8. Coffin

[Krystalida]

I've been thinking about the meaning of this card since I've started with Lenormand, which is only before 6 months, I was wondering if it's more like Death in Tarot which has a real but also abstract meaning or if it is about a more pragmatic, actual and permanent end. 

So far my experience with Coffin was more like a strong or weak transformation, not so permanent, in general a change, etc Coffin + House, Scythe was around - change of mind from ending a house contract into making another deal,

Clouds + Coffin - end of partnership, 

Ring + Coffin - a change in a friendship, but was not a big deal and drama didn't last long

In a relationship reading I did Coffin came repeatedly around the significators, the Ring, Child, the couple did have a break for a bit but are back together, things have changed a bit but not necessarily in a negative way. 

I also had Dog + Coffin - Death of a friend 

 

To me it looks a lot like Death, what's your experience? 

[katrinka]

It's an ending, the death of something. But it can also be an illness or a nasty shock. In your first example, the House is weakened, i.e., "ill."

 

But it's not "transformation". That's sugarcoating. 😉

[Guest]

The Coffin is first and foremost an ending. It has other associations: sicknesses and financial losses. But it is an ending. You put the dead in a coffin for a reason. 

 

The trio Coffin — House — Scythe indicates a sudden change (Scythe falling last) in quitting the home. Your original intent ended. Sometimes, as @katrinka  says, the Coffin might indicate that the property is not in good shape or might have issues such as bad foundations or mould. 
 

If the Coffin falls around people cards, that itself is a warning something is off. 

 

A lot also depends on how you are reading. If you’re just doing small lines or a carré then you will see a lighter side of the cards. Endings do not have to have dramatic results. But as we look back we can often see things were never the same. 
 

I hope you are enjoying the cards 🙂

[Krystalida]

 

The combo of Coffin - Scythe - House came with Rider and yesterday I did have a good shock, my car needs a big amount of money to fix it and in general this month financial bills and obligations don't stop coming, could this be the Coffin here?

It is like a financial illness this one 🙂

 

Heavy change? a change with burden maybe? than sayong transformation?

 

I do mainly small spreads, 3 to 5 caRDS and I also throw the GT every 2 months or so, till I feel that things came to happen more or less and I go back and reflect and discover new things, I am still experimenting with how to read them, I mostly read them in pairs with each other and yes linear too, too much information though! I understand that my perception is still limited, I have to see them in time to understand better what's going on and sometimes I don't understand!

 

@timtoldrum definitely things are not the same in all cases that Coffin came up!

 

I also went to see for the Pip of the card, 9 of Diamonds I must say that I found the interpretation very helpful, the interpretation starts with something like '( of diamonds evoked everything that is late' it generally represents obstacles, uncertainty and ill health of a relative, for some reason I don't really understand, I mean, why relative?

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Krystalida said:

 

The combo of Coffin - Scythe - House came with Rider and yesterday I did have a good shock, my car needs a big amount of money to fix it and in general this month financial bills and obligations don't stop coming, could this be the Coffin here?

It is like a financial illness this one 🙂

 

Heavy change? a change with burden maybe? than sayong transformation?

 

I do mainly small spreads, 3 to 5 caRDS and I also throw the GT every 2 months or so, till I feel that things came to happen more or less and I go back and reflect and discover new things, I am still experimenting with how to read them, I mostly read them in pairs with each other and yes linear too, too much information though! I understand that my perception is still limited, I have to see them in time to understand better what's going on and sometimes I don't understand!

 

@timtoldrum definitely things are not the same in all cases that Coffin came up!

 

I also went to see for the Pip of the card, 9 of Diamonds I must say that I found the interpretation very helpful, the interpretation starts with something like '( of diamonds evoked everything that is late' it generally represents obstacles, uncertainty and ill health of a relative, for some reason I don't really understand, I mean, why relative?

 

Hello @Krystalida

 

Yes. The Coffin can indicate a substantial dent in one’s personal finances. The Cavalier is the card of personal transport, and with the Scythe or Coffin, can indicate issues with vehicles. The Cavalier — Mountain can indicate a traffic jam. 
 

The Coffin has various shades. But like Death, it’s not a card of transformation or change. It is an ending. In my experience, at least. Change is the Stork and to a lesser extent the Cloverleaf.  There is folklore, here, too. 

