TDM - 11 different page of coins

[Pio2001]

 

Hello. Here are 11 pages of coins from various Tarots de Marseille in my collection (sharper picture here : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZFhrFgBU-7vX71eyQvKty1WoZgiVjjuq/view )

 

It's interesting to see them side by side because it shows how dark some decks can be. The picture has been adjusted so that the colours are as close as possible as the real colours on the cards. Of course, what you see depends a lot on your display device. But if you've got a high quality monitor set in sRGB, what you see is very close to what's on the cards.

 

0 - This card (the Lover) comes from an unknown Grimaud deck (it's written on the top left). I don't have the Page of Coins of that deck. Grimaud's colours are sometimes criticized, but the print quality is good, with a nice warm yellow and deep red and blue.

1 - Le véritable tarot de Marseille - De Mortagne (by Kris Hadar). 1a is the 2025 version, with the DeMortagne logo with a white disc. 1b is an older version from the 2000s, with the DeMortagne logo with three vertical and three horizontal bars. I don't like the skin colour of the 1a version, a bit greenish. The 1b version has deeper colours and looks very nice.

 2 - Tarot de Marseille 1890 - Lo Scarabeo / Anima Antiqua. It is a fac-simile of the tarot de Besançon by Grimaud. Good quality, but quite dark.

3 - Tarot de François Gassmann 1840 - Yves Reynaud 2020. Very good print quality.

4 - Another unknown Grimaud deck with names in french and english. Nice looking colours. 

5 - Tarot de Marseille - Lo Scarabeo (Morsucci / Ottolini). Good print quality, but the colours are a bit too bright to my taste. 

6 - Tarot de Marseille Vintage - Lo Scarabeo (Morsucci / Ottolini / Demagistris). Good print quality.

7 - Le Tarot de Marseille - Colette Sylvestre (Grancher). The set contains a fac simile of the Grimaud 1930, with the light blue of the first printing, that became darker in the next reissues of this deck. However, the cards are too dark. It gives the whole deck a quite dull, muted appearance.

8 - Ancien tarot de Marseille - Dusserre. The box looks exactly like the Grimaud, except that it's written "Dusserre" instead of "Grimaud". It looks like the Grimaud except some cards such as this one. Besides these strange choices of colours, the print quality is poor, with a lack of sharpness, and white spaces between some lines and the colours that they enclose (in the page's arm, for example).

9 - Le Tarot Pas à Pas - Marianne Costa (Dervy). The set includes a fac-simile of Pierre Madenié's tarot of 1709. The card are ultra-glossy. The print quality is good, albeit a little dark.

10 - Tarot de Pierre Madenié 1709 - Yves Reynaud 2022. The brightness was pushed way too far, causing loss of details in the drawings, and some colour shift. The Sun is green instead of yellow, for example. And some blues have become cyan. 

 

 

 

Edited August 30 by Pio2001
Clarification / bad english

[Rose Lalonde]

Nice to see them compared this way! I see some I had never seen before. #6 is lovely. Thanks for your work.

My Yves Madenie deck (your #10, but I have the 2012 ed. with colors more like your #9) is my favorite TdM. 

 

The ones I have that aren't above...

1) Madenie - Mamanmiuki mini redrawn
2) Noblet  - Jean-Claude Flornoy 2007 ed. redrawn (I rounded the corners)
3) Budapest - Sullivan Hissman 2nd ed. reproduction (Maybe not relevant to include this one in a TdM post? - 15th century Italian.)

 

 

 

Edit: Also here's the 2012 Madenie by Yves Renaud. Unrounded corners.

(This edition included the artifacts on the museum sheet, which is more obvious on this card than on many others.)

 

 

Edited August 31 by Rose Lalonde
adding 2012 Yves Madenie

[Pio2001]

Thank you for your participation ! 

 

Yes, we can extend the scope to any page of coins as long as they are from a deck published before 1900.

 

 

I don't know how you managed to include sharp pictures in your message. Again here is a sharper version of the one above (download it to get a higher resolution yet) : https://drive.google.com/file/d/12psGaKvDZdEag1mx2h_19OUGu-QEcNPM/view?usp=sharing

 

Number 3 is the same as number 9 in my first message. It has the size of a standard tarot card.

 

1 - Visonti di Modrone tarot (Mattia d'Auge / Lo Scarabeo) - Faithful restoration including very well made recreation of missing cards (here, the Fantine di Denari is an original card). Excellent quality, although smaller than the original. The cards use matte golden ink (and glossy silver ink for the pips).

2 - Tarot Rothschild page of coins, from the Charles VI tarot set by Marco Benedetti. This set actually includes almost every enluminated tarot card not present in the Visconti-Sforza, Visconti di Modrone or Brambilla tarots. In other words, you get not only the Charles VI tarot, but also the Rothschild, the Alessandro Sforza, and the Ercole d'Este tarots. Print quality is very poor, unfortunately, with blurred images and color shift caused by too much brightness. I find it nonetheless very interesting because I don't know any online resource where all these cards can be found. It even includes an alternative Popess from a second Visconti-Sforza deck.  

3 - Le Tarot Pas à Pas - Marianne Costa (Dervy). As already posted above. Good quality reproduction, although a tiny bit dark.

4 - Tarot de Marseille - Mary Packard (french 3rd edition, Guy Trédaniel). That's the Pierre Madenié redrawn by Rachel Klowes. Very big cards. Good quality, but the background of the cards is purposely darkened.

