Evan Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 I just started reading Tarot recently and found sometimes my reading is quite accurate but sometimes it is not. I probably doesn't understand the card well enough as I am still very new but I guess there are many influences at the same time. I will like to ask the experienced Tarot sisters and brothers, how do you score the below if I ask you to determine the factors that contribute to your accuracy in reading, especially online session? xx % Card Knowledge xx% Intuition / Psychic ability xx% Experience
devin Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) For me and the way I currently read, experience and card knowledge make for 90+% of accuracy. Being in the habit also plays a significant role. And it's important to keep in mind that card knowledge goes beyond having a list of meanings drilled. Rather it can be seen as developing a considerable familiarity and working knowledge of the various ways in which the cards interact with each other/spread positions and how they relate to/represent events in everyday life. Take heart in your successes and go easy on your failures, for the Tarot is like a muscle - the more you use it, the stronger it gets. Edited July 11, 2021 by devin
TheLoracular Posted July 13, 2021 Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) On 7/11/2021 at 7:08 AM, Evan said: I just started reading Tarot recently and found sometimes my reading is quite accurate but sometimes it is not. I probably doesn't understand the card well enough as I am still very new but I guess there are many influences at the same time. I will like to ask the experienced Tarot sisters and brothers, how do you score the below if I ask you to determine the factors that contribute to your accuracy in reading, especially online session? xx % Card Knowledge xx% Intuition / Psychic ability xx% Experience Hi @Evan For me: 20% Card Knowledge 40% Intuition/Psychic Ability 30% Experience (general experience from doing tarot readings for a long long time) ... and 10% is relating to Experience but more specific. My readings are -more- accurate when I'm doing readings (online or otherwise) for people that I personally know, especially myself and those within my immediate circle. I ~think~ this is because my intuition/psychic abiility doesn't have to work so hard. I already know things about them, their circumstances, I have an entire forest to work with. Now, I can still be inaccurate (just for a different reason) because if the reading is about something I've got a bias towards or against? Then I might answer from bias vs. answering from card knowledge-intuition-experience. Reading for strangers, especially over the Internet, isn't something I can do accurately on a whim. Intuition does kick in and readings can be very accurate, especially if the question being asked is the right question for the querent to be asking right then and there. Sometimes, querents will ask one question but they are really wanting to know something else, or else what is going on isn't what they think it is, so the answer is accurate for the situation, but not accurate for the question and vice versa. That's the kind of stuff that experience and practice and doing lots of readings for different people in different formats just teaches you what to expect and you learn how to go back and forth, talking to querents, and getting readings to flow and leave them (and you) satisfied. The reason I put such a low % on Card Knowledge is that this year, I've been practicing doing a lot of readings with decks I've never used in the past and I never even bothered to read the guide book. And it doesn't seem to matter much after so many years of experience in reading other tarot cards and having great intuition and abstract thinking that I am going in blind so to speak with knowledge about a specific set of cards: the readings are just as accurate as they are with decks I've studied and read/written about. Edited July 13, 2021 by TheLoracular
gregory Posted July 13, 2021 Posted July 13, 2021 On 7/11/2021 at 3:08 PM, Evan said: I just started reading Tarot recently and found sometimes my reading is quite accurate but sometimes it is not. I probably doesn't understand the card well enough as I am still very new but I guess there are many influences at the same time. I will like to ask the experienced Tarot sisters and brothers, how do you score the below if I ask you to determine the factors that contribute to your accuracy in reading, especially online session? xx % Card Knowledge xx% Intuition / Psychic ability xx% Experience Card Knowledge 5% Intuition: 80% Experience 15%. But I have to say accuracy for me is a reading that resonates with my querent. How I got to wherever isn't the point, for me.
katrinka Posted July 13, 2021 Posted July 13, 2021 It's hard to quantify. Card knowledge is vital. Both experience with the cards and life experience are, too. And intuition is dependent on both of these. I guess it's about an equal split.
