Bonestone and Earthflesh Tarot

[geoxena]

I've been checking out this train wreck from time to time (just reading this thread) and I gotta say, seriously, is any deck worth this much angst and drama?  I think not.  If I had pre-ordered one and been following these ups and downs and ridiculous messages, once I got the deck, using it would be tainted by the very bad taste in my mouth.  I would be remembering all this BS every time I took out the deck.  Bah!

[gregory]

Bur the rather lovely artwork isn't hers and none of this is Ana Tourian's fault. I did email Ana who is not terribly happy but was restrained in her comments.

[Raggydoll]

14 minutes ago, gregory said:

Bur the rather lovely artwork isn't hers and none of this is Ana Tourian's fault. I did email Ana who is not terribly happy but was restrained in her comments.

This is how I feel too. 

[geoxena]

3 hours ago, gregory said:

Bur the rather lovely artwork isn't hers and none of this is Ana Tourian's fault. I did email Ana who is not terribly happy but was restrained in her comments.

Yeah, I know that, but will you be able to completely forget all this BS whenever you use it?  I mean, sometimes things serve as triggers for crappy feelings and, even though it's momentary and one gets past it, there's a residual energy from the whole ordeal. 

 

One example from my life is a set of lovely dishes that was bought for me by someone who had caused me great pain emotionally, in the past.  Every time I used one of those dishes, I thought of him.  I didn't want to think of him because the memory of all the drama and hurt was attached to any image of him in mind.  Sure, it was fleeting - pull the dish out of the cupboard, a flash of him and feelings of sadness and hurt and disappointment, then pour my cereal and get on with it.  But eventually I realized I just didn't want those icky reminders every time I saw those dishes, so I gave them away. 

 

Plenty of times, things I owned triggered memories of people, places, things.  If the memories are pleasant, great.  But when the memories are shitty, owning that thing eventually wears on me like a burden.  And that's the sort of thing professional organizers ask clients about when someone isn't sure about keeping a certain possession or not. 

 

So, for me, I know that, if I'd prepaid for this deck and waited over two years for it with the kinds of leg-pulling and dissing that this Avalon person has done, after it finally arrived, I'd have a flash of the whole drama every time I saw this deck on the shelf (or wherever).  There would always that moment of thinking, "what a pain in the ass it was to get this deck," and eventually I wouldn't want to even look at it.  So yeah, pretty deck but a reminder of having been dealt with in a crappy way.  To me, no matter how lovely the artwork, not worth all this sturm und drang. 

 

Maybe you collectors actually like struggling to own a deck because you feel victorious or something, but I'd be washing my hands of the whole thing at this point and walking away.  Maybe if I really really wanted one, I'd wait 'til after it was published and see if I could buy it off of someone selling it on their own, so there wouldn't be as much of Avalon's antics attached to it.  But to me, no deck is worth all this crap you guys are putting up with! 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by geoxena

[gregory]

I don't want to feel victorious. But the art work is SO good -and NOT Avalon's; if it were I might feel differently -  that I am not walking. I can't see anyone selling it on any time soon - and if they did the price would probably rocket.

 

Ana's work deserves to grace my table. I don't know Avalon in person, so once I have it, I can easily forget HER. It would be different, again, if this was someone I had met and interacted with personally - I can see the memory triggering thing then. But I'm not hurt, just royally pissed off at the moment. Hurt would also be different.

[Raggydoll]

11 minutes ago, geoxena said:

Yeah, I know that, but will you be able to completely forget all this BS whenever you use it?  I mean, sometimes things serve as triggers for crappy feelings and, even though it's momentary and one gets past it, there's a residual energy from the whole ordeal. 

 

One example from my life is a set of lovely dishes that was bought for me by someone who had caused me great pain emotionally, in the past.  Every time I used one of those dishes, I thought of him.  I didn't want to think of him because the memory of all the drama and hurt was attached to any image of him in mind.  Sure, it was fleeting - pull the dish out of the cupboard, a flash of him and feelings of sadness and hurt and disappointment, then pour my cereal and get on with it.  But eventually I realized I just didn't want those icky reminders every time I saw those dishes, so I gave them away. 

 

Plenty of times, things I owned triggered memories of people, places, things.  If the memories are pleasant, great.  But when the memories are shitty, owning that thing eventually wears on me like a burden.  And that's the sort of thing professional organizers ask clients about when someone isn't sure about keeping a certain possession or not. 

