akiva Posted November 13, 2023 Posted November 13, 2023 Hey Kipper karten lovers! I found this website that's on the wayback machine. It covers skat cards and Kipper cards, so I thought I'd share the links to the Kipper parts here for others that want to learn. The site is in German so does need Google translate (chrome is great for this): Kipper card meanings Making combinations Grand Tableau Enjoy 😁
DanielJUK Posted November 14, 2023 Posted November 14, 2023 Thank you for this @akiva 🙏 Kipper is actually my fave of all cartomancy but it's so hard finding good English resources for it and I don't read German 😞 . I should use translate more on the German resources!
akiva Posted November 14, 2023 Author Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, DanielJUK said: Thank you for this @akiva 🙏 Kipper is actually my fave of all cartomancy but it's so hard finding good English resources for it and I don't read German 😞 . I should use translate more on the German resources! Translating is really easy on chrome's mobile browser, it does it automatically. 😁 This is by far the most in-depth Kipper resource I've seen! Some of the images are missing but it really gets deep into the details. And combinations, which are great for getting an idea of learning to read them directionally. I've always dipped in and out of Kipper myself. Never quite finding exactly where it sat in my reading practice. Like what kind of readings it's good for. But I think this resource could change that 😊 Did you ever do GT's with Kipper cards?
Barleywine Posted January 16, 2024 Posted January 16, 2024 I see that Toni Puhle's Kipper book is out on Amazon now, and Alexandre Musruck has one too but I'm hesitant about that since I recall that his Lenormand book got mixed reviews. When I was working with the ASS Original Kipperkarten (I haven't touched it in a while) all I had in English was the Traditional Kipperkarten Primer at katrinka/fennario/stella's blog site. My link still works (pointed at an old blog location, I think) but I don't see it when I go directly to the current site.
akiva Posted January 16, 2024 Author Posted January 16, 2024 8 minutes ago, Barleywine said: I see that Toni Puhle's Kipper book is out on Amazon now, and Alexandre Musruck has one too but I'm hesitant about that since I recall that his Lenormand book got mixed reviews. I can't say anything about Puhle's book but I have Musruck's and it's okay... There's better out there though! I much prefer Leidings little books, even if they were extortionately priced, and the links above are a great free resource. The guide book for the ASS Kipper (red box version) is also quite good. More than enough to start reading with. Here's a pic of the set:
DanielJUK Posted January 16, 2024 Posted January 16, 2024 Some of our members have reviewed Puhle's book in the past -
Barleywine Posted January 17, 2024 Posted January 17, 2024 34 minutes ago, DanielJUK said: Some of our members have reviewed Puhle's book in the past - Thanks! Looks like one I will have to pick up when I resume with the Kipperkarten. I like katrina's stuff, and if she likes Puhle, that's good enough for me.
Sar Posted January 17, 2024 Posted January 17, 2024 10 hours ago, akiva said: I can't say anything about Puhle's book but I have Musruck's and it's okay... There's better out there though! I much prefer Leidings little books, even if they were extortionately priced, and the links above are a great free resource. The guide book for the ASS Kipper (red box version) is also quite good. More than enough to start reading with. Here's a pic of the set: I was in touch with Hildegerd Leiding to get her books on Kipper translated to English, she said it has been spoken about. This is some years ago, and nothing has happen yet.
akiva Posted January 17, 2024 Author Posted January 17, 2024 57 minutes ago, Sar said: I was in touch with Hildegerd Leiding to get her books on Kipper translated to English, she said it has been spoken about. This is some years ago, and nothing has happen yet. That would be great if they were translated! Though they are very easy to decipher as the German in them is quite simple 😊
MlleTemperance Posted March 6, 2025 Posted March 6, 2025 Both Musruck and Puhle take the direction of the cards into account (ex.: what the character is facing = future or auspicious placement), and it is similarly mentioned on this website, although some Master Card spreads don't always seem to take that into consideration (as described here: past to the left and future to the right). I feel like directionality is a great addition to Kipper reading, but I am curious what are your personal thoughts on this?
