which you seem to be doing now, so good job!). TBH I really love your grunge-y illustration style, and I think it's perfect for something as edgy a deck as the Thoth. Good luck to you, and from what I have seen, you are doing are good job at referencing both decks! 🙂 -Ly EDITED TO ADD: I also love the 80s-90s comic book superhero vibe - reminds me so much of my youth! Edited January 26, 2021 by BlueToy added some more comments
Raggydoll Posted January 26, 2021 Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, BlueToy said: Nice art! I like the rough, dirty (in a good way!) style. I am currently working on a deck that has RWS and Thoth influences too, though not nearly as integrative as yours - I merely use both as creative springboards. I agree too with Katrinka, maybe focusing too much on integrating the Thoth's numerology and sacred geometry as well as ALL the symbols in the original Thoth deck takes away from knowing and experiencing the essence of the card. You don't have to put all the same symbols in each Thoth card in your version - but it would be great if you get to put in your own interpretation of those symbols, how they became meaningful to you (which you seem to be doing now, so good job!). TBH I really love your grunge-y illustration style, and I think it's perfect for something as edgy a deck as the Thoth. Good luck to you, and from what I have seen, you are doing are good job at referencing both decks! 🙂 -Ly Will we soon get to see the deck you’re working on? *fingers crossed* 😊
BlueToy Posted January 26, 2021 Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Raggydoll said: Will we soon get to see the deck you’re working on? *fingers crossed* 😊 Oh you mean MY deck-in-progress? haha Yes I am creating a post for it. I did not know anybody here knew about it! LOL am like the prodigal deck creator going back to the forum scene because SocMed is proving too toxic :.D
Raggydoll Posted January 26, 2021 Posted January 26, 2021 38 minutes ago, BlueToy said: Oh you mean MY deck-in-progress? haha Yes I am creating a post for it. I did not know anybody here knew about it! LOL am like the prodigal deck creator going back to the forum scene because SocMed is proving too toxic :.D I can relate. And I look forward to your post !
tapestryoracle Posted March 21, 2021 Posted March 21, 2021 Hi, I really like your style, it's very consistent and I like the thick outlines. You pieces have a lot of movement.
GalllowsInk Posted June 14, 2021 Author Posted June 14, 2021 Deck Run-through Majors through Half of the Minors .....So I'm not sure if youtube links are allowed, But I uploaded this flipthrough of my sketchbooks so far. (I dont have a youtube channel, it was just for cknvenience) In any case, it has the Major Arcana, The Courts, and Aces, twos, threes, fours and Fives. ......I took a little break and Im just starting on the sixes. A couple cards Ill redo (ace of Cups and the RWS fool in particular ( but Im happy with where im at so far. ....Enjoy!
vulprix Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) @GalllowsInk that Prince of Wands is SO BADASS. Love him. The detailed work on the III of Swords is also gorgeous. Great to see your posts again 🙂 Edited June 14, 2021 by vulprix
GalllowsInk Posted June 14, 2021 Author Posted June 14, 2021 3 hours ago, vulprix said: @GalllowsInk that Prince of Wands is SO BADASS. Love him. The detailed work on the III of Swords is also gorgeous. Great to see your posts again 🙂 Thankyou! I appreciate it. I meant to post here a lot more, but I didnt want to make a nuisance of myself in posting too much... Soooo the video seemed a good option to show how far Ive come .. Im still fiddling about with the colour scheme to make the flames more pronounced and flicked through with green, but I'm fairly happy with how it turned put I wanted to depict the Princes as Knights, but I didnt want to use standard "medieval" looks because the RWS deck is rife with generic knights and Damsels....I actually Borrowed this ones "armour" from some concept art of She-ra from the "Masters of the Universe" movie. When I redraw it I'll probably lean into the whole road warriorb/ tech element a little more because it seems to fit the whole vibe of the card .... The Three of Swords Shows a Golden seam running through it where it has been repaired through Kinsugi....Except the ink I used doesnt quite show up as gold here. .. .its the thought that counts I suppose.
GalllowsInk Posted July 8, 2021 Author Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) Hi Again!....Ive been playing around with colour stuff on my Cards of late and have just done a passover of the 4 kings.... I know that the more traditional school of thought is that each card has very specific colour guides for.....reasons....but Ill be honest and say Ive neither looked into it nor felt I wasfucking uo somehow by not......I think Colour is a very....I dunno....visceral? ...thing....and it doesnt do well when you tell people how theyre supposed to understand it . I think its better to just let it do its own thing. ....maybe thats a bit silly. Still....here's where Im at.... Id love to hear what you think? Edited July 8, 2021 by GalllowsInk
Saturn Celeste Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 On 7/8/2021 at 9:07 AM, GalllowsInk said: have just done a passover of the 4 kings.... Excellent! I think with the action of your cards, you don't really need traditional color because there is nothing really traditional about your art style. Although I do see these cards more as art than tarot, if you know what I mean? Your drawing is really flamboyant and you have so much detail in both the subject and the details surrounding it. I particularly love the parrots in the night sky on the King of Swords. He also reminds me of Scyther from Pokemon.
GalllowsInk Posted July 11, 2021 Author Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) On 7/9/2021 at 11:28 PM, Saturn Celeste said: Excellent! I think with the action of your cards, you don't really need traditional color because there is nothing really traditional about your art style. Although I do see these cards more as art than tarot, if you know what I mean? Your drawing is really flamboyant and you have so much detail in both the subject and the details surrounding it. I particularly love the parrots in the night sky on the King of Swords. He also reminds me of Scyther from Pokemon. Haha! don't think Ive actually heard someone call them parrots before, although I suppose that's what they are! Theyre meant to be Golden Mantle Rosella's: "When they forage, they are conspicuous and chatter noisily. Rosellas are monogamous, and during the breeding season, adult birds will not congregate in groups and will only forage with their mate." .....there's two birds in the sky of the RWS card, but they've got no detail, so they could be any type of bird....I decided to make them Rosella because they're faboulous looking birds, but to call them noisy is being generous. .they're meant to represent the importance of ignoring the silly background chatter and retaining clarity of mind to make the right decision based on what is right and true (as opposed to niggling doubts that are far away and distorted ) ....and also Im trying to add small details to make it obvious this is an Australian deck....although this techically couldnt be set IN Australia as the Comet coming in on the left is the Neowise and we didn't have a way to see that down here. Edited July 11, 2021 by GalllowsInk
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