 

So, for me, I know that, if I'd prepaid for this deck and waited over two years for it with the kinds of leg-pulling and dissing that this Avalon person has done, after it finally arrived, I'd have a flash of the whole drama every time I saw this deck on the shelf (or wherever).  There would always that moment of thinking, "what a pain in the ass it was to get this deck," and eventually I wouldn't want to even look at it.  So yeah, pretty deck but a reminder of having been dealt with in a crappy way.  To me, no matter how lovely the artwork, not worth all this sturm und drang. 

 

Maybe you collectors actually like struggling to own a deck because you feel victorious or something, but I'd be washing my hands of the whole thing at this point and walking away.  Maybe if I really really wanted one, I'd wait 'til after it was published and see if I could buy it off of someone selling it on their own, so there wouldn't be as much of Avalon's antics attached to it.  But to me, no deck is worth all this crap you guys are putting up with! 

 

 

To me, all things have energy. So one could of course think that a situation like this would be an issue. But I have found it very rarely is. The energy I read (‘read’ as in psychometry) is not the baggage of my mind but what’s actually there. And this deck won’t even have been in her hands. Also, even though I have my opinions about how this has been handled, I’m fairly neutral about it. It doesn’t truly get to me, I have so many other and more important stuff on my mind. So no, I don’t think there will be an issue because of that. I might not like it, for other reasons. In that case I’ll sell it. I’m not one to cling to stuff I don’t like or don’t want to use. 

[gregory]

ALSO - I'm DAMNED if she will get away with not sending me my deck.  

[geoxena]

Ok, then rock on, you guys.  I would've lost interest and walked away by now, even knowing that it's not the artist's fault. I always take issue when someone has my money and doesn't come through - they don't get to play with my money if I don't get what I paid for, and I wouldn't like the exchange to languish in limbo for ages.  And I wasn't saying this situation would trigger hurt.  It could be anger, disappointment, frustration, just remembering what a pain in the ass it was to finally get the deck, or whatever, but any kind of flash of negativity, and I wouldn't want it.

 

But I  hope things get resolved and everyone gets their decks as soon as possible.

 

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by geoxena

[Raggydoll]

15 minutes ago, gregory said:

ALSO - I'm DAMNED if she will get away with not sending me my deck.  

Right on! 😁 But seriously, when I look at the art I am reminded of the lovely and optimistic atmosphere that surrounded this project in the beginning. They both wanted to create something very special and I think they succeeded. I look forward to studying the art up close and reading the guide book. I imagine that this deck will be a good reader. 

[Isabel]

Hello Everyone,

Just adding my 2 cents, I'm not sure if you are aware, but one of the cards in the deck has Avalon's image on it, it is called Bruxa as I remember and it is an addidtional card as far as I know. It was not a problem to me before, but know it may be a reminder of all the drama. Of course I could chuck it out but then I would have a sense of the deck being incomplete in some way or when considering resaling.  But having this little Avalon's image somewhere in the drawer may be bothering. Oh well.

[Raggydoll]

18 minutes ago, Isobel said:

Hello Everyone,

Just adding my 2 cents, I'm not sure if you are aware, but one of the cards in the deck has Avalon's image on it, it is called Bruxa as I remember and it is an addidtional card as far as I know. It was not a problem to me before, but know it may be a reminder of all the drama. Of course I could chuck it out but then I would have a sense of the deck being incomplete in some way or when considering resaling.  But having this little Avalon's image somewhere in the drawer may be bothering. Oh well.

I’m aware of it and likely won’t add it to the deck in readings. Not because of the drama but because I am not keen on cards that have the creator on them (ancestral path tarot - I am looking at you!). 

[gregory]

I didn't know that; it might not bother me - but I don't have to use it !

[Raggydoll]

40 minutes ago, gregory said:

I didn't know that; it might not bother me - but I don't have to use it !

It was planned by her best friend as a surprise for Avalon. So it wasn’t Avalon’s own idea. I don’t think the likeness on the portrait is that high, to be honest. So that makes it even more neural for me.  

[FindYourSovereignty]

4 hours ago, geoxena said:

Yeah, I know that, but will you be able to completely forget all this BS whenever you use it?  I mean, sometimes things serve as triggers for crappy feelings and, even though it's momentary and one gets past it, there's a residual energy from the whole ordeal. 