katrinka Posted March 6, 2025 Posted March 6, 2025 2 minutes ago, MlleTemperance said: Both Musruck and Puhle take the direction of the cards into account (ex.: what the character is facing = future or auspicious placement), and it is similarly mentioned on this website, although some Master Card spreads don't always seem to take that into consideration (as described here: past to the left and future to the right). I feel like directionality is a great addition to Kipper reading, but I am curious what are your personal thoughts on this? Musruck cranks out books on every deck he encounters, so I don't take him seriously. Toni overdoes the directional stuff: you're kind of shoved around the board. None of the German readers I asked had even heard of "stop cards." Leiding is the one to read.
RunningWild Posted March 6, 2025 Posted March 6, 2025 6 hours ago, katrinka said: None of the German readers I asked had even heard of "stop cards." It must be part of that “bohemian” reading method she mentions. 😅 I think she might call them that for instructional purposes for us newbies to Kipper cards.
katrinka Posted March 6, 2025 Posted March 6, 2025 23 minutes ago, RunningWild said: It must be part of that “bohemian” reading method she mentions. 😅 Let's hope it's that and not what she calls the "True Bavarian Method." 🤣 24 minutes ago, RunningWild said: I think she might call them that for instructional purposes for us newbies to Kipper cards. I do get the impression that she cooked all that up as a teaching method. Well, not all of it, Kipper reading does utilize directional cues. But she made it ALL directional. It probably cuts down on "What do I do now?" questions. Go left! Go up! Stop! etc. Much like Andy's noun-adjective Lenormand exercise, it's good for getting accustomed to the cards but not something I would recommend as a reading technique. On 11/14/2023 at 8:20 AM, akiva said: Translating is really easy on chrome's mobile browser, it does it automatically. 😁 If you have Google Lens on your phone, it's as easy as point and shoot.
RunningWild Posted March 6, 2025 Posted March 6, 2025 7 minutes ago, katrinka said: Let's hope it's that and not what she calls the "True Bavarian Method." 🤣 That’s what it was! Sorry, a friend of mine has gone all ‘boho’ with her interior decorating so I’ve had that on my mind along with trying to figure out what I’ve done with acetaminophen to cure the headache from looking at it.
katrinka Posted March 7, 2025 Posted March 7, 2025 1 hour ago, RunningWild said: That’s what it was! Sorry, a friend of mine has gone all ‘boho’ with her interior decorating so I’ve had that on my mind along with trying to figure out what I’ve done with acetaminophen to cure the headache from looking at it. I like boho, but yeah...it's easy to go overboard and make it headache-inducing.
Lovebird Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 On 11/13/2023 at 12:00 PM, akiva said: Hey Kipper karten lovers! I found this website that's on the wayback machine. It covers skat cards and Kipper cards, so I thought I'd share the links to the Kipper parts here for others that want to learn. The site is in German so does need Google translate (chrome is great for this): Kipper card meanings Making combinations Grand Tableau Enjoy 😁 Thank you a lot for those resources, it helps me a lot
katrinka Posted March 30, 2025 Posted March 30, 2025 Ahem. 😁 I'll just leave this here. It must be good for something, I've had to send out several DMCAs. Feel free to share, just don't attempt to take credit for it. Please follow the link in my sig for further info.
Lovebird Posted March 31, 2025 Posted March 31, 2025 On 11/13/2023 at 12:00 PM, akiva said: Hey Kipper karten lovers! I found this website that's on the wayback machine. It covers skat cards and Kipper cards, so I thought I'd share the links to the Kipper parts here for others that want to learn. The site is in German so does need Google translate (chrome is great for this): Kipper card meanings Making combinations Grand Tableau Enjoy 😁 Akiva, do you perhaps know if the information of the archive you posted in German comes from some book? I would love having it if it's like that.. To see more examples.. And the pics that are missing. Its been quite useful and I keep reading it. I ordered a book by Zeljko Schreiner, and by Marion Röbkes to see their approaches, ill have to translate them cause are written in German but I get excited about learning kipper. Do you know those autors perhaps?
