Lenormand shopping spree

[katrinka]

Yes, I had a French Cartomancy that I used constantly before Game of Hope came along and started printing Dondorfs. It was slightly larger than a standard Lenormand, but still usable. 
I don't know the dimensions of the current edition. It might be one of those that requires people to move the furniture and lay a Grand Tableau on the floor, lol. 
Piatnik is very nice in spite of the wonky Key - good stock, standard Lenormand size. 
There are older editions of the Piatnik that are overdue for a reprint. It's rare to even find the images online, but they're very nice:

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, katrinka said:

Piatnik is very nice in spite of the wonky Key - good stock, standard Lenormand size. 
There are older editions of the Piatnik that are overdue for a reprint. It's rare to even find the images online, but they're very nice:

 

Yes. You can seldom go wrong with Piatnik. Their card stock is superb. 
 

I’ve long been coveting that PL. If it ever turns up I would definitely release facsimiles.

 

21 minutes ago, katrinka said:

I don't know the dimensions of the current edition. It might be one of those that requires people to move the furniture and lay a Grand Tableau on the floor, lol. 

I think that they do standard and manhole size along with glitter editions... 

[Guest]

Since the Wanderwust arrived it has seldom been out of one’s hands.
 

Jorge let me order a couple of minis (one for gift). If someone is looking for a traditional but also contemporary-looking deck, the Wanderwust is recommended. 

The new Brepols is also much enjoyed. Ordinarily, Carta Mundi card stock is hard to beat but this independent edition is silky smooth. It is strange not seeing the verses — I notice their absence more than their presence. 

[katrinka]

16 minutes ago, timtoldrum said:

Jorge let me order a couple of minis (one for gift). If someone is looking for a traditional but also contemporary-looking deck, the Wanderwust is recommended. 

 

That one pops nicely. I imagine it makes a superb mini.
 

16 minutes ago, timtoldrum said:

The new Brepols is also much enjoyed. Ordinarily, Carta Mundi card stock is hard to beat but this independent edition is silky smooth. It is strange not seeing the verses — I notice their absence more than their presence. 

Is it this one, or another?
http://gameofhopelenormand.bigcartel.com/product/vincent-s-brepols-lenormand
 

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, katrinka said:

That one pops nicely. I imagine it makes a superb mini.

Yes. The standard one (bridge) is great. But I wanted a deck for a gifting and she prefers minis.

 

When they come I’ll post. I’ve been converted to minis since the flare-up I had last year. I still find shuffling the Ancien difficult at times, especially in the mornings.  So I’ve been using a mini Marseille or the Tarot Fortune Cards.
 

24 minutes ago, katrinka said:

Is it this one, or another?
http://gameofhopelenormand.bigcartel.com/product/vincent-s-brepols-lenormand

Yes. That’s it. It came with an extra Gentleman and Lady cards, though. I wasn’t expecting that. 
 

The same printer as the Wanderwust is used. The cardstock is like silk and the colours reproduction is beautiful. 

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[katrinka]

2 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

When they come I’ll post. I’ve been converted to minis since the flare-up I had last year. I still find shuffling the Ancien difficult at times, especially in the mornings.  So I’ve been using a mini Marseille or the Tarot Fortune Cards.

 

Tarot decks are essentially bricks. 
I'd like to see a lot more smaller editions. 
 

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Yes. That’s it. It came with an extra Gentleman and Lady cards, though. I wasn’t expecting that. 

 

Lauren does that. I can't talk her out of it, I suppose it sells.
I have extras marking books, stashed away who knows where, decorating the refrigerator with magnets...
 

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The same printer as the Wanderwust is used. The cardstock is like silk and the colours reproduction is beautiful. 

 

Did you get the linen? The linen is lovely, I always request it.

My current go-to is the Geûens-Willaert. I resisted it for literally years - she calls it Bjorn's, but AFAIK all he did was provide the scans. I can see calling the Tacheles Malkiel's - he published it at one time - but emailing scans doesn't confer ownership AFAIC. Just yet more self-aggrandizement.

But it's a stunning deck. Primitive art, lovely green shades rarely seen in Lenormand - it's the Daveluy, but better.

 

Edited April 29, 2021 by katrinka

[Guest]

15 hours ago, katrinka said:

Tarot decks are essentially bricks. 
I'd like to see a lot more smaller editions. 

The old Grimauds are bricks. But even the newer ones can be challenging. So I am using the mini.

 

15 hours ago, katrinka said:

Lauren does that. I can't talk her out of it, I suppose it sells.
I have extras marking books, stashed away who knows where, decorating the refrigerator with magnets...

It surprised me as it said that it did not contain the extra cards. The extra Gentleman has a brown suit which is nicer than some originals where it looks pink. 
 

