Lenormand shopping spree

[Decan]

7 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

Sometimes the Mice — Ring can be an interloper. Something or someone who upsets the apple cart or status quo. Could your favourite deck have competition ?

Thanks for your take, actually it makes sense (often I don’t think enough about my cards and tend to start too quickly).

My favourite is the Wüst, but yes this one could be a serious competitor, I recognize it.

My commited relationship with the Wüst is endangered 😁

Edited July 4, 2021 by Decan

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, Decan said:

My commited relationship with the Wüst is endangered 😁

Throw a GT and see if you get the Ring on the left or the Lilies below. 🤣

[Decan]

19 minutes ago, katrinka said:

Throw a GT and see if you get the Ring on the left or the Lilies below.

A great idea Katrinka, a great idea! 😁

[Decan]

Regarding the booklet I appreciated to learn that even the size of this deck is the exact size ot this original old Piatnik. Though I was a bit surprised that the booklet in multi-languages hasn't a part in French or in German... for a Petit Lenormand I mean, but it's not a major issue.

 

The way (in short of course) to look at a GT seems to me a little weird while not for everything; for example they say that the cards on "the top row refers to spiritual aspects", hmm...

And for the meanings of the cards it's a little the same, a bit weird while not completely, depending on the card explained with about 4 keywords. But for the playing card insets there is a problem because the suit of Spades isn't the bad suit in Lenormand, so the Queen of Spades/the Bouquet (like the King of Spades) isn't the female rival or widow.

Well, a confusing booklet for someone who buys their first Lenormand with no background, or something to ignore (a little too bad of course).

Edited July 4, 2021 by Decan

[katrinka]

12 minutes ago, Decan said:

Though I was a bit surprised that the booklet in multi languages hasn't a part in French or in German... for a Petit Lenormand I mean, but it's not a major issue.

They probably realized that they can't fool the French and Germans with that silly booklet. LOL.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, katrinka said:

They probably realized that they can't fool the French and Germans with that silly booklet. LOL.

It might have ended up flying out of an apartment window in Germany…

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, timtoldrum said:

It might have ended up flying out of an apartment window in Germany…

 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It still might. He can read english.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

It might have ended up flying out of an apartment window in Germany…

2 hours ago, katrinka said:

It still might. He can read english.

 

Nah, it won't.

Germany is the land of selective waste disposal.

Into the paper bin it goes -

With dedication.

[JudyReadsCards]

5 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

It might have ended up flying out of an apartment window in Germany…

 

Did anyone download that video? 😉  I'd love to see it again. 🤣🤣🤣

[katrinka]

I did. But that was several laptops ago.
It's still on the hard drive. Wish I knew how to access it!

[JudyReadsCards]

3 minutes ago, katrinka said:

I did. But that was several laptops ago.
It's still on the hard drive. Wish I knew how to access it!

 

Hire someone to work it out and sell tickets to pay them. 😉

[katrinka]

I probably could. 🤣
Not sure he'd agree to that, though!

[Guest]

I see.

It was not about germans littering the floor but an actual reference to something funny - please share if possible (including agreement)!

[katrinka]

I got tired of waiting on amazon while the rest of the world has theirs already, so I found one on ebay.

First impressions:

The box is, oddly, linen. This got my hopes up that the cards would be, too, but alas - no such luck. And the box could have used those little half-moon cutouts on the sides to make it easier to open. It's a sturdy, attractive box, but I'll be finding a case for the cards.

The LWB is, as mentioned, terrible. Besides the issues noted earlier, in the instructions for the 9x4 it says "If it's difficult to spread out all the cards in an ordered fashion on a tablem  divinatory mat can be used." (Which I'm sure LS would be happy to sell to you.) If you don't have space for a GT, a mat won't help, obviously. It goes on to tell you to find the Man or Woman - OK - and also tells you to find the Key, which will be "the focus of the reading." (Uh...NO! I do look for the Key, since what comes after it is certain. But it's not "the focus.") There's more twaddle, like the top row being "spiritual aspects", but I stopped reading.

 The cards themselves are as described already, a few minor issues but nothing I can't work with. I like the colors and the linework, and a lot of the cards are Dondorf-like in addition to being an early Piatnik, so it's like the best of both worlds.  The stock is sturdy and a bit stiff. All in all, it's a good deck. 🙂

[gregory]

Lost plot - which deck is this, katrinka ? Grand Tableau ? I had no issues opening the box - pick it up by the lid - and that comes off, leaving the card part on the table.... I really like the cards.

[katrinka]

Yes, the Grand Tableau.
It opens easier now. The first time was right after I opened the mail. It's in the 90's outside, but probably 68-ish inside. The temperature change may have created a vacuum.

[katrinka]

I'm still getting a case for them. Maybe something in deep blue would look nice with the backs. I'll toss the LWB, but keep the box to store a less-used deck. It's a good sturdy box. I'm glad they're getting away from tuckboxes. And the cards have already softened up a bit, they're quite comfortable to riffle now. 🙂

 

Here is a photo, I threw a 3x3 and just let them talk. I won't break it down here since this isn't a reading area, but I do want to mention that the fence on the Park card may be useful - I started to read it as the Ways, which coincidentally is just below it. That fence tipped me off. It'll be useful until I get used to reading with this one.

Maybe I'll just tell myself that there's a lake where people swim beyond that hill and that part of the park is closed for the season. That way the whole card is still public, it's more of a temporary glitch, lol.

It's still a great deck. Not perfect - few to none are - but it reads well enough and I can recommend it to beginners, with some minor caveats.
 

 

Something else, anyone looking for "many trees" around the Tree card is going to have to remember Sun, Roads, Park and Moon. It's not that those cards don't show trees, they do. (They're tiny on the Sun, but they're there, on the left.)