Teemu Posted March 31, 2025 Posted March 31, 2025 21 minutes ago, Lovebird said: do you perhaps know if the information of the archive you posted in German comes from some book? There are none mentioned by author or title. I scanned the site (and I do read German). If you are really interested, perhaps write directly to the author. She is obviously retired but still can be found.
Lovebird Posted March 31, 2025 Posted March 31, 2025 14 minutes ago, Teemu said: There are none mentioned by author or title. I scanned the site (and I do read German). If you are really interested, perhaps write directly to the author. She is obviously retired but still can be found. The author is Kraheck-Liecker for what I undestood in the archive? Thank you for replying
Teemu Posted March 31, 2025 Posted March 31, 2025 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Lovebird said: The author is Kraheck-Liecker for what I undestood in the archive? Right. But still, it could be difficult to find a working email address. There is an empty facebook profile... Some portals where I am unsure if the data is still actual... good luck Edited March 31, 2025 by Teemu
akiva Posted April 2, 2025 Author Posted April 2, 2025 (edited) On 3/31/2025 at 3:10 PM, Lovebird said: Akiva, do you perhaps know if the information of the archive you posted in German comes from some book? It doesn't afaik. She was a German reader who may not be active anymore. If you Google Kraheck-Leicker, it comes up with a lady called Birgitt, but all the links to her various sites seem to be dead. Though there is a Facebook profile under that name that appears in the search. I don't have Facebook though so can't say more about it. Also just to put it where it's relevant, I also found this website that details keywords for the kipper deck. Unfortunately it doesn't provide any info on how to read them. At least none that I've found yet as the website is tricky to navigate: https://web.archive.org/web/20171014031343/http://engeldeshimmels.beepworld.de/kipperkarten.htm Seems like a good source for what it is. Definitely a throwback to early 2000s style web design aswell 🤣 Edited April 2, 2025 by akiva
Lovebird Posted April 2, 2025 Posted April 2, 2025 1 hour ago, akiva said: It doesn't afaik. She was a German reader who may not be active anymore. If you Google Kraheck-Leicker, it comes up with a lady called Birgitt, but all the links to her various sites seem to be dead. Though there is a Facebook profile under that name that appears in the search. I don't have Facebook though so can't say more about it. Also just to put it where it's relevant, I also found this website that details keywords for the kipper deck. Unfortunately it doesn't provide any info on how to read them. At least none that I've found yet as the website is tricky to navigate: https://web.archive.org/web/20171014031343/http://engeldeshimmels.beepworld.de/kipperkarten.htm Seems like a good source for what it is. Definitely a throwback to early 2000s style web design aswell 🤣 True.. Mm the fb profile seems bank as well but at least what you collected of it is very well written, unfortunately with the pics missing one can only try . It looks she had a very traditional approach which is something I like, and lots of knowledge, I have found other readers in YouTube that don't talk at all about inauspicious cards etc, exactly like her. I'll yet have to find out what these other authors say, the ones of the books I ordered.. Hopefully as time goes by, more books are released 🙏
Lovebird Posted April 2, 2025 Posted April 2, 2025 1 hour ago, akiva said: It doesn't afaik. She was a German reader who may not be active anymore. If you Google Kraheck-Leicker, it comes up with a lady called Birgitt, but all the links to her various sites seem to be dead. Though there is a Facebook profile under that name that appears in the search. I don't have Facebook though so can't say more about it. Also just to put it where it's relevant, I also found this website that details keywords for the kipper deck. Unfortunately it doesn't provide any info on how to read them. At least none that I've found yet as the website is tricky to navigate: https://web.archive.org/web/20171014031343/http://engeldeshimmels.beepworld.de/kipperkarten.htm Seems like a good source for what it is. Definitely a throwback to early 2000s style web design aswell 🤣 Also Ive noticed that some readers just use the GT like a spread to reading, no 3 cards spread etc, or boxes, It could be that the lady was like that and thats why posted the GT, to show is her way (and others) mm it seems that the cards used to come with a little booklet and that's why, ofc some of those meanings wouldn't make much sense these days 😁😅
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