 

I am not too sure which pip meanings that you are referring to me. The Coffin is part of the Schelle or Gelborange. These were associated with the summer, finances and the twist and turns in life. Some of these cards bring gains and others losses. They are mercurial bunch. I published meanings for these in the appendix of my book. The 9 was associated with solvency. I’ve not heard of the association you refer to — but regional variations exist.

 

Try not to become too focused on absolute definitions. Each card is but an essence that combines with another. Enjoy your journey 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Guest

[Krystalida]

On 11/12/2020 at 6:09 PM, timtoldrum said:

The Coffin can indicate a substantial dent in one’s personal finances. The Cavalier is the card of personal transport, and with the Scythe or Coffin, can indicate issues with vehicles

Yes I've read it somewhere that Rider can indicate transportation,

On 11/12/2020 at 6:09 PM, timtoldrum said:

Cavalier — Mountain can indicate a traffic jam. 

Nice one! very logical actually.

 

On 11/12/2020 at 6:09 PM, timtoldrum said:

Change is the Stork and to a lesser extent the Cloverleaf.

Clover though is often said to be a temporary change? or momental?

On 11/12/2020 at 6:09 PM, timtoldrum said:

I am not too sure which pip meanings that you are referring to me. The Coffin is part of the Schelle or Gelborange. These were associated with the summer, finances and the twist and turns in life. Some of these cards bring gains and others losses. They are mercurial bunch. I published meanings for these in the appendix of my book. The 9 was associated with solvency. I’ve not heard of the association you refer to — but regional variations exist.

I found this meaning on a site online, are we aloud to post other site links here?

 

Its not easy to find something good online, even the interpretations in the book I have of my deck makes me feel like is unfinished, I don;t feel satisfied with the meanings I read, of course I understand that practise and talking over brings clarity.

I ll visit the sites you have here 🙂

 

Thank you I am enjoying Lenormand!

 

 

[Guest]

18 hours ago, Krystalida said:

Yes I've read it somewhere that Rider can indicate transportation,

Nice one! very logical actually.

 

Clover though is often said to be a temporary change? or momental?

I found this meaning on a site online, are we aloud to post other site links here?

 

Its not easy to find something good online, even the interpretations in the book I have of my deck makes me feel like is unfinished, I don;t feel satisfied with the meanings I read, of course I understand that practise and talking over brings clarity.

I ll visit the sites you have here 🙂

 

Thank you I am enjoying Lenormand!

 

 

Hi @Krystalida

 

Some readers prefer the Boat to the Cavalier but most these days prefer the latter for a car or bike. After all, horses were the cars of their day. You will find most of the combinations are quite literal — such as the Scythe and Bear for haircuts, shaving, and so on.

 

With certain cards — including the Coffin — there is nuances that come from the design.  Often you will see a pall on one side of the Coffin. If a card touches the side of the pall, its combination will be different than if it falls to the side that is uncovered. 

 

German readers sometimes refer to to the Cloverleaf as the small luck. @katrinkais more familiar with the Germanic perspective than I am.  What I find is that the Cloverleaf provides a chance or opportunity which is not open ended. That itself does not mean temporary change,  just that it is more down to you to seize — carpe diem.

 

I’m not sure what the posting policy is. As an author it would also be inappropriate for me to comment. I do include info on my site which is free and in my signature. Mary Marco, Colette Silvestre and Marie Delclos (French) and Anna Weng (German) reference the pips in their works to varying degrees. 
 

As you will know, the Petit Lenormand started life as the Das Spiel der Hoffnung. It’s creator included two playing card inserts of the patterns that was most common in what is now modern-day Germany (German and Alsatian/French). The former has suits of hearts, bells (diamonds), leaves (spades) and acorns (clubs). If you look at the clubs’ cards, the more troublesome pictures are found in its ranks as the Germans associated acorns with hardship, toil and winter. The German’s refer to trèfles as crosses.

Individual cards had different meanings (depending on the reader), but on the whole, the 9 of Bells/Diamonds was seen as solvency or your own money. 

Quite a few Petit Lenormand readers ignore the pips; but I find them useful. However, I did not use them when I first started learning the system (as a child). Over time, you find different layers open up. Times change. Cards evolve.

I use the suit dominance and multiples for extra details. For example, if you see the King and Queen of one suit side by side, you can be sure a couple are important in the reading. The hearts and spades courts can be the maternal and paternal sides of the family. 
 

