ChaosandtheCrow Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 Hey So, I recently found out a reader I know removes the death card from each deck she owns and throws it away...because of her own superstitions. I've never purchased a reading from her, this was something she told me she did and I am glad that I never purchased a reading from her...I just personally feel like id be cheated...and that she lets her own personal feelings and beliefs interfere with a reading. I know that other cards in the deck can signify the same thing, but I think because to me a tarot deck should be 78 cards, you're reading with 77...and also its almost like you're pushing your superstitious beliefs on me without me even knowing it...it feels not right to me...I dunno...so im just wondering how others feel about this?
Raggydoll Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 You may enjoy these threads, there you’ll also see how most of us feel about such things 😊:
DanielJUK Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 There is a popular astrology blog online which does monthly and weekly horoscopes for everyone and they have a tarot card association in the reading. But they explain on the site about section that they don't include some tarot cards in these readings, they have removed Death and The Devil. This really irks me to be honest. I believe you cannot get a good reading by just removing random cards like this. The exception is some people only read with Major cards but I find it strange to not include Death in a reading. Death and renewal is a fundamental part of being human, you cannot run from it!
katrinka Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) It says a lot about the reader. How is a person who can't deal with an image of "Mister Thrifty" on pasteboard (or assumes that you can't) going to give you any kind of objective reading? It sounds like someone who probably shouldn't be reading professionally. Edited October 20, 2021 by katrinka
gregory Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) If you can't read with some cards in the deck - use an oracle deck instead. A tarot deck with cards deliberately removed is not a tarot deck. (A tarot deck with a card that accidentally fell under the table on one occasion when you shuffled is not the same thing,. in case anyone...) Edited October 20, 2021 by gregory
Decan Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 Regarding the Death card in the TdM it has no title (different in the RWS), and is called "the without name card" (to don't pronounce the word "death" I think), likely behind this lies the sort of fear why this woman removed the Death card from all her decks. This reader likely has a personal issue with death and things that end!
Raggydoll Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 One of the most common questions I have gotten from people who aren’t very used to tarot or tarot readers is “But what would you do if you saw that a person was going to die?” I think that maybe a reader that removes the death card is thinking along those lines, and they fear that the card might actually tell if someone is going to die soon. So by removing it, they might think they protect the client from having to learn such a thing. That’s just a guess, I honestly don’t know why people do it. And I would never do it myself. I quite like the death card!
malvina Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 I just can’t understand the “positivity only” mindset. No one’s life can always be picture perfect, so such attempts to sugarcoat things always seem like (a) a deliberate lie and (b) an insulting assumption that unpleasant experiences are secretly good because they lead to enlightenment, so one should automatically jump to ~transformation, rebirth, new beginnings. Why engage in cartomancy if not for the purpose of obtaining information?