15 hours ago, katrinka said:

Did you get the linen? The linen is lovely, I always request it.

My current go-to is the Geûens-Willaert. I resisted it for literally years - she calls it Bjorn's, but AFAIK all he did was provide the scans. I can see calling the Tacheles Malkiel's - he published it at one time - but emailing scans doesn't confer ownership AFAIC. Just yet more self-aggrandizement.

But it's a stunning deck. Primitive art, lovely green shades rarely seen in Lenormand - it's the Daveluy, but better.

It came linen. I would have asked for it if I’d known. It’s lovely, and feels durable. I like buying independent, too. 

 

Traditionally, the Carta Mundi had slight differences in art depending on the language. I preferred the softer Belgian/French version.  But now it’s the harsher German colours on all.  So, I thought I’d try Vincent’s and I do like it.  But it is strange having no lyrics. It’s a shame that it doesn’t come mini. 

 

I have an original Daveluy, which is nice.  There were colour differences between mine and Caitlín’s — I also have the original box (much worse for wear).  But I do think the Geûens-Willaert is nicer.  But I prefer the Square carreas — so I might be mad. 

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[Albadawn]

I ended up deciding on the Green Glyphs to work with alongside the Piatnik. Now that I can see the Albatross card up close I realise it’s a bird that’s been shot, not a skull in the desert! I didn’t know what an albatross actually was so I went and looked up some of the folklore and stories about it. I think I can work with it to stand for religion because I tend towards pantheist/animist beliefs, so if I consider the spirit of the bird (and the belief in that spirit), that should lead me in the right direction should religion ever be pertinent to a reading. 
 

As for the extra Lady, Gentleman and Person cards, I love this. One of my siblings is non-binary and I hated asking them to pick between the Lady and Gentleman when I read for them in the past. The extra Lady and Gentlemen have opposite suits, so reading for a same-sex couple wouldn’t mess up the balance of that if I was considering the playing card inserts as part of the reading. And each of the Person cards has opposite suits too. It seems well thought out and not just extra cards “thrown in”. I’m looking forward to being able to swap the people around based on who I’m reading for!

[Guest]

That is great news, @Albadawn. I look forward to seeing more of your exploration.

[katrinka]

On 5/1/2021 at 2:12 AM, Albadawn said:

I ended up deciding on the Green Glyphs to work with alongside the Piatnik. Now that I can see the Albatross card up close I realise it’s a bird that’s been shot, not a skull in the desert! I didn’t know what an albatross actually was so I went and looked up some of the folklore and stories about it.

 

If you're going to go with that one, you'll do well to study Coloridge's The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, as the card was obviously inspired by that. I'm sure the artist was going for the Cross as burdens with that one:
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/albatross+around+neck#:~:text=albatross around one's neck%2C an,bird hung around his neck.
And there is a religious angle as well:
https://blogs.baruch.cuny.edu/fall2016/?p=123#:~:text=One example of religious symbolism,was sent to help mariners.
 

In general, it seems better thought-out than most images that are substituted for the card emblems. It still refers to Jesus, though. Like Tarot, Lenormand came out of a Christian culture. But also like Tarot, it just uses that to communicate ideas, it doesn't push Christianity on us.

The Albatross is not a card I would use, since the Cross is a nasty card, so we're not supposed to venerate it or feel any kind of religious impulse when we look at it. So a change isn't really needed. The Cross is about burdens and suffering and ordeals. When it's about religion, it tends to describe a person, gathering, or building as religious. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by katrinka

[Albadawn]

2 hours ago, katrinka said:

 

If you're going to go with that one, you'll do well to study Coloridge's The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, as the card was obviously inspired by that. I'm sure the artist was going for the Cross as burdens with that one:
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/albatross+around+neck#:~:text=albatross around one's neck%2C an,bird hung around his neck.
And there is a religious angle as well:
https://blogs.baruch.cuny.edu/fall2016/?p=123#:~:text=One example of religious symbolism,was sent to help mariners.
 

In general, it seems better thought-out than most images that are substituted for the card emblems. It still refers to Jesus, though. Like Tarot, Lenormand came out of a Christian culture. But also like Tarot, it just uses that to communicate ideas, it doesn't push Christianity on us.

The Albatross is not a card I would use, since the Cross is a nasty card, so we're not supposed to venerate it or feel any kind of religious impulse when we look at it. So a change isn't really needed. The Cross is about burdens and suffering and ordeals. When it's about religion, it tends to describe a person, gathering, or building as religious. 

