If You Were Able To Dream Big, On a Personal or Global Level, What Would You Really Like To See Happen In Relation To Tarot?

[Little Fang]

If You Were Able To Dream Big, On a Personal or Global Level, What Would You Really Like To See Happen In Relation To Tarot?

[AngelSeer]

Yes! I agree with Ruby Jewel! A University for Tarot would make for a perfect global dream for me. xD 🙂 Being able to learn all the aspects that are related to it as well (I.E. Astrology, numerology etc.) 🙂

[Raggydoll]

On a global scale, I would simply wish for people to become more aware of how an incredible tool that tarot is, and to see just how broad and vast its potential is. I do not want to limit it to but one area of usage, I would like it to be simultaneously used for divination as well as for fun, study, therapy (by those properly educated 😉), self exploration, art projects, fashion, historical studies, magic and rituals etc.. 

 

On a personal scale, I dream of the day I am a wrinkly old fortuneteller lady who gets to teach and learn from a younger tarot-generation. 

[stephanelli]

Globally, I want to see people accept that tarot isn't evil or bad and is just another tool to help us tap into our own energies and those of people around us.  I would love to see tarot reading be a normal thing and helps people learn about themselves.

[gregory]

I would like to see it become "normal" - not in the sense that everyone uses it and it becomes cheapened - but in a way that means that lunatics stop making insane claims about it and bigots can't find anything terrible to bigot about. I do know bigot isn't a verb - but it should be.

 

Just for it to be something that sensible people use to learn things that can't be learned in other ways, and experts use even better. That we can get on and use without Issues or hype. Kind of like medicine - you can do your own thing and buy something OTC to fix it, or you can go to a doctor for specialised help., And crucially - that's seen as perfectly ordinary, not something to make signs of the cross at or to bow down before.

 

Oooh we cross posted. I agree with stephanelli.

Edited July 2, 2019 by gregory

[Barleywine]

I would like to see it become legitimized in the same way that psychology has been "mainstreamed" through repeated (and documented) observation. Most of what we have now for evidence is anecdotal rather than empirical; there is no broad interest in codifying our results and really no "scientific" means to pull it all together. But it's a tall order; even astrology, which has millennia of observation behind it, hasn't achieved that level of veracity. Right now I think of tarot reading as a form of mental physics that we don't yet have the ability to quantify or measure in any structured sense. But we have to start somewhere.

[katrinka]

4 hours ago, Ruby Jewel said:

I would like to see a "University of Tarot" established that incorporated astrology, astronomy, numerology, symbolism, archetypes, psychology, gardening, cooking, art, calligraphy, etc. in its curriculum. It would be run like a Zen monastery, with reverence and commitment to a Zen way of life with Buddhist precepts such as the "Eightfold Path" and the"4 Noble Truths" as a moral foundation. I think it is necessary to avoid the tarot becoming a "cult" energy; and therefore, a definite structure provided for guidance for those esotericists who are accepted into this educational organization. Not everyone is destined to read these powerful cards and there should be a criterion established for students who are accepted into this monastic way of life.

That sounds like heaven on earth. I'd never graduate, I'd purposely flunk just to keep hanging out there, wandering the gardens and having amazing conversations. ("Monastic" is no problem - some things are much better than sex, lol!)

But, that said, there are pitfalls to such ideas. Not so many years back, people were offering "Tarot certifications". It was pure corruption. I blogged about that - click if you like, but be aware that names are dropped and words are not minced. https://fennario.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/pot-meet-kettle/

And there's the practical angle of affordability. I don't know where you live, but here in the US, the Powers That Be have done a very effective job of putting a university education out of reach of the average working stiff. An uneducated population is easier to push around.

Still, it's a beautiful idea!

 

gregory: bigots gotta bigot.
Your keyboard to the OED's ears.

As for me, on a global scale, I just want the STUPID to go away. "Just for it to be something that sensible people use to learn things that can't be learned in other ways, and experts use even better" is a good way of putting it. We are not in league with Satan, nor are we charlatans pretending to read cards in order to extort money from the gullible, nor, OTOH, are we omniscient.

I'm not talking about nonpredictive, introspective readings. I mean fortunetelling, telling the future. Yes, it's real. 

We're just trying to see around corners. I don't know how the cards work, I suspect that the nature of time itself plays a big part. Time is weird and bendy. Einstein and Hawking can tell you a little about that, but there's a lot we don't know yet.

I'm an utter skeptic, a logical, Taurean, double Earth Dog, show-me-peer-reviewed-science type of person. And yet I read cards. Not because of faith, but because I've seen it work too many times to NOT do it. And often, we have no other recourse. People can't simply google "Will he call me this weekend?"

