The Majors And Their Shadow Cards With Roman Numerals

[fire cat pickles]

I can't take credit for this idea. It was Helvetica/Fudugazi/Sophie from AT who first brought this idea to my attention years ago on AT. She was originally talking about RWS Majors, of course, but it works beautifully for the Minchiate, as well. I have searched and searched the archives at AT, but I couldn't find it. (If anyone can find it, please link it here for me!) She connected Majors via Roman Numeral. I can't remember if she did this for all of them, or whether it was just for a few of them. At any rate, the seed was planted.

 

Since the goal for the other Minchiate Majors threads is to have more detailed study for each card in them, I decided to have a separate thread with a chart explaining how these cards are numerically related so that I can easily refer back to it. This way I can simply provide a link to this thread instead of continually having to explain in those threads any systematic relationship between cards we may discuss.

 

With a little practice and memorization; and thinking in terms of Roman Numerals; it becomes second hand to group the Five Popes further into subgroups of five:

 

Consider the ending numerals I, II, III, IIII, and V (or X) only

 

1st sequence (Papa uno): I. Bagatto, VI. Temperanza, XI. Tiempo, XVI. Speranza, XXI. Acqua, XXXVI. Stella

2nd sequence (Papa due): II. Granduca, VII. Forza, XII. Appeso, XVII. Prudenza, XXII. Terra, XXXVII. Luna

3rd sequence (Papa (tre): III. Imperatore, VIII. Giustizia, XIII. Morte, XVIII. Fede, XXIII. Aria, XXXVIII. Sole

4th sequence (Papa quattro): IIII. Imperatrice, VIIII. Ruota, XIIII. Diavolo, XVIIII. Carita, XXXVIIII. Mondo

5th sequence (Papa cinque): V. Amore, X. Carro, XV. Casa, XX. Fuego, XXXX. Fama

 

The astrological cards are left out of this chart. However, they will be discussed elsewhere in the subforum as we go along.

 

 

 

[Flaxen]

That’s a really interesting approach. Would you see cards with the shared numeral as having properties in common or would there be a sequence of development?

[fire cat pickles]

I'm not sure we should separate these two ideas completely. There should be some crossover, a dovetailing effect of sorts, in order to make the system work. I'm hashing out this idea as we speak right now with the progression from Magician to Temperance, in fact! It is taking some time 🙂 Stay tuned.

 

 

 

 

[fire cat pickles]

2 hours ago, Flaxen said:

That’s a really interesting approach. Would you see cards with the shared numeral as having properties in common or would there be a sequence of development?

 

[Flaxen]

Thank you!

I like the way you have brought both elements into play and I love the comparison with alchemy and higher spiritual concerns. 

[legendaryelement]

Not sure, but I think this is the most appropriate thread to drop this ...

 

I am prepping for what I want to do for May 25 ~ World Tarot (& Towel) Day *aka Geek Pride Day*

and found the (standard) Major Arcana exercise suggested here

 

https://www.tarotassociation.net/world-tarot-day/

 

I'm considering using the Minchiate! Anyone else up for it?

 

I'm browsing info on the virtues and the zodiac signs (alchemy processes) for hints to make prompts for the extra cards.

Edited May 23, 2021 by legendaryelement
fixing link

[fire cat pickles]

@legendaryelement I don't how I missed your post! How did your exercise go?

[legendaryelement]

Hi, FCP! I decided to save the exercise for sometime during the week of June 14-20.

 

- - - - edit

Mental percolation with the Minchiate depictions and possible associations convinced me that the prompts need to be reworked on their own merit. So, I shuffled the Majors ten times to get “my” study project order. (also noted any point value assigned by the card game)

Death/La Morte (13) - 5
> confirmation to let the ‘standard tarot’ project instructions go; bare bones of the Minchiate deck itself

Scorpio/Lo Scorpione (26)
> alchemical process: Separation (two opposite components)
fixed Water; Mars & Pluto
Shaman, Detective, Hypnotist, Alchemist

Pisces/I Pesci (31) - 5
Aquarius/L’Acquario (32) - 5
Western Emperor (3) - 3
Strength/La Forza (7)
Magician/Il Bagatto (1)
Justice/La Giustizia (8)
Water/L’Acqua (21)
Hanged Man/L’Impiccato (12)
Time/Il Tempo (11)
Prudence/La Prudenza (17)
Hope/La Speranza (16)
Eastern Emperor (4) - 3
Air/L’Aria (23)
Sun/Il Sole (38) - 10
Earth/La Terra (22)
Libra/La Bilancia (24)
Virgo/La Vergine (25)
Cancer/Il Cancro (30) - 5
Capricorn/Il Capricorno (28) - 5
Fool/Il Matto (0) - 5
Charity/La Carita (19)
Fire/Il Fuoco (20) - 5
Faith/La Fede (18)
Sagittarius/Il Sagitario (29) - 5
Gemini/I Gemelli (35) - 5
Love/L’Amore (5) - 3
Taurus/Il Toro (34) - 5
Tower/La Torre (15)
Grand Duke/Il Granduca (2) - 3
Devil/Il Diavolo (14) - 5
Chariot/Il Carro (10) - 5
Temperance/La Temperanza (6)
Fame/La Fama (40) - 10
Moon/La Luna (37) - 10
Leo/Il Leone (33) - 5
World/Il Mundo (39) - 10
Aries/L’Ariete (27)
Star/La Stella (36) - 10
Wheel of Fortune/La Ruota della Fortuna (9)

 

Edited June 18, 2021 by legendaryelement
project adjusted