Tarotfreak Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 Hello all! I’m new to tarot and to this forum. I recently purchased the Light Seers tarot deck. I love it, apart from the 10 of swords card! To me the imagery on this card does not represent what the 10 of swords is about. I’d like to try and source the original 10 of swords card, does anyone know where I could get it? I messaged Chris Anne’s email direct but I’ve had no response. Thanks
gregory Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) When you ask to source the "original" ten swords - you just want to see it ? It's easy to find on line; here it is: under a spoiler as it offended a good few people, who took the woulds to be indications of slavery. I'm pretty sure she won't supply replacement cards using the original though. Spoiler I quote from one website talking about this: Quote From what I understand, it was drawn to represent the swords have been pulled out and she can heal and move on. Someone who was not familiar with the 10 of swords took it to be whip marks and a slave. The card has since been pulled and redrawn. She had a lot to say about it herself: https://lightseerstarot.com/10-of-swords-light-seers-tarot/ Edited March 11, 2022 by gregory
katrinka Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, gregory said: When you ask to source the "original" ten swords - you just want to see it ? It's easy to find on line; here it is: under a spoiler as it offended a good few people, who took the woulds to be indications of slavery. I'm pretty sure she won't supply replacement cards using the original though. Hide contents My immediate thoughts went to those old photographs of former slaves with masses of keloid scars on their backs where the whip cut them up. This card is vile. 6 minutes ago, gregory said: I quote from one website talking about this: "From what I understand, it was drawn to represent the swords have been pulled out and she can heal and move on. Someone who was not familiar with the 10 of swords took it to be whip marks and a slave. The card has since been pulled and redrawn." I'm quite familiar with the 10 of Swords. The Swords are not "pulled out." The person isn't going to "heal and move on." He's DEAD. If you want to infer that he transitions to a better life, if you want to say the sun is rising (it's more likely setting), that's you. The card itself isn't pointing to that. 6 minutes ago, gregory said: She had a lot to say about it herself: https://lightseerstarot.com/10-of-swords-light-seers-tarot/ There are two ways of looking at that. One is very cynical. It's possible that she depicted a Black woman(!) in a head wrap(!) with her back cut up(!!!) deliberately in order to generate controversy and garner attention. Bad publicity is still publicity. "I can always apologize and change it later!" Uhhh...NO. The other is that she really didn't know. I'm skeptical that anyone is that insulated, tone deaf and ignorant. How does anyone not know that slaves were tied up and whipped? It's been depicted in countless books and documentaries. It's an actual trope in movies that feature slavery. Has she purposely avoided media that features people who are not white? There is no explanation that reflects well on her.
gregory Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) I'm fairly sure she really didn't know. I was around, in mid-order, when the **** hit the fan. She was gobsmacked; she really intended it to show healing after death, kinda. Those are SUPPOSED to be treated (stitched) and healing stab wounds. The original description said that. IIRC (I must dig mine out...) ETA yes it does - it refers specifically to their being STAB wounds. And the whole deck is supposed to be about the healing of wounds. Edited March 11, 2022 by gregory
katrinka Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, gregory said: I'm fairly sure she really didn't know. I was around, in mid-order, when the **** hit the fan. She was gobsmacked; she really intended it to show healing after death, kinda. Those are SUPPOSED to be treated (stitched) and healing stab wounds. The original description said that. IIRC (I must dig mine out...) ETA yes it does - it refers specifically to their being STAB wounds. And the whole deck is supposed to be about the healing of wounds. But did she ever actually LOOK at the image she created? Did she post images as the deck was being created? Did she show ANY other living human being who is not supportive of Proud Boys, the KKK or Atomwaffen? It's a Black woman with a cut up back. What kind of reaction did she expect? Are we supposed to believe she's really that stupid?
DanielJUK Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 Welcome to the forum @Tarotfreak do come and introduce yourself in the section over here if you would like to I've moved this thread from RWS to Tarot Decks as it's a better place for this discussion 🙂
Tarotfreak Posted March 11, 2022 Author Posted March 11, 2022 Hey I didn’t mean to start a debate on this, what I asked for was where I could actually buy this card?! If you don’t know please don’t comment, this was not meant to be a bash Chris Anne thread. Thanks
Tarotfreak Posted March 11, 2022 Author Posted March 11, 2022 Hey yes I have seen the card, I just want to know where I could buy it, I did not mean to spark a debate on the rights/wrongs of the imagery 🙈
katrinka Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 40 minutes ago, Tarotfreak said: Hey I didn’t mean to start a debate on this, what I asked for was where I could actually buy this card?! If you don’t know please don’t comment, this was not meant to be a bash Chris Anne thread. Thanks You're telling people not to speak up when they see racism, IOW.
joy Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Tarotfreak said: Hey I didn’t mean to start a debate on this, what I asked for was where I could actually buy this card?! If you don’t know please don’t comment, this was not meant to be a bash Chris Anne thread. Thanks Hello and welcome to the Forum @Tarotfreak. We are very proud to be a very friendly forum. Your comment comes across as rather rude. Other members just tried to help. Now everybody let us go back then to just answer 'where can I buy this card'.
gregory Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Tarotfreak said: Hey yes I have seen the card, I just want to know where I could buy it, I did not mean to spark a debate on the rights/wrongs of the imagery 🙈 Well - I am quite sure that you can't but it from the artist; Chris Anne made it very clear that it would never appear again - so your only chance would be if someone wanted to break up a deck. If mine had the original card, I certainly wouldn't break it, and I doubter if anyone else would. Given how things panned out, I don't personally think racism actually comes into it, but it certainly came over as a very racist card to many people (I wasn't actually one of them; the scars looked to me like stitched stab wounds until people who were bugged by the slavery tying started to say how they saw it) - and that's why Chris Anne pulled it. Perhaps the best option is to try to work with what she chose to put in the deck in the end. She talked of it as a card of healing - and while that is far from the usual take on the 10, maybe just work with it as it stands. A good many of the cards in the deck aren't exactly what one might have expected, Or print yourself off one from the images on line.
Niobium Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 Your best bet is to hit up some of the FB groups and see if anyone with an original copy of the deck wants to trade for the new card. I've seen those requests on occasion.
katrinka Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, gregory said: Given how things panned out, I don't personally think racism actually comes into it, but it certainly came over as a very racist card to many people (I wasn't actually one of them; the scars looked to me like stitched stab wounds until people who were bugged by the slavery tying started to say how they saw it) - and that's why Chris Anne pulled it. I could believe that if she'd used a caucasian for that particular image. I did some image searching and the majority of women in the deck look white. Not this one, though.
stephanelli Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 Despite a warning from a moderator this thread continues to go off topic so I have locked this thread to keep it going further into disagreements and upsetting more people. It is important to acknowledge the reasons why the card was pulled from the deck, but this was not intended to be the place to discuss this in depth.
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