I want an honest inquiry into the workings behind it. An informed inquiry, not some Uri-Geller-illusionist-in-a-lab BS. I want everybody to see it for what it actually IS, and proceed accordingly.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 2, 2019 by katrinka

[Grandma]

I'd like to build the world an altar
And furnish it with love
And decks and crystals and penduli                                                                                 And snow white turtle doves

 

I'd like to teach the world to read
In perfect harmony
With both intuition and traditional meanings
And keep it company

 

I'd like to see the world for once
All standing hand in hand
And hear them share their decks and spreads
For peace throughout the land

 

 

Edited July 2, 2019 by Grandma
Screwy formatting

[Rabbithorns]

I would like to see it "decriminalized" by our Puritanical society. And not to ruffle any feathers, but i would like to see "non-sectarian" tarot in the sense of it not generally being intertwined with crystals or wicca. I have no problem with those, but not everyone who wants tarot readings wants it from that tradition. I meet more people who want readings that are without any accoutrement; sort of modern, if that makes sense, just readings without the reader's own spirituality in it. I'm not sure if that makes sense.

[katrinka]

11 hours ago, Ruby Jewel said:

 The energy is magic.....why else would they begin the major arcana with such a character as a Magician? Only b/c it is all about magic.

In the older decks, he's a mountebank.

Uh oh. 🤣

[katrinka]

2 hours ago, Rabbithorns said:

I would like to see it "decriminalized" by our Puritanical society. And not to ruffle any feathers, but i would like to see "non-sectarian" tarot in the sense of it not generally being intertwined with crystals or wicca. I have no problem with those, but not everyone who wants tarot readings wants it from that tradition. I meet more people who want readings that are without any accoutrement; sort of modern, if that makes sense, just readings without the reader's own spirituality in it. I'm not sure if that makes sense.

It does, and I agree.

 

[AfternoonTarot]

On 7/2/2019 at 4:39 AM, Barleywine said:

I would like to see it become legitimized in the same way that psychology has been "mainstreamed" through repeated (and documented) observation.

 

 Right now I think of tarot reading as a form of mental physics that we don't yet have the ability to quantify or measure in any structured sense. But we have to start somewhere.

Same here. 

 

I’m a psychologist by training and was first introduced to Tarot through readings in Transpersonal Psychology.  The first time I examined a deck I couldn’t believe it - the psychological significance and potential were immediately apparent.   I’d like to see a world where there is enough open-mindedness for these to be seriously considered.

[reall]

huh, I WANT these anime/game light effect when I draw a card & summon!^^ lol

but holo print option & tins finaly getting to pod would be a great start!;D

also I would like true story behind these fascinating Tarot images is reveled but book that would cover each card from all Tarot traditions historical & art symbolic background would be awesome!xD
 

eta; what gregory said it would be nice we got to live in world where Tarot wont implicit torch crowd paying you a visit!;D

but sad fact (in most of the world!) mad crowd may pay you a visit for less,,, facepalm lol

 

Edited July 5, 2019 by reall

[Nordica De Spell]

On a personal level, I’m still figuring it out. Eventually, when I’m an old person, I’ll just pour myself a nice cup of tea and have all my little tarot ducks in a nicely defined box. The other people at the nursing home will have me read for them, and I’ll do so with an RW, and all of the readings will be of happy outcome. 

 

(The nursing home staff will keep on pestering me about flooded toilets, where the called-in plumber has accused all of the Death cards there as being the reason. Hey, at least it’s not tampons, dude.)

 

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Globally, I’d like to see a site that lists all new (and coming) launches in real time. Imagine not having to go through Kickstarter, Indiegogo, Blogs, Independent Publishers, established publishers webpages, etc. 

 

Just one site, and if possible, with campaign dates and/or print run number, and price.

 

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Aside from that, I’d also like it to see a different attitude from (some of the) deck makers and publishers. To not aim for a deck to go OOP the day after it’s launched, and to not on purpose make too few copies but adjust it according to actual demand.

 

And, where it’s evident that there’s a huge demand for an existing OOP, to just do a re-print, where possible.

 

And, for the love of... realize that yes you can list The Greenwood at a 1000 dollars, but it won’t get sold, it will just sit there on ebay unsold for years. Meanwhile, real Greenwood auctions typically lands at around 250-300 dollars, JUST LIKE IT DID SOME YEARS AGO. Not sure what’s going on with all this ebay pricing lately, or with publishers aiming for OOP on purpose. 

 

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Another thing, and this is but a dream... I think there’s too many launches going on everywhere.

 

I’d like to be able to have a pause button that could freeze that frequency of time, everytime I can’t keep up. 

 

OR, oh how wonderful it would be to me if there were coordinated ”release seasons,” like August and Spring, and complete collection and order catalogues for that, being sent out in January. 

 

(With the decks that will become OOP kept at a minimum, in a special section. 