Raggydoll Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Decan said: I hate when that happens 🤣 but at least it’s not as bad as this:
katrinka Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Raggydoll said: One of the most common questions I have gotten from people who aren’t very used to tarot or tarot readers is “But what would you do if you saw that a person was going to die?” I think that maybe a reader that removes the death card is thinking along those lines, and they fear that the card might actually tell if someone is going to die soon. So by removing it, they might think they protect the client from having to learn such a thing. 3 minutes ago, malvina said: I just can’t understand the “positivity only” mindset. No one’s life can always be picture perfect, so such attempts to sugarcoat things always seem like (a) a deliberate lie and (b) an insulting assumption that unpleasant experiences are secretly good because they lead to enlightenment, so one should automatically jump to ~transformation, rebirth, new beginnings. Why engage in cartomancy if not for the purpose of obtaining information? It's entirely possible that the reader could remove the card, or sugarcoat it, instead of telling the sitter to see a doctor, or avoid travel for awhile, or whatever - and the sitter could die needlessly. 2 minutes ago, Decan said: 🤣 🤣 🤣 It reminds me of a song: "The wolf came in, I got my cards, we sat down for a game I cut my deck to the Queen of Spades but the cards were all the same!" OK, he should have said 9 or 10 of Spades. He probably thought "Queen" sounded better. Now I kind of want an All Death TdM. 😁
malvina Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Raggydoll said: I think that maybe a reader that removes the death card is thinking along those lines, and they fear that the card might actually tell if someone is going to die soon. That in itself speaks volumes of that reader’s skills. One card cannot bear the responsibility of revealing such a major event, the entire spread must be screaming about it. I’d personally be looking for at least 4 specific cards next to each other before even entertaining an idea about a death augury. It seems like that reader doesn’t have any such combinations prepared in their mind and simply goes off of card titles?🤔 If that’s the case, no wonder they’re scared of this card…
katrinka Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, malvina said: That in itself speaks volumes of that reader’s skills. One card cannot bear the responsibility of revealing such a major event, the entire spread must be screaming about it. I’d personally be looking for at least 4 specific cards next to each other before even entertaining an idea about a death augury. It seems like that reader doesn’t have any such combinations prepared in their mind and simply goes off of card titles?🤔 If that’s the case, no wonder they’re scared of this card… This. I'd have to see a cluster. And sometimes that happens without the Death card making an appearance at all. Additionally, when a person is having very poor quality of life, their death can show up as very nice cards. It can be easy to miss. 2 hours ago, Raggydoll said: but at least it’s not as bad as this: That was squicky! I prefer this. 😁 Edited October 20, 2021 by katrinka
Grandma Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, katrinka said: That was squicky! Completely off topic but AWESOME word!
selena Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 3 hours ago, malvina said: That in itself speaks volumes of that reader’s skills. One card cannot bear the responsibility of revealing such a major event, the entire spread must be screaming about it. I’d personally be looking for at least 4 specific cards next to each other before even entertaining an idea about a death augury. It seems like that reader doesn’t have any such combinations prepared in their mind and simply goes off of card titles?🤔 If that’s the case, no wonder they’re scared of this card… Yes. This. Very much so. It is a very skewed vision of the tarot.
Eric13 Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 I'l second, third and so on... to what everyone here has said. Well said! I had the Death card come up in a reading about a couple of years ago now and yes, that card along with others in the spread was not what the sitter wanted to see or hear. And I'll keep it brief on that reading.And I've learned that unfortunately the cards and my reading was correct. I was also getting the Death cards in most every spread I did in lat '18 and early '19. I believe I made a comment about that on here somewhere also. But, it's not a tarot deck without the Death card or the Devil card. And it's not a true reader doing something like that. Those cards aren't necessarily "only" negative, or bad or whatever negativity superstitious people want to associate them with.
Decan Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, katrinka said: It reminds me of a song: "The wolf came in, I got my cards, we sat down for a game I cut my deck to the Queen of Spades but the cards were all the same!" OK, he should have said 9 or 10 of Spades. He probably thought "Queen" sounded better. It depends on the system used! 🙂 With the Russian method the Queen of Spades is kind of horrible, and apart to be a dangerous B***h this card stresses any bad card from the suit of Spades just next! Sort of exclamation mark you don't want to see. Too bad that Dmitry Korolev removed his videos on this topic from his YouTube channel, but it wasn't unexpected and otherwise I can understand. Edited October 21, 2021 by Decan
ChaosandtheCrow Posted October 21, 2021 Author Posted October 21, 2021 23 hours ago, Raggydoll said: You may enjoy these threads, there you’ll also see how most of us feel about such things 😊: wow...I have never heard of...a lot of these lol
ChaosandtheCrow Posted October 21, 2021 Author Posted October 21, 2021 23 hours ago, DanielJUK said: There is a popular astrology blog online which does monthly and weekly horoscopes for everyone and they have a tarot card association in the reading. But they explain on the site about section that they don't include some tarot cards in these readings, they have removed Death and The Devil. This really irks me to be honest. I believe you cannot get a good reading by just removing random cards like this. The exception is some people only read with Major cards but I find it strange to not include Death in a reading. Death and renewal is a fundamental part of being human, you cannot run from it! I agree...I feel like removing any card is like removing an important piece of foundation in your home.