Nisaba Posted July 13, 2021 Posted July 13, 2021 On 7/12/2021 at 12:08 AM, Evan said: I will like to ask the experienced Tarot sisters and brothers, how do you score the below if I ask you to determine the factors that contribute to your accuracy in reading, especially online session? xx % Card Knowledge xx% Intuition / Psychic ability xx% Experience For a start, I don't do maths, so percentages are a closed book to me. 🙂 I'm not great as an online reader - I do much better face to face. Readings for me are a dialogue. They shuffle the deck, putting the cards in the correct order for their subconscious. I lay them out. I clear my mind and start talking. They tell me how what I say fits into their life as they experience it. That allows me to revisit the card and get greater depth and relevance out of it. Knowledge is important as the background to how you think about Tarot, but I shake my head at people who asked how I managed to "memorise" all those cards - that's really not how it works. In tuition/psychic ability is something we ALL were born with! It's a fundamental human characteristic. Otherwise, our ancestors would never have survived in environments teeming with large, well-armed carnivores. These days, a lot of parents and all formal schooling try to educate kids out of it. But experience is king. The more you read, the more bad readings you do for other people, the less likely you are do do that again. But there's a fourth thing you didn't list: fluidity. There are only 78 cards, but all humans are unique and in any given reading, each of the cards on the table might have probably a hundred thousand different shades of meaning for different people in different situations. This is why you can't rely on "knowledge" or memorisation. Instead, I've tried to teach my former students that the keywords they might have suggested for them for each card are not really relevant: they are trying to convey the same thing the artwork is, which is a nebulous non-physical energy unique to each card. A good reading is when you recognise those energies, and inquire about the client's life, and discuss how those energies might inform and change their lives: what courses of action might help bring about best possibilities or avoid worst possibilities, what the client can do in the real world to get the most out of their life. Tarot cards are fluid, ever-changing. I doubt that I've ever in my LIFE said the same thing about any card to two different people.
katrinka Posted July 16, 2021 Posted July 16, 2021 Relax, I'm here. As for the second part of your question, which I neglected to answer, accuracy is determined by whether the things said in the reading come to pass or not, in most cases. Of course, if the cards warn the sitter of trouble, and they manage to avert it, it's difficult to verify if it doesn't involve a plane crash or similar. But the things that can be verified should be true. That's what makes a reading accurate.
gregory Posted July 16, 2021 Posted July 16, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 5:58 PM, Sar said: I just know. And you do too. So where have you BEEN ?
euripides Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/16/2021 at 11:29 PM, devin said: Help! The intuitives have got me surrounded! bwahahaha. Yeah look I tend towards standard meanings a fair bit - I mean there's a reason we use cards - though there's certainly a good chunk of intuition in there too, but centered on those 78 images. Sometimes though, on rare occasions, I just know, and it's sometimes not that connected... so *shrugs* What I find tricky sometimes is if there's choice or decision implicated and which consequence I'm being shown.
eggy Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 I'm also fairly new to tarot so this is an awesome thread for me too! I find that my readings resonate more with strangers and particularly women than they do with people I know. I also have a lot of trouble interpreting the cards for myself, often jumping to the worst case scenario. If I rely too much on my brain I get into all sorts of trouble drawing conclusions from the circumstances I know outside the cards. I've been practicing asking a single question, drawing a card and a couple clarifiers. This is about 70% card knowledge from a pool of meanings/ dialectic as a starting place and I use my intuition to paint the other 30% of the picture. I still have trouble disambiguating my brain from my intuition so if I try it intuition first, card knowledge second things don't go so well. Usually if I'm confused about a reading its less accurate too. Sometimes it clicks a few hours later.