I am glad you are enjoying them. They are a fantastic system and one that I owe much to. 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Guest
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[DownUnderNZer]

On 11/11/2020 at 10:47 AM, Krystalida said:

I've been thinking about the meaning of this card since I've started with Lenormand, which is only before 6 months, I was wondering if it's more like Death in Tarot which has a real but also abstract meaning or if it is about a more pragmatic, actual and permanent end. 

So far my experience with Coffin was more like a strong or weak transformation, not so permanent, in general a change, etc Coffin + House, Scythe was around - change of mind from ending a house contract into making another deal,

Clouds + Coffin - end of partnership, 

Ring + Coffin - a change in a friendship, but was not a big deal and drama didn't last long

In a relationship reading I did Coffin came repeatedly around the significators, the Ring, Child, the couple did have a break for a bit but are back together, things have changed a bit but not necessarily in a negative way. 

I also had Dog + Coffin - Death of a friend 

 

To me it looks a lot like Death, what's your experience? 

 

COFFIN

 

This use to be the one card that terrified me the most when it turned up. 

 

For me personally it can be about death, endings and transitions, but other cards have to factor in especially flanking cards. The cards closest to it.

 

It all depends on the question and where the 

Coffin card falls in a spread or GT, but most importantly what cards are with or around it.

 

Goes for most key cards or main focus cards.

 

Also, remember there are some combos that mean the exact same thing.

 

For example:

QUESTION: How likely are we getting back together - my ex and I?

 

Scenario One:

 

21+24+08

08+24+21

 

08+24 or 24+08 - 

 

The love has quite literally died. Both combos. No real difference in meaning. And it looks very unlikely that anyone is getting back together in both 3 card spreads. It is over - no rekindling whatsoever.

 

Scenario Two:

 

1) 08+02+01

2) 02+01+08

 

1) This is putting across the relationship ended already (past), but that the person is looking for a second chance and coming back into the querent's life - staying not leaving.

 

2) The person gave it a second chance, got back together, but it didn't work out - so it's over.

 

TRANSITIONAL:

 

It can be transitional.

 

SPIRITUAL:

 

08+22+06

 

Transitioning from one plane to another...like the earth plane to spiritual plane.

 

LOVE:

 

?+24+08+22+18+?

 

Whatever the person felt before is no longer the same anymore and although that has ended (24+08) it has evolved or transitioned (08+22) to something different, but familiar. A friendship or amicable situation. (22+18)

 

JOB: What are my chances of the promotion?

 

14+01+08+22+02

It looks like the offer is on the table (14+01) but that this transitions to something else (01+08+22) - other opportunities(22+02) in the works rather than the job promotion asked about by the querent.

 

Always pay attention to the cards that are next or around the Coffin.

 

 

DND 🌞

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Krystalida]

On 11/14/2020 at 1:56 AM, timtoldrum said:

Hi @Krystalida

 

Some readers prefer the Boat to the Cavalier but most these days prefer the latter for a car or bike. After all, horses were the cars of their day. You will find most of the combinations are quite literal — such as the Scythe and Bear for haircuts, shaving, and so on.

 

With certain cards — including the Coffin — there is nuances that come from the design.  Often you will see a pall on one side of the Coffin. If a card touches the side of the pall, its combination will be different than if it falls to the side that is uncovered. 

 

German readers sometimes refer to to the Cloverleaf as the small luck. @katrinkais more familiar with the Germanic perspective than I am.  What I find is that the Cloverleaf provides a chance or opportunity which is not open ended. That itself does not mean temporary change,  just that it is more down to you to seize — carpe diem.

 

I’m not sure what the posting policy is. As an author it would also be inappropriate for me to comment. I do include info on my site which is free and in my signature. Mary Marco, Colette Silvestre and Marie Delclos (French) and Anna Weng (German) reference the pips in their works to varying degrees. 
 

As you will know, the Petit Lenormand started life as the Das Spiel der Hoffnung. It’s creator included two playing card inserts of the patterns that was most common in what is now modern-day Germany (German and Alsatian/French). The former has suits of hearts, bells (diamonds), leaves (spades) and acorns (clubs). If you look at the clubs’ cards, the more troublesome pictures are found in its ranks as the Germans associated acorns with hardship, toil and winter. The German’s refer to trèfles as crosses.

Individual cards had different meanings (depending on the reader), but on the whole, the 9 of Bells/Diamonds was seen as solvency or your own money. 

Quite a few Petit Lenormand readers ignore the pips; but I find them useful. However, I did not use them when I first started learning the system (as a child). Over time, you find different layers open up. Times change. Cards evolve.

