Poison

[Guest]

Would it be wrong to use the Snake as to signify poison? Could it be materially (the thing which causes harm) or metaphorically (poisonous words, for example, as in Letter + Snake)?

[DownUnderNZer]

 

@fabfranco

 

Owls can be all about gossip so maybe Owls+Snake or Snake+Owls for verbal.

 

Gossip that is malicious or Poison Communication.

 

And Letter+Snake or Snake+Letter for anything written.

 

Written slander or deceitful harmful writing.

 

It most definitely can be  applied in a few other areas as well.

 

So in short - YES it can be used in the way you are asking.

 

 

DND 🌞

[Guest]

6 hours ago, DownUnderNZer said:

 

@fabfranco

 

Owls can be all about gossip so maybe Owls+Snake or Snake+Owls for verbal.

 

Gossip that is malicious or Poison Communication.

 

And Letter+Snake or Snake+Letter for anything written.

 

Written slander or deceitful harmful writing.

 

It most definitely can be  applied in a few other areas as well.

 

So in short - YES it can be used in the way you are asking.

 

 

DND 🌞

It's quite reassuring! Thanks @DownUnderNZer

[Guest]

8 hours ago, fabfranco said:

Would it be wrong to use the Snake as to signify poison? Could it be materially (the thing which causes harm) or metaphorically (poisonous words, for example, as in Letter + Snake)?

Yes. Quite a few cartomantes view the Serpent as a python, but the Serpent is a viper with venom. Depending on the context one might see septicaemia (Serpent + Heart), a toxic environment (Serpent + Park), and so on. 

 

The Serpent + the Letter would refer to a poison pen letter, DM/SMS as well as  telephone calls of a malicious intent. 
 

Do remember though that the Serpent does not automatically refer to deceit or malicious intent. There is two sides to her. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

Do remember though that the Serpent does not automatically refer to deceit or malicious intent. There is two sides to her. 

Do you refer to the fact that some people view the snake as wisdom? Or am I missing something here?

[Guest]

By the way @timtoldrum et al: is it true that the Snake neutralizes the Mice and the Stork neutralizes the Snake? I read it somewhere, but I hadn't seen it in any book that I have. 

[katrinka]

3 hours ago, timtoldrum said:

 

Do remember though that the Serpent does not automatically refer to deceit or malicious intent. There is two sides to her. 

Agreed - it's important not to kneejerk with the cards. 
One popular youtube reader virtually always read the Snake as "the other woman!!!" Most of the time, it isn't that at all. If it was, every GT would have an affair in it.

 

11 minutes ago, fabfranco said:

Do you refer to the fact that some people view the snake as wisdom? Or am I missing something here?

I can't speak for @timtoldrum, but I think it's more pragmatic than that. Snakes can resemble rivers, winding roads, tubing, pipes, etc., so the card can stand in for these things. Snake can be a detour because we don't want to step on them. It's possible that the Snake could be associated with an older woman due to wisdom, but it's also possible that it's because the scales on a snake's face are reminiscent of wrinkles, lol. Snakes are nearsighted, so Snake women often wear glasses. Etc. 

 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, fabfranco said:

By the way @timtoldrum et al: is it true that the Snake neutralizes the Mice and the Stork neutralizes the Snake? I read it somewhere, but I hadn't seen it in any book that I have. 

Yes. The Serpent and the Mice was the subject of the first article I ever wrote (2010). My second teacher — a French cartomante  — told me the rule (she had a few including the Serpent biting the Fox’s heel). 

 

I did a GT on Thursday where the Gentleman’s line ended:

 

 

The Serpent neutralises the Mice. Ring is safe. Like all snakes, she will need time to digest her meal. 
 

 

Had he got the above the Mice are left to run riot. The Ring is unsafe.

 

The Stork and the Serpent is much the same. Björn was fond of it.

 

Its origin is old. If you look at old Petit Lenormands (and the Das Spiel der Hoffnung), the Stork is wading and is eating either a frog or near. It is a reference to the Frog King. However, storks, herons and cranes all eat snakes. 

 

 

Above the Stork neutralises the Serpent. But below is the reverse:

 

 

Here the venom of the Serpent overcomes the Stork. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, fabfranco said:

Do you refer to the fact that some people view the snake as wisdom? Or am I missing something here?

 

Not so much. Like @katrinkasaid it is more pragmatic. 

First and foremost the Serpent is a warning of where to proceed with caution. Often that can be one’s own foolhardiness rather than an external malevolence. Remember the tale of the Farmer and the Viper?
 

Otherwise she is more indicative of delays and wrangling and the bite of conscience (guilt). Unlike the Fox, the Mice, the Clouds, and so on, the Serpent is a neutral card.
 