katrinka Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 On 7/13/2021 at 3:27 PM, gregory said: But I have to say accuracy for me is a reading that resonates with my querent. I know you can read cards and I've never seen you lie to anyone, gregory, but I'm starting to see that term "resonates" a lot and it was bugging me, but I couldn't put my finger on why. It's the word, not you. I think I finally figured out what bothers me about it. And it would depend how a person accomplishes this "resonance." When something resonates with someone, it hits them on an emotional level because they can relate to it. It might even give them a revelation and/or cause them to rethink past decisions. Such things can be life altering. But I've seen this reaction to sketchy TV mediums. The medium gives a stock answer: "She wants you to know she made it. She's with you and all is forgiven. She leaves you pennies on the sidewalk." And the person being read for cries tears of joy and relief, they're no longer burdened with worries. Beneficial? Yes. But accurate? We have no way of knowing. And then there are cold readers who say things that could be true for anybody: "People take advantage of you sometimes." "You're not living up to your full potential." Such statements will often resonate, but the reading is fake. And some people have an inflated opinion of themselves. Flattery will "resonate". They might look like a blobfish, but you could tell them people are jealous of their good looks and they'd just sit there and eat it up. It would "resonate". Telling people what they want to hear doesn't make a reading accurate. I do think it's beneficial for a reading to resonate (if done honestly), and it can certainly bring you repeat clients. But I don't think it's necessarily a good gauge of accuracy.
euripides Posted July 19, 2021 Posted July 19, 2021 3 hours ago, katrinka said: And some people have an inflated opinion of themselves. Flattery will "resonate". ... I do think it's beneficial for a reading to resonate (if done honestly), and it can certainly bring you repeat clients. But I don't think it's necessarily a good gauge of accuracy. I find people often only hear what they want to hear. They'll push back and cherry pick whatever bolsters their ego or their own thoughts .. so often I'll offer what I feel is a valid reading but no ... unfortunately people don't like to be wrong, either, so you don't have them come back in a couple of months and say 'I get it now ...'. Assuming I *was* right of course and I'm not saying I often am, but the cards don't lie.
gregory Posted July 19, 2021 Posted July 19, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, katrinka said: I know you can read cards and I've never seen you lie to anyone, gregory, but I'm starting to see that term "resonates" a lot and it was bugging me, but I couldn't put my finger on why. It's the word, not you. I think I finally figured out what bothers me about it. And it would depend how a person accomplishes this "resonance." When something resonates with someone, it hits them on an emotional level because they can relate to it. It might even give them a revelation and/or cause them to rethink past decisions. Such things can be life altering. But I've seen this reaction to sketchy TV mediums. The medium gives a stock answer: "She wants you to know she made it. She's with you and all is forgiven. She leaves you pennies on the sidewalk." And the person being read for cries tears of joy and relief, they're no longer burdened with worries. Beneficial? Yes. But accurate? We have no way of knowing. And then there are cold readers who say things that could be true for anybody: "People take advantage of you sometimes." "You're not living up to your full potential." Such statements will often resonate, but the reading is fake. And some people have an inflated opinion of themselves. Flattery will "resonate". They might look like a blobfish, but you could tell them people are jealous of their good looks and they'd just sit there and eat it up. It would "resonate". Telling people what they want to hear doesn't make a reading accurate. I do think it's beneficial for a reading to resonate (if done honestly), and it can certainly bring you repeat clients. But I don't think it's necessarily a good gauge of accuracy. I get that. But I wouldn't run with just "Oh yes thanks." Though that may be all I get. What I would regard as showing accuracy would be their showing me where it fits. If I see a POSSIBILITY that "he" will come back after a while - and if they then say something like "Thank you - that, makes sense as he did ask my mother how I was and say he hoped he'd be able to talk to me soon as he misses me" - that would be a resonance, for me (though I will stop using the term now - seriously - as I totally get what you mean - even though I meant it as your "revelation" etc thing !) But if I get "Oh thanks - I always knew I was the love of his life and you have confirmed that" I would not see that as anything other than "deluded, much ?" Indeed, I would probably be thinking "I can see why he left, poor guy..." Edited July 19, 2021 by gregory
devin Posted July 20, 2021 Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) On 7/18/2021 at 12:35 PM, euripides said: bwahahaha. Yeah look I tend towards standard meanings a fair bit - I mean there's a reason we use cards - though there's certainly a good chunk of intuition in there too, but centered on those 78 images. Sometimes though, on rare occasions, I just know, and it's sometimes not that connected... so *shrugs* Yeah, I hear ya. In those 'knowing' situations I can usually find some evidence in the cards to back things up. Then again, psychic insight is a thing, imo, so when it strikes, it strikes, no matter what the cards are showing. (Though, if you think about it, theoretically, intuition and the cards should be saying the same thing, right?) On 7/18/2021 at 12:35 PM, euripides said: What I find tricky sometimes is if there's choice or decision implicated and which consequence I'm being shown. I've found it can be useful to look for cards in the draw that represent the course of action. Y'know, like ad hoc significators. For example, Judgement as representing making an announcement or rekindling something, Death as representing calling it quits, the Tower for moving out, blah, blah, blah. The other thing is to just do separate draws for the different options. Edited July 20, 2021 by devin
Sar Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 On 7/16/2021 at 11:25 PM, gregory said: And you do too. So where have you BEEN ? Long sob story I am finished with, but I am ready to focus on my cartomancy again!! How are you?