 

But this deck has a LOT of cards with trees. And some of these are a very poor fit for recovery or a wish granted, lol:

 

So it's best not to rely on visuals for that, if you're going to use it at all.

[Decan]

Ah that's it, you got it!

That's true that Amazon US is a bit late for this one! I prefer it to the Dondorf (with the Dondorf it wasn't really that to be honest, we never were very close), some kind of distance, I don't know.

For the box, yes linen, likely linen for the card stock would have been too expansive to produce regarding the price they wanted to sell it for the mass market.

Concerning the pattern at the top right of the cards (stylized interwoven letters in the circles) I think they likely are F.P.&.S for Ferd. Piatnik & Söhne (i.e. Ferdinand Piatnik & sons).

It's weird that Lo Scarabeo publishes an old Piatnik Lenormand, I was wondering if they want to buy Piatnik, and if they are rich enough for that.

[katrinka]

3 minutes ago, Decan said:

That's true that Amazon US is a bit late for this one! I prefer it to the Dondorf (with the Dondorf it wasn't really that to be honest, we never were very close), some kind of distance, I don't know.

 

I love the Dondorf, but it's so burned into my eyeballs at this point. I haven't used it in awhile.
 

3 minutes ago, Decan said:

For the box, yes linen, likely linen for the card stock would have been too expansive to produce regarding the price they wanted to sell it for the mass market.

 

At places like Printers Studio, linen only costs a tiny bit more.
I guess LS considers this their cheapo deck? That's sad. If it sells well, I'm sure they'll publish a ginormous version with glitter that's useless as boobies on a boar hog. Or perchance a version with black bars and bad keywords. Ugh, I wish they'd get a clue and just do linen.

 

3 minutes ago, Decan said:

Concerning the pattern at the top right of the cards (stylized interwoven letters in the circles) I think they likely are F.P.&.S for Ferd. Piatnik & Söhne (i.e. Ferdinand Piatnik & sons).

 

Yep, they left it.
They probably don't know what it is.
Hang on to your copy, I'm sure that soon they'll put the number on both sides like they did with "French Cartomancy."

 

3 minutes ago, Decan said:

It's weird that Lo Scarabeo publishes an old Piatnik Lenormand, I was wondering if they want to buy Piatnik, and if they are rich enough for that.

I think the copyright simply ran out. I doubt Piatnik is going away.

[katrinka]

It's cool that they retained the original backs, though. The Sibilla Della Zingara has those awful sepia Fortuna backs.
Hey, I was just looking for an image of the original Faustino Solesio Sibilla to show the backs and this popped up! No black bars!
https://loja.falandolenormandes.com/us/products/sibilla-faustino-solesio/

[katrinka]

Apparently LS is doing a very small print run (the site says 80!) for the Portuguese market. The lottery numbers are missing, but there's no black bars or other added garbage. It would be a good deck for anybody who missed the 2001 edition.

[Decan]

It's not nice what they did for the Portuguese market. The images look excessively contrasted, and for the card stock I'm not sure it is good.

The Portuguese market is a big one since with Portugal there is Brasil! Sure there are a lot of people in these countries who want to buy a Faustino Solesio Sibilla.

A limited run of 80 for Lo Scarabeo? It's weird, hoping this isn't a fake, it looks like a bit (poor quality).

[katrinka]

It might be. I noticed the high contrast and general not-quite-right colors. The colors on the 2001 are gorgeous, this is meh. And Brazil would certainly purchase more than 80 decks.
And why oh why do away with the lottery numbers? I haven't hit the Powerball yet, but they're fun. And I'm sure they were known to work years ago when the lottery was just a neighborhood numbers runner and the odds were better.
And 80 is a REALLY small run. Perchance someone here who talks with the LS people could ask about this deck and find out if it's legit?

Edited July 17, 2021 by katrinka

[gregory]

3 hours ago, Decan said:

Concerning the pattern at the top right of the cards (stylized interwoven letters in the circles) I think they likely are F.P.&.S for Ferd. Piatnik & Söhne (i.e. Ferdinand Piatnik & sons).

It's weird that Lo Scarabeo publishes an old Piatnik Lenormand, I was wondering if they want to buy Piatnik, and if they are rich enough for that.

 

I doubt very much if they are rich enough....

 

3 hours ago, katrinka said:

At places like Printers Studio, linen only costs a tiny bit more.
I guess LS considers this their cheapo deck? That's sad. If it sells well, I'm sure they'll publish a ginormous version with glitter that's useless as boobies on a boar hog. Or perchance a version with black bars and bad keywords. Ugh, I wish they'd get a clue and just do linen.

I will ask when I - see below....

 

3 hours ago, katrinka said:

Yep, they left it.
They probably don't know what it is.

I'm sure they know. They may have left it because it's a facsimile and it was on the original ?

 

2 hours ago, katrinka said:

It might be. I noticed the high contrast and general not-quite-right colors. The colors on the 2001 are gorgeous, this is meh. And Brazil would certainly purchase more than 80 decks.
And why oh why do away with the lottery numbers? I haven't hit the Powerball yet, but they're fun. And I'm sure they were known to work years ago when the lottery was just a neighborhood numbers runner and the odds were better.
And 80 is a REALLY small run. Perchance someone here who talks with the LS people could ask about this deck and find out if it's legit?

 Someone will  (not that I know where you saw this.... - link please ?)

[katrinka]

20 minutes ago, gregory said:

I'm sure they know. They may have left it because it's a facsimile and it was on the original ?

 

They did away with the Bernhard Dondorf logo on the French Cartomancy deck and just put the numbers on both sides...
 

20 minutes ago, gregory said:

Someone will  (not that I know where you saw this.... - link please ?)

https://loja.falandolenormandes.com/us/products/sibilla-faustino-solesio/