If it's not, what is it?

[katrinka]

2 minutes ago, fabfranco said:

I see. But what I was aiming for is the understanding that there is an idea of a a privê club, of few members, the chosen few, as a contrasting idea to this publicity of the Park. The cabals, the cliques, etc.

Private clubs are private, and they generally meet on private property, or they might lease a place. It's not a Park situation.
 

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, katrinka said:

Private clubs are private, and they generally meet on private property, or they might lease a place. It's not a Park situation.

Again, my bad choice of words or my inability to put all the things I'm thinking into a coherent form. 

 

What I meant was, if the Garden is public, and the House is private but centered in me, what would be a cabal, an exclusive club, a clique (which is not a building, most of the times)?

 

Am I clear now? 

[Guest]

15 hours ago, fabfranco said:

Again, my bad choice of words or my inability to put all the things I'm thinking into a coherent form. 

 

What I meant was, if the Garden is public, and the House is private but centered in me, what would be a cabal, an exclusive club, a clique (which is not a building, most of the times)?

 

Am I clear now? 

The House card signifies such organisations: Covens, Masonic Lodges, Rosicrucianism, and so on. They require admission and often nominations or oaths. 

[Sadewa]

On 4/29/2021 at 6:10 AM, timtoldrum said:

I associate the Cross + Fishes with Buddhism. I am not too sure on spiritualism. There is several incarnations and denominations. It could involve the Cross + Stars + Sun/Boat.

Dear @timtoldrum, could you please elaborate a bit more on the Cross+Fishes combo? I'm a bit confused how it represents Buddhism. Many thanks in advance!

[katrinka]

Fish are one of the Eight Auspicious Signs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtamangala

 

[Sadewa]

36 minutes ago, katrinka said:

Fish are one of the Eight Auspicious Signs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtamangala

 

Thank you @katrinka! I really appreciate your kind reply!
I remember reading a list of combos that can mean specific religions on Chanah's old blog... At that time I understood that Cross represented religions and the following cards pointed to certain "attributes" (not sure if this is the right way to put it), but not devoted to any particular religion myself, the list remained a puzzle to me.
That wiki intro is really interesting. I guess I'll do some more reading on the subject.

[katrinka]

2 hours ago, Sadewa said:

That wiki intro is really interesting. I guess I'll do some more reading on the subject.

It's interesting on its own merits, but you obviously don't need a deep dive into Buddhism for the purpose of understanding the combo.
The card that follows the Cross is just representative of a symbol commonly associated with the religion being shown in the cards.
So for Judaism, you might see Cross + Stars (Star of David), with Buddhism Cross + Fish, since the Eight Auspicious Signs are a common set of Buddhist symbols. 
At least that's my reasoning. timtoldrum might have a slightly different perspective. 😉 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Sadewa said:

Dear @timtoldrum, could you please elaborate a bit more on the Cross+Fishes combo? I'm a bit confused how it represents Buddhism. Many thanks in advance!

Hello Sadewa. It comes from the Ashtamangala as @katrinkaindicated.

 

I cannot comment on Chanah’s associations. Like the anatomical and health associations I use, most of the denominations come from either observation or just seem natural. It is just a progression of the concept of description.  The Cross with the Moon is Islam because the crescent moon is often used. The Star for Judaism the same. I’ve never found a satisfactory way to pinpoint branches. 

[Decan]

Cross + Fish makes sense to me regarding Buddhism, but I hadn't thought of it to be honest.
Actually it's true that fish is one of the auspicious symbols in this religion, but there is also the more mundane aspect of money, and there are always important demands for "envelopes" (and generosity is a big virtue!); as well, some retreats and teachings are not always cheap, at least in my experience!
However Milarepa didn’t need much in his cave, just a nettle soup…
Life and its mysteries 😇

Edited May 9, 2021 by Decan

[katrinka]

43 minutes ago, timtoldrum said:

I’ve never found a satisfactory way to pinpoint branches. 

TBH, I don't recall the issue ever coming up, so I never really tried.
I suppose some would be fairly easy, e.g., Mahayana vs. Theravada, since they're the "big vehicle" and the "small vehicle", respectively.
But most are not so easily identified.

 

41 minutes ago, Decan said:

but there is also the more mundane aspect of money, and there is always important demands for "envelopes" (and generosity is a big virtue!); as well some retreats and teachings are not always cheap, at least in my experience!

While it's true that this is an issue, it isn't confined to Buddhism. Televangelists in particular are famous for shearing the sheep. 🤣 So the mundane aspect is a little too broad to be of use here, as it can apply to religion in general.

 

 

 

Edited May 9, 2021 by katrinka

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, katrinka said:

TBH, I don't recall the issue ever coming up, so I never really tried.

It has only ever come up once. Years ago.   I was asked if the person was Protestant or Catholic. In the end I had to do a separate yes/no.

[Sadewa]

8 hours ago, katrinka said:

It's interesting on its own merits, but you obviously don't need a deep dive into Buddhism for the purpose of understanding the combo.

I agree. 😉 and I don't plan to get those two intermingled.  The thing is I haven't heard about Ashtamangala before, so I guess it will be a "learn a new thing daily" sort of thing...

7 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

Hello Sadewa. It comes from the Ashtamangala as @katrinkaindicated.

 

I cannot comment on Chanah’s associations. Like the anatomical and health associations I use, most of the denominations come from either observation or just seem natural. It is just a progression of the concept of description.  The Cross with the Moon is Islam because the crescent moon is often used. The Star for Judaism the same. I’ve never found a satisfactory way to pinpoint branches. 

Thank you @timtoldrum. 
I took Chanah's writing mainly as a source for inspiration. By the time I stumbled upon her blog I had already learnt a bit about lenormand, so it seemed inappropriate to arbitrarily "fit" whatever she wrote into my practice. However, I have to admit I was impressed by those combos, and wanted to know how she came up with them.  Luckily this thread provided me with an opportunity to ask.

Thanks again for all your kind replies. 

[Decan]

Chanah's old blog was really great, but Katrinka or Timtoldrum said that she no longer wanted people to refer to her old writings on the Web, so that's something good to know to respect the author's will. I took some notes on my side. But where is Timtoldrum? 🙄

Edited May 29, 2021 by Decan

[stephanelli]

1 hour ago, Decan said:

But where is Timtoldrum? 

People come and people go from forums for many reasons. Maybe they'll be back in the future. 🤷🏽‍♀️

 

Unfortunately this isn't the place to discuss it!