Sar Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, fire cat pickles said: Sar is finally back! Yay!!! Hey!! How are you?
AlbaTross Posted August 3, 2021 Posted August 3, 2021 Nothing so deep, but what comes up either sounds applicable to me and whatever it is I'm reading into, or it doesn't. Then again, I've had instances where I think "that doesn't sound right" only for the thing that didn't sound right to me actually end up happening. When I'm reading for another querent, they usually tell me if it sounds right to them or not. I've had one instance where the future predicted did not happen, but to my understanding the cards don't actually predict a future set in stone so much as what could happen if things continue on the current track. I think that was one case where I inadvertently switched tracks at some point (and not for the better). Of course it's not all about predictions. Quite often I simply have cards speak into why things are how they are right now and what I can do to either keep them that way or change things, and they've been right.
Pretzel Posted August 3, 2021 Posted August 3, 2021 To be honest... (and this is only reading for myself), if something doesn't sound right then I use my pendulum over the specific card(s) and I ask: "Is my interpretation of these cards correct?"
Nisaba Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 I wouldn't even bother with the pendulum. I'd just ask myself. Do I feel compelled to read them this way, or do I feel uncertain? I'm not actually very interested in being accurate. I'm interested in being useful. If the cards show me, for example, trouble ahead, I like to look for ways the client can avoid that trouble or lessen its impact. If the cards show good things ahead, I like to read for what the client needs to do to bring that about. The thing is, I'm a believer in human free will. I don't believe anything is set in stone. At any time, you can change the way you handle things. At any time, any of the individuals who impact your life can change the way they handle things. That results in a changed outcome. To me, a reading is like a fast-flowing river. It is all racing down to a given destination. If you like that destination, fine. If not, you need to turn around and swim upstream. It's harder, but it's possible. In my opinion a reader's job is to get some idea where the river is heading, then advise the client on how to better that and get the most out of life. So I'm more interested in being USEFUL to my clients, than accurate.
katrinka Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 I don't trust the pendulum either, it tells me exactly what I want to hear. The primrose path. But, that said, some things can be changed, some can't. Some cases are just terminal, period. Some people are going to do time, no bones about it. Etc. Once there's a certain level of momentum behind something, you can't turn it around anymore. You just have to ride it out. Better to prepare the client for that and not give false hope.
euripides Posted August 6, 2021 Posted August 6, 2021 51 minutes ago, katrinka said: I don't trust the pendulum either, it tells me exactly what I want to hear. The primrose path. But, that said, some things can be changed, some can't. Some cases are just terminal, period. Some people are going to do time, no bones about it. Etc. Once there's a certain level of momentum behind something, you can't turn it around anymore. You just have to ride it out. Better to prepare the client for that and not give false hope. Oh I found that with the pendulum. I loved the idea of it, but I just couldn't seem to get it to work independently. Momentum. And intertia, too. Some things have dug their roots down so deep they won't be budged.
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