5 - Le Tarot Minchiate restauré - Emmanuelle Iger, Isabelle Nadolny (Trajectoires). It is a restoration of the All Aquila Minchiate, with original drawings, but colours remade as they may have looked originally.

6 - Minchiate Fiorentine - Marco Benedetti. Original drawings, but modern colours. Unlike the Charles VI, Benedetti did a great job with this one, with sharp and bright pictures.

7 - Minchiate Etruria - Il Meneghello. The finest minchiate deck out there. Excellent print quality. The cards seem small, given the amount of details in the drawings, but that's their original size. 

8 - Tarocco Napoleonico - Il Meneghello. Not to be mistaken with the Tarot de Napoléon. Excellent quality reproduction of an early XIXth century italian tarot.

9 - Tarot de Marseille - Nicolas Conver (Emmanuelle Iger / Animae). A small sized fac simile of the Conver deck. Glossy cards with golden edge. Good print quality. 

 

 

Edited August 31 by Pio2001

[Ferrea]

Thank you for this lovely compilation, @Pio2001! 

What made you choose the Valet, if you don't mind me asking? 

 

Here are some examples I can offer: 

 

1. Tarot Jacques Vieville (ca. 1650, France) facsimile by Héron Boéchat in 1975  

2. Tarot Rhénan by Ignaz Krebs (ca. 1800, Germany), 1984 reprint by Piantnik 

3. Tarot Nicolas Conver (1761, France), photographic reproduction of the original that's in the Bibliothèque Nationale de Paris by Boéchat Frères/Héron 1968 

4. Tarot Jean Dodal (ca. 1700, France), 2009 restored version by Flornoy

5. Le véritable Tarot de Marseille, Fournier’s edition (1977, Spain)  

6. Spanish Tarot (Tarot Español) by Naipes Heraclio Fournier (1975, Spain)  

 

  

 

 

 

7. Tarocchi Perrin (1865, Italy), 2005 reprint by Alberto Peruzzo Editore 

8. Tarocco Napoleonico (1809, Italy), 2023 edition by Il Meneghello

 

 

 

 

 

9. Tarocchino Lombardo, 1981 edition of the Tarocco Soprafino by Edizioni del Solleone 

10. The Classical Tarot, 1999 Lo Scarabeo reproduction of the Tarocco Soprafino created by Carlo Della Rocca and printed by Gumppenberg in 1853, Italy 

11. Les Tarots by Laura Tuan, published by Editions De Vecchi, 1994. The information I found is that it's based on the Soprafino (obviously), but personally, I find the differences too significant to believe it was the publisher or Tuan herself doing ”some editing”. I would love to know which deck exactly this is! The cards of this edition measure 16 x 8 cm.

 

 

[Ferrea]

There are some duplicates now—it just took me so long to finish the post. 

 

Edit: Oh, and I smuggled some post 1900 in. 

Edited August 31 by Ferrea

[Pio2001]

47 minutes ago, Ferrea said:

There are some duplicates now—it just took me so long to finish the post. 

 

Edit: Oh, and I smuggled some post 1900 in. 

 

Thank you for your contribution.

No problem with duplicates. It is even better this way, since we can compare the pictures and see how different the same card look.

 

Post 1900 cards are OK as long as they are Tarot de Marseille. 

Pre 1900 are OK for any tarot or deck containing a Page of coins.

 

52 minutes ago, Ferrea said:

What made you choose the Valet, if you don't mind me asking? 

 

One day, a friend of mine who knew I was interested in old decks brought me a very large folder containing a lot of decks. It had certainly belonged to a collector. In the Tarot section, there were the two examples of Grimaud that I showed in my first message. I don't own any Grimaud deck myself.

But in this folder, there were only a few cards for each deck. Nicely presented on each page. The rest was lost.

The Page of Coins was one of these few cards, and it seemed to me that it was a nice card to use in order to compare decks.  

[Mister]

18 minutes ago, Pio2001 said:

The Page of Coins was one of these few cards, and it seemed to me that it was a nice card to use in order to compare decks. 

It certainly is, not only because its position within the "system" seems to wander quiet a bit. At times, it is close to "without name" (no box below), then it is linked to the 2 same suit by virtue of an artists/publishers name being written on it, then again it can be depicted without either, name or value, setting it closer to the aces... Well, nice thread here is all I wanted to say!

[Rose Lalonde]

2 hours ago, Pio2001 said:

I don't know how you managed to include sharp pictures in your message.

Only by making it small. Anything over a certain size (700 pixels maybe?) comes out blurry for me. 

 

I'm enjoying seeing the same card from so many Tarot de Marseille. Noticing details I hadn't before.

[DanielJUK]

We visited the pics sharpness before and the answer is to specify the pixel size in the options (click on the image when you uploaded it) and then it's sharp. The pic on the thread is like a "thumbnail" which leads to a bigger full size one. If you don't specific the max, the forum auto deals with it annoyingly  -

 

[laforza76]

Here’s a selection of 4 Knaves from pre-1900 decks, reprinted/redrawn by modern publishers:

 

-Vacchetta, reprinted by Lo Scarabeo

-Vandenborre, by Carta Mundi 

-“Ancient Italian”, by Lo Scarabeo

-Anonymous Tarot de Paris, by Gergely Bagameri