ChaosandtheCrow Posted October 21, 2021 Author Posted October 21, 2021 21 hours ago, katrinka said: It says a lot about the reader. How is a person who can't deal with an image of "Mister Thrifty" on pasteboard (or assumes that you can't) going to give you any kind of objective reading? It sounds like someone who probably shouldn't be reading professionally. this is what I said when I found out...but what kills me is she has a lot of clients and repeat clients...I guess most people don't mind, or they don't know...cuz im not sure if she tells them or not
ChaosandtheCrow Posted October 21, 2021 Author Posted October 21, 2021 21 hours ago, gregory said: If you can't read with some cards in the deck - use an oracle deck instead. A tarot deck with cards deliberately removed is not a tarot deck. (A tarot deck with a card that accidentally fell under the table on one occasion when you shuffled is not the same thing,. in case anyone...) yes! many people read with oracles only nothing wrong with that at all
ChaosandtheCrow Posted October 21, 2021 Author Posted October 21, 2021 21 hours ago, Decan said: Regarding the Death card in the TdM it has no title (different in the RWS), and is called "the without name card" (to don't pronounce the word "death" I think), likely behind this lies the sort of fear why this woman removed the Death card from all her decks. This reader likely has a personal issue with death and things that end! yeah I noticed that...it kind of irritates me that they did that
euripides Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 On 10/21/2021 at 2:34 AM, Decan said: Regarding the Death card in the TdM it has no title (different in the RWS), and is called "the without name card" (to don't pronounce the word "death" I think), likely behind this lies the sort of fear why this woman removed the Death card from all her decks. This reader likely has a personal issue with death and things that end! Being unnamed is one thing - I think we're all familiar with those traditions of not naming gods for fear of invoking them - Hades being called Pluton and so on - but removing the card altogether is a worry. I mean there are plenty of decks that follow a 78 card pattern but re-envision many of the cards - one of those would be an option. TBH I'm in two minds - sometimes it works, other times not so much. Looking at 'the mirror' card in the Wildwood and thinking 'eh?' .... I can see why you might want to avoid negatives in some situations - I have a friend who basically doesn't read at all when her life partner is traveling - and maybe removing a particular card you dislike for some reason (there are some cards in specific decks where I just really dislike the image) could maybe still work - the deck will give you that information with other cards - but for a professional reader to do that? That's just not quite right.
malvina Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, euripides said: I can see why you might want to avoid negatives in some situations - I have a friend who basically doesn't read at all when her life partner is traveling I can understand that. And it’s a sensible alternative - to not read at all. Why risk getting upset if one values the peace of mind over knowledge about an upcoming trouble? Removing certain cards is a different stance though. The reader is still seemingly attempting to learn information, but not really, because they’re creating artificial boundaries on what information the cards can deliver? If I don’t want to read world news because they’re always depressing, I just don’t read them. I don’t open them with an intent to get updated while blocking certain letters.
gregory Posted October 21, 2021 Posted October 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, malvina said: I can understand that. And it’s a sensible alternative - to not read at all. Why risk getting upset if one values the peace of mind over knowledge about an upcoming trouble? Removing certain cards is a different stance though. The reader is still seemingly attempting to learn information, but not really, because they’re creating artificial boundaries on what information the cards can deliver? If I don’t want to read world news because they’re always depressing, I just don’t read them. I don’t open them with an intent to get updated while blocking certain letters. Exactly this. If you want to avoid negative answers - all that means is that if your sitter could have used a warning - they will miss out on that. You are not giving them the truth - you're doing like doctors used to do - "don't let's tell Mum she's dying; that will only depress her." Hasn't she the right to know ? Not to mention that NO CARD IS ALL BAD. So many people miss that point.
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