I use the suit dominance and multiples for extra details. For example, if you see the King and Queen of one suit side by side, you can be sure a couple are important in the reading. The hearts and spades courts can be the maternal and paternal sides of the family. 
 

I am glad you are enjoying them. They are a fantastic system and one that I owe much to. 

Hi @katrinka apologies for my late reply, is been so busy these that I didn't have the concentration to write properly. 

 

It took me a while to understand which card is the Boat I didn't match it with the ship xaxaxa humans, we are full of habits 🙂

 

Yees I do find them sooooo literal and rational. 

 

For the Coffin, a pall do you mean a veil? 

 

I think that I also follow the German perspective after I search through, I use the Enchanted Lenormand so as my first I started by following the book but I must say that I feel that the meanings don't match with me, in general I find the meanings online similar and really vague. 

 

Yes I ve read about their roots never heard though of these suit names. 

 

I think also the pips add a lot, but step by step 🙂

[Krystalida]

On 11/14/2020 at 5:44 PM, DownUnderNZer said:

COFFIN

 

This use to be the one card that terrified me the most when it turned up. 

 

For me personally it can be about death, endings and transitions, but other cards have to factor in especially flanking cards. The cards closest to it.

 

It all depends on the question and where the 

Coffin card falls in a spread or GT, but most importantly what cards are with or around it.

 

Goes for most key cards or main focus cards.

 

Also, remember there are some combos that mean the exact same thing.

This card is haunting me the last 2 months, along with 1 -2 others which I will talk in another thread, 

I ve experienced it as an actual death and loss in some area , but yes transition mostly, even if temporary, of course I don't know in the future if it will show up with the results back in a permanent state.

 

Key cards and Main focus cards? are there categories with the cards?

 

On 11/14/2020 at 5:44 PM, DownUnderNZer said:

For example:

 

QUESTION: How likely are we getting back together - my ex and I?

 

Scenario One:

 

21+24+08

08+24+21

 

08+24 or 24+08 - 

 

The love has quite literally died. Both combos. No real difference in meaning. And it looks very unlikely that anyone is getting back together in both 3 card spreads. It is over - no rekindling whatsoever.

 

Scenario Two:

 

1) 08+02+01

2) 02+01+08

 

1) This is putting across the relationship ended already (past), but that the person is looking for a second chance and coming back into the querent's life - staying not leaving.

 

2) The person gave it a second chance, got back together, but it didn't work out - so it's over.

 

TRANSITIONAL:

 

It can be transitional.

 

SPIRITUAL:

 

08+22+06

 

Transitioning from one plane to another...like the earth plane to spiritual plane.

 

LOVE:

 

?+24+08+22+18+?

 

Whatever the person felt before is no longer the same anymore and although that has ended (24+08) it has evolved or transitioned (08+22) to something different, but familiar. A friendship or amicable situation. (22+18)

 

JOB: What are my chances of the promotion?

 

14+01+08+22+02

 

It looks like the offer is on the table (14+01) but that this transitions to something else (01+08+22) - other opportunities(22+02) in the works rather than the job promotion asked about by the querent.

 

Interesting combos and interpretations! 

I had recently Coffin - Scythe - Woman: A relationship with a woman has ended after some angry words exchanged

[katrinka]

33 minutes ago, Krystalida said:

For the Coffin, a pall do you mean a veil? 

 

Not a veil. The heavier cloth that covers the Coffin in some decks:

[Krystalida]

8 hours ago, katrinka said:

 

Not a veil. The heavier cloth that covers the Coffin in some decks:

No it doesn't have any but maybe the crosses around can point to a meaning, I should watch this to which ccards the crosses touch.

 

What about the Coffin + Child, I went through my diary last night cause I have this combo coming up lately and I have discovered that is been coming since September mainly in this order, Is is very confusing for me as one is death and the other is birth 🙂 somehow, for a while I was thinking is it was an actual child itis pointing but I m starting to think that it could be about the new business we ve started wwith my partner, it makes more sense. But again, around internet you only find typical meaning like 'death of a child, or death of innocence etc'

[katrinka]

7 hours ago, Krystalida said:

No it doesn't have any but maybe the crosses around can point to a meaning, I should watch this to which ccards the crosses touch.

 

I wouldn't. 
Of course you can do what you like, but there's already a Cross card in the deck and there's nothing I've seen in the older literature that takes into account any crosses that might happen to be on the Coffin card.