 

Maybe if I really really wanted one, I'd wait 'til after it was published and see if I could buy it off of someone selling it on their own, so there wouldn't be as much of Avalon's antics attached to it.  But to me, no deck is worth all this crap you guys are putting up with! 

 

 

 

Yes, this is where I am coming from for myself personally. I do not open doors for undesirable triggers and, although I completely see why those that have waited for the deck do still want to receive it, I would have to buy it used at this point where the energy surrounding the delivery of the deck wasn't attached. I support a lot of Kickstarter campaigns and understand delays and sometimes the waiting is fun - lots of excitement and anticipation for the final product to arrive, but there are too many unreasonable, broken promises along with not-so-kind communication. 

 

Cheering everyone on though that is sticking with it. 

[Raggydoll]

New update:

 

 

May Update

Hello beautiful Bonestone Tribe, We are in May now and I have received an unprecedented number of emails regarding the Bonestone. There were lots of well-wishes and for that I thank you. There was also a lot of questions. As such, I decided to address these questions in today's newsletter as I am unable to answer all of your questions individually.  The Dispatch Situation First of all, I am waiting for the dispatch to be sorted out. I have heard back from the original dispatch centre in China and I'm really annoyed with the time it takes them to get back to me. So I have officially lost faith with that company.  My Contact at the Printer is sending through some contact in both China and the US. I am waiting for her recommendations.  What if the Deck arrives damaged If your deck arrives with a printer fault, then I will replace your deck. If your deck arrives damaged from the mail, then there is very little I can do as I am personally not in control of the shipping process. I am partially in control of the packaging process and I will pay for the packages to be well wrapped. And I will pray they arrive safely.  That said, what happens in transit is completely out of my hands. And I can not cover the cost of a packaged damaged in transit. The shipping company will be responsible for such damage.  I have a set number of decks to place to one side in case of printer faults.  I will be looking into insurance once I find a new dispatch centre. But right now, I can not speak on insured packages.  Waiting List I recognise that there are many waiting to purchase a copy of the Bonestone. I will be listing any spare deck on Etsy. Decks will not be sold outside of Etsy.  It will be a first in first serve scenario. I will be making it known to you all the time and day that I will be listing decks.  The notification of decks up for sale will only take place through this newsletter.  I want to thank you all for your patience and understanding. The response that I have received from the Bonestone has been so wonderful and I have my fingers and toes crossed for a positive outcome to this project.  Before I Finish up with this newsletter, I want to wish you all a safe time. I hope you and your loved ones are safe and well cared for.  Much love and many blessings.

[Rori]

Wait, am I understanding this correctly? She's looking for a completely new dispatch center? As in, she's doing what most creators do during the kickstarter campaign, now, years later?

[gregory]

I may copy the email to etsy....

[ilweran]

At one point I wanted this deck and was waiting for some to be made available in the hope I could jump in quickly enough to get one, now I just roll my eyes at every new delay and go and look at pictures of the Abyss Tarot.

 

 

[ilweran]

It's a beautiful deck so it's a shame, but there you go.

[Nanook]

On 4/25/2020 at 5:50 AM, gregory said:

ALSO - I'm DAMNED if she will get away with not sending me my deck.  

^this^

And for those wondering why we would still want the deck after the excuses and incompetence - she’s not giving refunds any more.  Her attitude is disrespectful and shameful. I paid a lot and have nothing and have little hope I will ever get this beautiful deck. I don’t normally make a point of cleansing decks but if this was one ever shows up, I will be cleansing the bad vibes out of it like crazy!

[gregory]

The no refund thing is part of the reason I am considering copying the last couple of emails to etsy.

[gregory]

I have etsy customer service on line now. They are NOT happy.... I hope I don't accidentally end up with a refund...

[gregory]

OOOH they are going to have a manager get in touch... I shall point them to this thread.

And can anyone show me where to see it all on facebook ?

Edited May 3, 2020 by gregory

[Raggydoll]

37 minutes ago, gregory said:

OOOH they are going to have a manager get in touch... I shall point them to this thread.

And can anyone show me where to see it all on facebook ?

You have to join her Facebook group. It’s not an open group. It’s titled after the deck so it’s easy to

find. 

[gregory]

OK - I will just tell them it exists.

Edited May 3, 2020 by gregory