Giana222 Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 Help! I tried to look for other posts but couldn’t find any. If there are please let me know. dealing with a separation divorce so I’ve pulled some cards and one is the damn five of swords! I struggle with this card so much. I know this isn’t much context but I believe we are only to post a single card, but I’m thinking in this situation it’s seen as just let it be, there are no winners. any advice would be appreciated. Thanks 🙂
joy Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 Hey @Giana222 if you just want to discuss this one card, then this is the right sub-forum. Otherwise you have to show all cards, with your interpretation and add it to Personal Readings. 5 of Swords: yes I agree there are no winners, there really are never in a fight, are there? Its also, depending on who you identify with in the card: just walk away and let the other have his fight by himself.
gregory Posted August 23, 2022 Posted August 23, 2022 It's also - for me - a bit about violence (physical or otherwise) never being the answer.
DanielJUK Posted August 24, 2022 Posted August 24, 2022 I always think it's a card where you look at the art of the picture. I am just giving an example deck but in the RWS card picture, you have the two guys in the back and the guy in the front. It's always worth thinking where do you see yourself in it? or for the person you read for. Waite said about this card, "A disdainful man looks after two retreating and dejected figures" I always think that is a good description of the mood / faces of the people. The two people in the background look like they have lost and they lay their swords on the ground, we cannot see their faces but one looks like they are crying with their hands to their face. The guy in the front should be the "winner" and holds 3 Swords and has a smirk but he hasn't won really. Like Joy said, there are no winners here. The Clouds set the scene, they look stormy and squally and it seems like there is no happiness or resolve here. I think this card is about conquest, who is the winner and has the power! But the guy in the front might have won but his two friends behind may not speak to him again and so he has lost his best friends. I think a big piece of advice from this card is to pick your battles carefully. Do you want the stress and tension of acting in certain ways? Do you want to end a connection with someone forever by the choices or actions you take. You might do or say something you may regret and instead of fighting about it afterwards, you might have to apologise. The person in the front of the card really needs to understand the position of the other people in the cards, not battle more about it.
Guest Posted August 24, 2022 Posted August 24, 2022 The cards can also represent feelings. The 5 of swords is about feeling let down and disappointed. The cards may not be as daunting seen as feelings and not events. Feeling let down is natural , even if you wanted the divorce as it is ending of dreams.
Giana222 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Posted August 24, 2022 11 hours ago, joy said: Hey @Giana222 if you just want to discuss this one card, then this is the right sub-forum. Otherwise you have to show all cards, with your interpretation and add it to Personal Readings. 5 of Swords: yes I agree there are no winners, there really are never in a fight, are there? Its also, depending on who you identify with in the card: just walk away and let the other have his fight by himself. Joy, thank you! I’m not sure if it’s a person specifically, or if it’s just the situation itself. Agree, never really a winner in this situation.
Giana222 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Posted August 24, 2022 11 hours ago, gregory said: It's also - for me - a bit about violence (physical or otherwise) never being the answer. I can totally see that. The smug look on the guys face always throws me off a bit lol
Giana222 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Posted August 24, 2022 10 hours ago, DanielJUK said: I always think it's a card where you look at the art of the picture. I am just giving an example deck but in the RWS card picture, you have the two guys in the back and the guy in the front. It's always worth thinking where do you see yourself in it? or for the person you read for. Waite said about this card, "A disdainful man looks after two retreating and dejected figures" I always think that is a good description of the mood / faces of the people. The two people in the background look like they have lost and they lay their swords on the ground, we cannot see their faces but one looks like they are crying with their hands to their face. The guy in the front should be the "winner" and holds 3 Swords and has a smirk but he hasn't won really. Like Joy said, there are no winners here. The Clouds set the scene, they look stormy and squally and it seems like there is no happiness or resolve here. I think this card is about conquest, who is the winner and has the power! But the guy in the front might have won but his two friends behind may not speak to him again and so he has lost his best friends. I think a big piece of advice from this card is to pick your battles carefully. Do you want the stress and tension of acting in certain ways? Do you want to end a connection with someone forever by the choices or actions you take. You might do or say something you may regret and instead of fighting about it afterwards, you might have to apologise. The person in the front of the card really needs to understand the position of the other people in the cards, not battle more about it. This makes so much sense. Thank you! It’s like, you can win, but are you really winning?
Giana222 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Posted August 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Kate22 said: The cards can also represent feelings. The 5 of swords is about feeling let down and disappointed. The cards may not be as daunting seen as feelings and not events. Feeling let down is natural , even if you wanted the divorce as it is ending of dreams. That’s a good perspective. Even if it’s for the better, the mixed emotions are pretty natural.
Chariot Posted August 24, 2022 Posted August 24, 2022 I always try to determine whether this upright card refers to the person who is defeated—or to the one who 'wins.' If the querent or subject of the reading is the winner, I would interpret this (upright) card as 'a success earned through personal degradation, humiliation, malicious gossip or an attack on dignity. (Probably not an actual physical fight.) The victory can feel hollow because of the way it was achieved. You 'win,' but lose respect, affection, and friendship in the process. This can also be the card of the bully. If the querent is the victim in this action, I would probably interpret the card as 'defeat or dishonor which must be accepted—even if the winner is gloating a bit. Curb futile belligerence and accept the inevitable. There is a need to swallow pride. Live to 'fight' another day. It can also signal, in some circumstances, a person continuing to cause strife even after the matter is settled and others have moved on. In reversal, the card can mean 'putting a good face on defeat and pretending all is well, when it clearly isn't. Being a good loser. The querent is likely to be the loser when the card is reversed. It's a good idea to move as far away as possible from the source of the conflict. This card can also mean someone is avoiding a confrontation in order to 'fit in.' If the other cards warrant it, the reversed card can also mean rejecting a chance to achieve victory using dishonorable tactics. That's a 'good' card interpretation to receive, if you're the honourable sort! Aren't we all? 😀
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