 

And where the costly special editions decks are also a section of its own.)

 

Nice, peaceful, exciting and non-chaotic. 🌷

 

 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Nordica De Spell

[DanielJUK]

I agree with Mary Greer about tarot used as psychology therapies. In the UK and probably in other countries, you cannot be a registered counsellor or therapist with licensing and certification and use tarot in your work, the counselling licensing organisation here does not allow people to practice "unproven techniques" in their standards but I think it's not really been given an attempt to be proven. Using it for therapy (non predictive) is a very different way of using it. I think the therapeutic use of it should at least be experimented with.  The UK org only in recent years forbid conversion therapy and therapists who had their certification, they cannot argue that is a proven therapy by any stretch, it only got changed as a policy because a journalist did a hidden investigation of all the conversion therapy therapists using it with their official certification 😮 So fully agree, it should at least be tested as a mainstream tool especially as it is so popular at the moment culturally.

Edited July 7, 2019 by DanielJUK

[katrinka]

On 7/6/2019 at 8:29 AM, Nordica De Spell said:

(The nursing home staff will keep on pestering me about flooded toilets, where the called-in plumber has accused all of the Death cards there as being the reason. Hey, at least it’s not tampons, dude.)

🤣

On 7/6/2019 at 8:29 AM, Nordica De Spell said:

Globally, I’d like to see a site that lists all new (and coming) launches in real time. Imagine not having to go through Kickstarter, Indiegogo, Blogs, Independent Publishers, established publishers webpages, etc. 

 

Just one site, and if possible, with campaign dates and/or print run number, and price.

That would be ideal. One stop.
As it is, we're relying on email alerts, forums, facebook groups and just randomly seeing something we like.
And I still manage to miss stuff. It's not that I need to have everything - I pass most of them up. But the best things are often off the beaten path!

 

On 7/6/2019 at 8:29 AM, Nordica De Spell said:

And, for the love of... realize that yes you can list The Greenwood at a 1000 dollars, but it won’t get sold, it will just sit there on ebay unsold for years. Meanwhile, real Greenwood auctions typically lands at around 250-300 dollars, JUST LIKE IT DID SOME YEARS AGO. Not sure what’s going on with all this ebay pricing lately, or with publishers aiming for OOP on purpose. 

This gets pretty complex.

People do pre-orders to assess the demand. That way they don't end up with a warehouse full of unsold ones. Baba, for instance, will do preorders, the deck will be available for awhile afterwards, then it will go OOP. The ebay prices will go sky high, but it's not Karen and Alex getting that money, it's the ebay deck flippers. In time, Baba usually does a second, sometimes a third edition.

The public can be fickle. There are cases of people backing a Kickstarter, but then backing out at the last minute. It happened with the Vamp. It ended up not making the KS goal. Luckily, they made a print run of 200 anyway and sold them on etsy.

And once the deck goes OOP, it's not the creators who rake in the money, it's the deck flippers on ebay. It would be a big fight to attempt to change that, since it would open up the whole capitalism/regulation/free market can of worms.

The Greenwood stayed OOP because Chesca Potter didn't give permission to reprint it. She still hasn't. https://www.facebook.com/Chesca-Potter-Art-Fan-Club-997732667081594/

I wouldn't knowingly purchase a deck that was printed against the artist's wishes. I feel a little funny about the Albano sometimes, even though Frankie Albano didn't really "create" it. He just colored the RWS Majors according to Paul Foster Case/BOTA, and followed a similar logic for the Minors. But, like Chesca, we don't know what happened to Frankie.

But you can download a PDF of the Greenwood images here, with Chesca's blessings, and have them printed up at makeplayingcards.com or similar https://voicewithinthecards.wordpress.com/tag/greenwood-tarot-pdf/

 

[katrinka]

4 hours ago, DanielJUK said:

I agree with Mary Greer about tarot used as psychology therapies. In the UK and probably in other countries, you cannot be a registered counsellor or therapist with licensing and certification and use tarot in your work, the counselling licensing organisation here does not allow people to practice "unproven techniques" in their standards but I think it's not really been given an attempt to be proven.

It can't be used in a certified counselor's practice here, either. We have a lot of readers who bill themselves as Tarot counselors. But, as Katerina Wynne said, "A tarot counselor is not meant to replace a counselor, but to treat each and every reading with a respect of the complexity of life's problems, and empathy." 

 

Literally anyone can hang out a shingle and call themselves a "counselor" or "therapist". When people get court ordered to counseling, their probation or parole officer will often refer them to an unlicensed "Christian Counselor" because that's the only one available. It's pointless, but it does fulfill the requirements of the court. There are "Drug Counselors" who went through rehab and were unable to secure gainful employment, so the rehabs retain them as counselors so as not to look useless. People get court ordered to those, too.

