praisethesun Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 I really like the Thoth system and decks but I was looking for some deck that didn't have any nudity, are there any? I hope you can help me out! :)
Wolf Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 I *think* the Rosetta Tarot has the least amount of nudity/is the most artistically censored? But it's not completely free of it. Not really a ton of options out there. Liber-T is more stylized over all but there's still one or two cards that are provocative. The style just cuts down on how obvious it is.(One specific card not withstanding) The Thoth itself is probably the most politely censored version considering the time period. (Hope you don't go hollow looking for a good deck, Love your name)
EmpyreanKnight Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 The only Thoth-inspired deck I know that does not have full nudity is the Vision Quest Tarot. Having a Native American theme, it does have some shirtless men in it but I think that's par for the course - there's nothing prurient about it. There are definitely no cards that show or suggest the nether regions - everyone wears some sort of garment below. No female mammaries either. Take note that it's a Thoth-inspired deck tho, meaning that while it does take cues from the system, its art is really quite different from Thoth images. Perhaps others know of some Thoth clones that do not have any nudity.
EmpyreanKnight Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Also, welcome to the forums, praisethesun. We're glad to have you here. :)
praisethesun Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 Thank you for the answers so far, and thanks for the warming welcome! ^-^ more suggestions are welcome!
Wolf Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 If you do pick up the Vision Quest just bear in mind you'll be loosing a good percentage of what makes the Thoth "Thothy". The system built up around the Thoth is based on a wealth of knowledge that's unique to itself, and that isn't represented in Vision Quest. You'll be missing out on the ques you would normally get. That and the Vision Quest has it's own mission statement and way of doing things.
EmpyreanKnight Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Tbh I think that the best way to truly delve into the Thoth system is by studying the deck itself. Thoth clones and Thoth-based decks might offer a fresh perspective on the cards, but things do get lost in the translation. The details of each card in the Thoth symbolize something, and omitting them or replacing them would alter the meanings that the very card holds. Even the color palettes used were carefully chosen by Harris. There are some truly brilliant esoteric decks that follow the Thoth system and I won't hesitate to learn them if I find them interesting, but they're still variations and interpretations of the Thoth. I personally feel that, in a manner of speaking, to taste how truly sweet the water is, one should drink from the very source itself. Later tho, when one explores other flavors, one might actually prefer another variant, and if it truly, fully speaks to them, there's definitely nothing wrong with that. That said, people do have certain limitations in the decks that they would feel comfortable to work with, and I respect that. Regarding praisethesun's search for a Thoth-based deck that does not have any nudity - should I choose to very strictly follow this criterion, the only deck I know of that would be a match is the Vision Quest. However, it is its very own system, and the trade off for choosing it is that while it does take cues from the Thoth, it does deviate from it too. It's good that Wolf pointed this out.
praisethesun Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 Wolf, I won't be picking up the Vision Quest because I think deviates too much from what I want. Maybe I'll gift it one day to my dad, he really enjoys that culture! :)
Saturn Celeste Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 I really like the Thoth system and decks but I was looking for some deck that didn't have any nudity, are there any? I hope you can help me out! :) Hi praisethesun. The Zillich Tarot is a Thoth based tarot that does not have any nudity. The deck does have an error where The Universe is numbered XIX, the same as The Sun card. It should be numbered XXI. I own the deck and the incorrect number does not bother me but I can see how it would bother people. Here's the thread where it's discussed. There are also some images. https://www.thetarotforum.com/tarot-decks/zillich-tarot-in-a-tin/
EmpyreanKnight Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 In the Zillich, some of the cards particularly in the majors show female breasts, tho AFAIK no nether regions were shown. You may want to take a look at some unboxing or flip-through videos in YouTube to see if they are acceptable to you. One thing that I do take exception to is the fact that The Emperor remained as Heh while The Star was still Tzaddi. As Crowley pointed out - "Tzaddi is not The Star". I feel like this is an important departure from the Thoth system, so do be warned. Also, the Zillich swapped the position of Lust and Adjustment to VIII and XI, respectively, which runs counter to Crowley's intended sequence. Both cards did maintain the Thoth Hebrew letter correspondences, so there's that. Lastly, the images and color palette differ significantly from the Thoth. Personally tho, I find the aesthetics of the deck quite breathtaking. Ymmv
Saturn Celeste Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 In the Zillich, some of the cards particularly in the majors show female breasts, tho AFAIK no nether regions were shown. You may want to take a look at some unboxing or flip-through videos in YouTube to see if they are acceptable to you. One thing that I do take exception to is the fact that The Emperor remained as Heh while The Star was still Tzaddi. As Crowley pointed out - "Tzaddi is not The Star". I feel like this is an important departure from the Thoth system, so do be warned. Also, the Zillich swapped the position of Lust and Adjustment to VIII and XI, respectively, which runs counter to Crowley's intended sequence. Both cards did maintain the Thoth Hebrew letter correspondences, so there's that. Lastly, the images and color palette differ significantly from the Thoth. Personally tho, I find the aesthetics of the deck quite breathtaking. Ymmv Oh crap, I missed Justice! OK, forget that deck! :-[ Good catch Empyrean!
reall Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 maybe liminal Tarot; http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/liminal-tarot/ or you can check here; http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/cards/thoth-inspired.shtml imo Thoth tarot nudity not that bad/more artzy compared with rws & other decks?XD ;)
praisethesun Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 Reall, the Liminal looks good, although it deviates a bit from the Thoth system :) thank you for the suggestion as well
gregory Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Sun and Moon ? (Also known as the Tarot of the Potato People...) Awakening Aeon But really - Thoth with no nudity misses a lot of the point.
reall Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 Reall, the Liminal looks good, although it deviates a bit from the Thoth system :) thank you for the suggestion as well np!I just remembered this one in progress; it should be published by LS 2019/20?:D imo it'll bringa spot to Thoth so hopefully we'll get more for everyone taste!:D & i'm 90% sure I've seen some cartony japanese deck that may be *nudity fre? will post if i remember,,,
reall Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 Sun and Moon ? (Also known as the Tarot of the Potato People...) Awakening Aeon But really - Thoth with no nudity misses a lot of the point. agree!:) imo Thoth nudity is mostly symbolic/artistic unlike some Italian decks I know,,,!x,x facepalm :)
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