Additionally, not everyone uses things like the pall. A lot of people rely simply on card order. So it's perfectly fine to say that the Coffin ends the card before it and has an adverse effect on the card that follows it. 

 

7 hours ago, Krystalida said:

 

What about the Coffin + Child, I went through my diary last night cause I have this combo coming up lately and I have discovered that is been coming since September mainly in this order, Is is very confusing for me as one is death and the other is birth 🙂 somehow, for a while I was thinking is it was an actual child itis pointing but I m starting to think that it could be about the new business we ve started wwith my partner, it makes more sense. But again, around internet you only find typical meaning like 'death of a child, or death of innocence etc'

 

I don't think "death of a child" is a typical meaning. 😬 And with the Coffin coming first, it would be a sick child, not a dying one.
When the Child is not a literal child, it's usually something new or small. And when the Coffin comes before a card it generally brings a shock or illness.  So it could be a minor illness - this is cold season, after all. Or it might be talking about your new business, if you specifically asked about that or if these were general readings. Otherwise, it's something else. You need the question to put it in context.

[Guest]

Hi @Krystalida and @katrinka

 

Sorry if I confused you. I prefer the term Boat to Ship, and Serpent and Hound to Snake and Dog, et cetera. It’s just personal preference. 
 

Often the Coffin — Child indicates growing pains, e.g. a matter runs into difficulty or struggles in its infancy and may have to be aborted. 

 

It is important to remember that the Child and something “new” is a recent synonym. The card did not show a baby, but a child around the age 5 - 8.  The Child often talks more of early phases or something established that is still in its infancy. 
 

If your Coffin card doesn’t have a pall, you cannot substitute something else imho. The pall is a mnemonic — most decks have it on the left, which is the side that ends, e.g. what comes before is over: 

 

Heart — Coffin is love that has died. There is no feelings or regret left. 
 

Coffin — Heart is dying love, heartache and grief.
 

Order matters 98% of the time.
 

Combinations where it doesn’t tend to involve the Clouds, e.g. Clouds — Birds and Birds — Clouds both warn someone to stay silent. If you don’t trouble will double. 

Edited November 24, 2020 by Guest

[Francine]

I don't think anyone should be afraid of the tarot cards as to me the cards do have different interpretations depending on who l am reading for..but l do accept the tower, the 9 of swords, the devil and death card are seen as the baddies of any deck ..Fran Tarot 

[gregory]

How is this relevant to a thread about a specific Lenormand card ?

[Krystalida]

6 hours ago, katrinka said:

I wouldn't. 
Of course you can do what you like, but there's already a Cross card in the deck and there's nothing I've seen in the older literature that takes into account any crosses that might happen to be on the Coffin card.

Good to know that

6 hours ago, katrinka said:

I don't think "death of a child" is a typical meaning. 😬 And with the Coffin coming first, it would be a sick child, not a dying one.
When the Child is not a literal child, it's usually something new or small. And when the Coffin comes before a card it generally brings a shock or illness.  So it could be a minor illness - this is cold season, after all. Or it might be talking about your new business, if you specifically asked about that or if these were general readings. Otherwise, it's something else. You need the question to put it in context.

Yes a sick child I think was in some interpretations I ve read, it mainly comes in weekly readings, and it came 2 GDT I did tha last 4 months, next to my significator, like I siad to DownUnderNZer, this card haunts me for some time now!

 

Edited November 24, 2020 by Krystalida

[Krystalida]

4 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

Often the Coffin — Child indicates growing pains

That's an interesting meaning, I can see where it can applied.

4 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

If your Coffin card doesn’t have a pall, you cannot substitute something else imho. The pall is a mnemonic — most decks have it on the left, which is the side that ends, e.g. what comes before is over: 

Yees I ll stick with that.

4 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

eart — Coffin is love that has died. There is no feelings or regret left. 
 

Coffin — Heart is dying love, heartache and grief.
 

Order matters 98% of the time.

Like katrinka said that when Coffin is firstt it adverse the next one, I find till now that when is next in line it seals it somehow, an ending, kaput!

 

4 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

Clouds both warn someone to stay silent. If you don’t trouble will double

I had the Clouds + Coffin in a daily draw a while ago, I had an intense conversation with a client that cleared things up, I never accepted him again here after I understood his intentions, I took it as ''the confusion will end''

[Krystalida]

4 hours ago, Francine said:

I don't think anyone should be afraid of the tarot cards as to me the cards do have different interpretations depending on who l am reading for..but l do accept the tower, the 9 of swords, the devil and death card are seen as the baddies of any deck ..Fran Tarot 

Indeed! and unavoidably are a part of life and who we are in different expressions .

