Lenormand vs Kipper

[Starlight]

The Mystisches is also fairly recent, and a lot less traditional than the Fin de Siecle, as there is a certain amount of artistic license and additions to the cards that don't jibe with the original meanings. There's little animals and fantasy creatures all over it. Angels sitting in taverns and winged greyhounds are fun to look at, but they're window dressing - they don't have anything to do with the actual meanings. I really don't think of it as a beginner deck at all. Better to learn the system first before transitioning to a deck like that.

 

Wow, I did not know that! So the Mystical Kipper is also a departure from the original system? That's really interesting and good to know - thank you!

 

The Fin de Siecle, the Salish, and the Leidingkarten are good beginner decks.

 

So, is the Fin de Siecle not a departure from but actually a return to the original Kipper system, then? That could explain why it and the Mystical Kipper have those differences.

 

So is the Original. The whole reading method grew around the Original. That's the one with all the clues and lore. The yellow wreath on A Death points to what caused it. The driver on A Journey emphasizes the card he points to with his whip. Hands in pockets, Cupid statues doing this or that - all these things mean something. It's a lot to learn at once, though. It will give you a proper start, but the Fin de Siecle might be easier. Ciro researched the meanings before he did the pictures. They're illustrations of the concept - in many cases, clearer than what you see on the Originals.

Ah, question answered. Ciro researched the original system and based his deck on it. It's worth getting the Fin de Siecle in that case.

 

Do you know of any English language resources for learning the original system, apart from Ciro Marchetti's? Perhaps older resources? Or where I might get an original Kipper deck (even if it's in a language other than English, I can research and translate the titles on the cards to know what they are and what they mean.)

 

Toni Puhle has recently released a deck and book. She's a solid reader, but I don't have her book yet and so can't comment at present. I'm going to pass on the deck - personal taste - but it should readable and OK for beginners.

 

I found this link (https://www.thequeenssword.com/the-card-geeks-kipper-guide-and-kipper-deck-pre-orderpreview/) reviewing the deck and the book - it sounds really good! Even if I don't work with the deck, the book sounds like a great resource.

 

Thanks, katrinka[/member] for letting me know about the Mystical, the Fin de Siecle and the original decks. This is good information to have. :)

[Starlight]

Oh dear, 'The Card Geek's Guide to the Kipper' book is out of stock. Fingers crossed they print some more!! :)

[katrinka]

Do you know of any English language resources for learning the original system, apart from Ciro Marchetti's? Perhaps older resources? Or where I might get an original Kipper deck (even if it's in a language other than English, I can research and translate the titles on the cards to know what they are and what they mean.)

 

Susanne Zitzl has been saying that there will be an english translation of her book for some time now, but we're still waiting. She's quite good, I hope it happens. She has a facebook group in English and German: https://www.facebook.com/groups/kipperkarten/

 

Alexandre Musruck has a Kipper book, but TBH the information is very basic, most of the book is padding.

 

Honestly, there isn't a lot right now. (I think that could change soon, though.) I learned by talking with German readers online (a lot of Germans speak english) and good old Google translate. German sites have TONS of info.

 

Originals are here: https://www.bookdepository.com/Kipper-Karten/9783038191179

 

Thanks for letting me know about the Mystical, the Fin de Siecle and the original decks. This is good information to have. :)

 

My pleasure! Enjoy. :)

[katrinka]

Oh dear, 'The Card Geek's Guide to the Kipper' book is out of stock. Fingers crossed they print some more!! :)

 

Voila! https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/1546444432/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Starlight]

Thank you for the links, katrinka[/member]! Much appreciated.  :)

[The Sibyl]

For anyone interested in comparing both systems, I found this article:

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[Starlight]

For anyone interested in comparing both systems, I found this article:

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Hey Starlight! I wanted to say thank you! I was checking my blog's stats and I saw there was a link to my post from this site and I was like "Ohhhh... thetarotforum... Is that a thing? Why am I not there?" So here I am, thanks to you! :D

 

Hello The Sibyl[/member] ! You're very welcome - it's lovely to have you here! I hope you enjoy the forums. A lot of us came here after the Aeclectic Tarot forum closed down, and it's been home ever since. :)