Thank you so much for sharing these resources with me! I’m bookmarking them for further study. I do wish I didn’t have quite such a strong reaction to highly Christian imagery - it has tripped me up with my tarot studies in the past as well. It is just so distracting when my own baggage starts clouding what the cards actually mean. I am working on it since it’s impossible to avoid both in tarot, Lenormand and the world at large. I really appreciate your kindness in helping me find resources I can make good use of in the meantime. 🥰

[katrinka]

10 hours ago, Albadawn said:

Thank you so much for sharing these resources with me! I’m bookmarking them for further study. I do wish I didn’t have quite such a strong reaction to highly Christian imagery - it has tripped me up with my tarot studies in the past as well. It is just so distracting when my own baggage starts clouding what the cards actually mean. I am working on it since it’s impossible to avoid both in tarot, Lenormand and the world at large. I really appreciate your kindness in helping me find resources I can make good use of in the meantime. 🥰

You're welcome!
I think a lot of us have baggage like that, and for good reason. I've found it helpful to think of some of the old-style Christians who did things like visit prisons or help kids without making their religion an issue. People who actually walk the walk aren't the problem - it's the ones who try to use it to club the rest of us into submission. And those people are all talk. 😉

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LS  are releasing a new facsimile:

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Grand-Tableau-Lenormand-Marie/dp/0738769614/ref=sr_1_25?crid=18AGEVTZ9G7JN&dchild=1&keywords=grand+tableau+lenormand&qid=1620055990&sprefix=Grand+tableau+%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-25

 

 

I do not need a new deck but I do love this old pattern. If it like the anima antique line I will buy.
 

But with Lo Scarabeo things can go wrong — glitter, manhole size cards. 

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, timtoldrum said:

I do not need a new deck but I do love this old pattern. If it like the anima antique line I will buy.
 

But with Lo Scarabeo things can go wrong — glitter, manhole size cards. 

It's been redrawn - look at the Mountain! "Dondorf-inspired" might be a good description.
It doesn't look bad, but I'd have to see all the cards. 

[HOLMES]

What is that symbol in the right hand corner?

[katrinka]

The publisher's monogram. See the "LS"?
Dondorf used to put theirs there.

[HOLMES]

Thanks,i go make thread on it 

I did wonder what the symbol was

[katrinka]

2 hours ago, katrinka said:

It's been redrawn - look at the Mountain! "Dondorf-inspired" might be a good description.
It doesn't look bad, but I'd have to see all the cards. 

 

My bad, the shadows by the numbers and insets threw me off. I recognize it now - it's NOT a redrawn Dondorf. 😁

And it's 2"x 3". I'm preordering before LS decides to switch over to glitter and manhole covers! Thanks, Andy.

Edited May 3, 2021 by katrinka

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, HOLMES said:

Thanks,i go make thread on it 

I did wonder what the symbol was

 

I'm full of mistakes today. More caffeine...
It IS a publisher's mark, but it doesn't say LS.
It's FPS: Ferd Piatnik and Sons.
LS just reproduced it as is, lol.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/26317979060473068/
 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, katrinka said:

It's been redrawn - look at the Mountain! "Dondorf-inspired" might be a good description.
It doesn't look bad, but I'd have to see all the cards. 

They did that with the others, successfully and (sadly) otherwise. The Lenormand Oracle (Gina) was well done. But I can remember the original French Cartomancy (remember the Heart card?), and I’ve seen their Blue Owls.

 

I am hoping someone will do a review so we can see. 

[katrinka]

4 minutes ago, timtoldrum said:

(remember the Heart card?)

 

The "1" that everybody thought had great significance, that turned out to be a sticker they neglected to remove before printing. Yes, I remember that. 🤣

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, katrinka said:

 

The "1" that everybody thought had great significance, that turned out to be a sticker they neglected to remove before printing. Yes, I remember that. 🤣

Yep. Lol.

[Guest]

The Wanderwüst Minis came last week.  I ordered one for myself and one for a friend. They are beautiful and as @katrinkasaid do pop.  The card stock is great and they shuffle smoothly. They do not come with boxes, so I’m using a tin of German mints which I had in a draw. 

 

I find this size perfect for classic Lenormand draws such as the Wheel, Game of Destiny, and the astrological wheel. Now if only Cartamundi would issue a mini…

[Decan]

The Wüst Lenormand is my favorite, but this version, the Wanderwüst, looks great!

I like the black and white image with the colored central pattern that is that way highlighted; this is classic but also modern. And the backs of the cards are gorgeous.

And if the card stock is perfect, what to add?!

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, Decan said:

The Wüst Lenormand is my favorite, but this version, the Wanderwüst, looks great!

I like the black and white image with the colored central pattern that is that way highlighted; this is classic but also modern. And the backs of the cards are gorgeous.

And if the card stock is perfect, what to add?!

 

Hello Decan

 

I know, it is stunning.  The classic Wüst just pops with these changes.  It has become my number two and I think it is stunning.