The association with wisdom is not unfounded. Snakes were observed to be able to move about above and below ground – the latter cognate to Elphame, Hel and so on.

Snakes keep their belly to the ground so we’re thought to know the land and it’s voices.
 

The German Fable of the White Serpent was well known and told in Europe.
 

And even the Bible admits that the Serpent is the most subtle of all the beast... 

 

[Guest]

@timtoldrum Thank you profoundly for the very ellucidating lesson. I hadn't paid attention that, in those two situations, direction plays a role. Therefore, I reckon that if the snake head is towards the left, the cards positions (and their meanings) have to reverse, right?

 

And, if you allow me, how could I interpret those pairs using attendance? I understood the mechanics of proximity here, but I wasn't able to - right away - say what the compounded pair Mice + Snake could mean (what came to my mind, straight away, was "complicated loss" or "betraying theft"). Likewise, when looking at the pair Snake + Stork, the sentence which came to my mind was "changing treachery" or "relocation wranglings"... 

Edited April 24, 2021 by Guest
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[Guest]

49 minutes ago, timtoldrum said:

The Serpent and the Mice was the subject of the first article I ever wrote (2010).

Incidentally, is this article still available to be read?

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, fabfranco said:

@timtoldrum Thank you profoundly for the very ellucidating lesson. I hadn't paid attention that, in those two situations, direction play a role. Therefore, I reckon that if the snake head is towards the left, the cards positions (and their meanings) have to reverse, right?

Yes. However there is an issue: it would mean that the B card is eating the A. It is for this reason one prefers right facing Fox and Serpent card. 

 

Madame Al-Ansari (my second teacher) favoured the Rote and Blaue Owl cards. 

16 minutes ago, fabfranco said:

And, if you allow me, how could I interpret those pairs using attendance? I understood the mechanics of proximity here, but I wasn't able to - right away - say what the compounded pair Mice + Snake could mean (what came to my mind, straight away, was "complicated loss" or "betraying theft"). Likewise, when looking at the pair Snake + Stork, the sentence which came to my mind was "changing treachery" or "relocation wranglings"... 

 

In the GT the line went Gentleman - Birds - Serpent - Mice - Ring. Ring is the house of the Moon. 

 

He was extremely worried (Gentleman + Birds) about losing a relationship (Serpent + Mice + Ring). However the lost can be avoid (Serpent eats the Mice) through the agency of a woman (Birds + Serpent). The Serpent was over (influence) the Cavalier who had backed off as the Gentleman was in the midst of a divorce from his wife. 
 

I will be writing up the GT for a post. But for privacy, he will vet the reading so I cannot go into too much details. 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, fabfranco said:

Incidentally, is this article still available to be read?

No. The articles were short (500 words or so) about combinations. I had a website where I offered telephone readings but I kept getting questions about the cards. After some time I moved to WordPress.

 

Much of it is here: https://thepetitlenormand.com/the-serpent/

and an article here:

https://damefatespicturebook.com/2019/04/22/more-subtle-than-any-of-the-beasts-of-the-earth/

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, timtoldrum said:

No. The articles were short (500 words or so) about combinations. I had a website where I offered telephone readings but I kept getting questions about the cards. After some time I moved to WordPress.

 

Much of it is here: https://thepetitlenormand.com/the-serpent/

and an article here:

https://damefatespicturebook.com/2019/04/22/more-subtle-than-any-of-the-beasts-of-the-earth/

 

You don't know how many times I've been there, reading you. 😃

 

Thanks again. I'm still making my head around the Snake + Mice and Snake + Stork combinations. But I'm sure I'll learn them.

[Guest]

20 hours ago, fabfranco said:

You don't know how many times I've been there, reading you. 😃

 

Thanks again. I'm still making my head around the Snake + Mice and Snake + Stork combinations. But I'm sure I'll learn them.

I am glad that the site is useful. Unfortunately, WordPress has made a number of changes which make it extremely difficult to use. So I have moved the blog-side of the site to circlestead.blogspot.com. 
 

I plan to do an article on both the Serpent and the Fox cards. 
 

During lockdown, I was able to review my handwritten journals kept between 1990 and 2013. I’ve now put most of the PL info contained therein into one big journal.
 

It has given me a few nuggets that I want to share. 

Edited April 25, 2021 by Guest

[Guest]

1 hour ago, timtoldrum said:

uring lockdown I was able to review my handwritten journals kept between 1990 and 2013. I’ve now put a lot of the PL info into one big journal. It has given me a few nuggets I want to share. 

The more, the merrier. Eagerly waiting for that!