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Krystalida said:

 

I had the Clouds + Coffin in a daily draw a while ago, I had an intense conversation with a client that cleared things up, I never accepted him again here after I understood his intentions, I took it as ''the confusion will end''

The Clouds is the most malefic card in the pack. It “clouds” other cards.
 

It is crucial not to fall into the trap of equating the card with confusion. The Clouds do not “mean” confusion  — do you become confused each time you see a cloud? No. Confusion is just a byproduct of the Clouds’ obstruction.  The Clouds create a storm in the environment and problems.

Key — Coffin can indicate something is sealed or never to be revealed. It is the lead lined casket or sealed tomb. 
 

@katrinkais correct on the adverse effects of the card following the Coffin. I describe it as sickly. 

[katrinka]

15 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

The Clouds is the most malefic card in the pack. It “clouds” other cards.
 

It is crucial not to fall into the trap of equating the card with confusion. 

 

Yes. 
The name of the card, and the image on the card, is Clouds, not Fog. I'm guessing somebody conflated the two at some point and it just got repeated endlessly. There's a lot of bad signal out there (thanks a lot, internet 😒) , but it can be debunked with simple logic:

 

15 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

The Clouds do not “mean” confusion  — do you become confused each time you see a cloud? No.

 

[Guest]

16 hours ago, katrinka said:

 

Yes. 
The name of the card, and the image on the card, is Clouds, not Fog. I'm guessing somebody conflated the two at some point and it just got repeated endlessly. There's a lot of bad signal out there (thanks a lot, internet 😒) , but it can be debunked with simple logic:

 

 

Some believe The Fog would be more appropriate; however, from discussing the card with numerous students, I doubt that it would help.
 

The issue is a failure to distinguish between sign and symptoms.  
 

As you know, the Clouds will cast shadows over an events, disturb situations or rain on your projects. These are signs and objective phenomena. The seeker and their entourage will be able to see the Clouds “at work.”  
 

Confusion may arise, out of these, but that is a symptom — and will be perceived by individuals alone. 

The confusion emphasis, to me, stems more from subjective, “psychological” and abstract readings that arose in the New Age.

If we look at Droesbeke, in 1987, the Clouds was still malefic. Even in the French and English translations (1989/90s) it remains problematic. Over the next 20 years, however, it became even more toned down (like several trèfle cards (Serpent, Renard/Fox, Mice). 
 

We see the Clouds as a benign symbol. But in divination, the absence of light is considered malefic.
 

Similarly, clouds, and the weather itself, could ruin many a livelihood in the 18/19 centuries.  It still can (in our troubled times — hurricanes, floods, et cetera). 
 

There are a few Lenormand-influenced French oracles. These tend to show thunder and lightning on the les nuages/nuées cards. It helps.

 

That said there are readers who would swear by the confusion tag... so who knows. 

Edited November 26, 2020 by Guest
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[Krystalida]

On 11/25/2020 at 12:14 PM, timtoldrum said:

The Clouds is the most malefic card in the pack. It “clouds” other cards.
 

It is crucial not to fall into the trap of equating the card with confusion. The Clouds do not “mean” confusion  — do you become confused each time you see a cloud? No. Confusion is just a byproduct of the Clouds’ obstruction.  The Clouds create a storm in the environment and problems.

Key — Coffin can indicate something is sealed or never to be revealed. It is the lead lined casket or sealed tomb. 
 

@katrinkais correct on the adverse effects of the card following the Coffin. I describe it as sickly. 

It can blurry the atmosphere though?

I had it with the WHip for troubles!

 

The Key is one of the cards I haven;t undestanf d yet, but in another post 🙂

 

[Krystalida]

19 hours ago, katrinka said:

The name of the card, and the image on the card, is Clouds, not Fog

Good point!

 

[Krystalida]

4 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

As you know, the Clouds will cast shadows over an events, disturb situations or rain on your projects. These are signs and objective phenomena. The seeker and their entourage will be able to see the Clouds “at work.”  

This reminds me a phrase we use here in slung, something like "I m taken from darkness" the meaning is that someone got clouded cause they are very angry, in some cases the word clouded is used also.

 

5 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

That said there are readers who would swear by the confusion tag... so who knows. 

Id there any good sourve on internet or book to learn the meanings?