And then you have Doreen Virtue style "Angel Therapy". *groan*

If anyone would like to study the effectiveness of various unlicensed practices, we have legions of them.

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Using it for therapy (non predictive) is a very different way of using it. I think the therapeutic use of it should at least be experimented with.  The UK org only in recent years forbid conversion therapy and therapists who had their certification, they cannot argue that is a proven therapy by any stretch, it only got changed as a policy because a journalist did a hidden investigation of all the conversion therapy therapists using it with their official certification 😮 So fully agree, it should at least be tested as a mainstream tool especially as it is so popular at the moment culturally.

Conversion therapy is ****ing horrible, but it is not representative of the views of the majority of licensed counselors and therapists. Or any thinking person. Ugh!!

Edited July 7, 2019 by katrinka

[ilweran]

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There are "Drug Counselors" who went through rehab and were unable to secure gainful employment, so the rehabs retain them as counselors so as not to look useless.

I would hope that in many cases they are there as peer support workers, which is a good thing. That's how things are done where I am anyway!

 

On the topic of using tarot in counselling, wouldn't a study on it be fanstastic? I would love to see that happen.

[HeavenlyWren]

On 7/1/2019 at 6:33 AM, Little Fang said:

If You Were Able To Dream Big, On a Personal or Global Level, What Would You Really Like To See Happen In Relation To Tarot?

Globally my dream is to see people talking about tarot as if they're asking someone what sort of drink or what tea do they want. 

 

I wouldn't want people to feel ashamed about using tarot, I'd love for people to be able to go in coffee shops, cafes and just whack out a deck, or even in a park. 

 

I'd love for it to be come more open and free, I'd love to be able to speak to everyone about it as passionately as my close friends with out them thinking I've lost it. I'd like to take the stigma away that it's bad and God knows what else's people believe in, and as someone else said show people it can be a powerful tool. 

 

It doesn't have to be used for predictions, I have autism and some times I just use it to validate what I already know but won't accept, even use it to heal. 

 

I'd love to go in to a local grocery and just see a tarot deck sitting as naturally on the shelf as let's say a banana or diapers etc.  I'd love for it to have its own section as well. 

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, ilweran said:

I would hope that in many cases they are there as peer support workers, which is a good thing. That's how things are done where I am anyway!

 

On the topic of using tarot in counselling, wouldn't a study on it be fanstastic? I would love to see that happen.

Generally, the people who counsel at such places are well versed in 12 Step philosophy, and not much else. (You have to remember that a lot of them couldn't qualify for jobs other than things like cashiering and waiting tables. I'm not saying they necessarily lack intelligence, but that they're untrained.) And the 12 Step model itself has a lot of issues. This link refers to AA, but NA uses the same 12 Steps. Being versed in the 12 Steps does not make for an effective counselor: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/aa-is-faith-based-not-evidence-based/#more-490

If you know anyone who is seeking (or being coerced into) such services, I'd advise passing this checklist on to them: https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/warning-signs-of-bad-therapy/

Studies are badly needed on a LOT of things.

Edited July 7, 2019 by katrinka

[katrinka]

52 minutes ago, HeavenlyWren said:

I'd love to go in to a local grocery and just see a tarot deck sitting as naturally on the shelf as let's say a banana or diapers etc.  I'd love for it to have its own section as well. 

I'm told that in Italy, they have Sibilla decks at the grocery checkouts, the way we have magazines and breath mints. 🙂

[HeavenlyWren]

2 minutes ago, katrinka said:

I'm told that in Italy, they have Sibilla decks at the grocery checkouts, the way we have magazines and breath mints. 🙂

That's awesome @katrinka that's another place to put on my bucket list. 🙂

Edited July 7, 2019 by HeavenlyWren

[katrinka]

I hope you make it there someday! I hear it's beautiful.

[LunaMarie]

On 7/2/2019 at 2:05 AM, stephanelli said:

Globally, I want to see people accept that tarot isn't evil or bad and is just another tool to help us tap into our own energies and those of people around us.  I would love to see tarot reading be a normal thing and helps people learn about themselves.

That would be great. I think that tarot is a really useful and helpful. It gives us the insight to be able to reflect on ourselves and think deeply about a lot of things. Though, my family believes that tarot is evil, so I've had to hide my deck and interest in tarot for the past year. I always feel like I have to be careful with who I tell about my interest in tarot to. Luckily, I have found two friends who share my same interests and also felt like they had to hide their interest in tarot. I wish that tarot wasn't seen as so taboo in society. Maybe things will change over time- I think that they sort of have in recent years due to online communities such as this forum/site. 

[gregory]

Um - I didn't think this was a chat thread; I thought it was for our big dreams, and not for discussing them and then going to store checkouts... Just wondering - I keep coming to see new big thoughts and nada.