fastbreak10 Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) Hi. I am new here. I have known about and sparingly had my tarot cards read for me maybe 10 times total over the course of a year and a half. Then I finally bought my own deck, which sat there and I did not hardly use due to lack of knowledge for at least 6 months. I recently realized, a few days ago, that I could ask it yes or no questions and understand the answers by googling the cards. I have an important story to ask. Over the last few days I've been asking it A LOT of questions as I am naturally an extremely inquisitive person, and also have a very specialized knowledge about the truth of this realm. I have been asking it questions I can only imagine few if any ask. 3 days ago it gave me the 9 of wands. In the TdM book when I open it to this card, it says "Difficulties and oppositions force the querent to stop, it is possible to resume progress later" which I took as, "put the deck down, stop asking it questions", so I stopped. Two days ago, eventually the same thing happened. Yesterday, same thing. Today, even though it again gave me the 9 of wands, telling me put the deck down and stop asking questions, I started being very inquisitive as to why it seemed to be repeating this 9 of wands telling me to stop using it. So I then began asking a bunch of yes/no questions trying to ascertain what the reason could be for it. "Am I asking the wrong questions?" "No" "Am I asking too many similar questions" "No" "Am I just asking too many questions in general?" "No". I then asked, "Could it potentially cause harm to me to continue asking so many questions? "Yes". Then I asked it "Can you lead me in the direction I need to know to understand how what I am doing could cause harm to me?" I then pulled 7 cards. 6 were major arcanas all upside down. I have never pulled that many majors in a 7 card spread, I think the most I had ever pulled was 2--AND ALL UPSIDE DOWN! I even pulled the devil card which I've never pulled before. Sorry forgive me that I am not at all experienced in understanding the nuances of how tarot works. I don't remember the specifics of this reading but essentially every card in it was VERY negative. Most of the times I would pull 7 cards it would generally be upbeat/positive and point out where I need to place my focus. I then put the deck down and went for like a 3 hour walk with the dog.I came back in, and as I was walking I was thinking of all these things I wanted to ask it. I started asking yes/no questions again, getting what to me appeared to be reasonable answers, then on the 4th or 5th one I asked, the fire alarm in the building went off. Keep in mind I have believed it had been telling me for 3 days at this point to put the deck down. The fire alarm went off for like 20-30 minutes. I came back inside and had to ask it one more question. "Did I just cause that?""Yes". Curious if anyone has had any types of experiences at all like that, what you may think of it, and if anyone might have any advice for me? Edited January 27, 2023 by stephanelli Merging multiple posts together for ease of reading.
stephanelli Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 Hello @fastbreak10 I have moved this topic to Tarot Talk where it is a better fit for this discussion and unlocked it. Please also see the PM that I will send you shortly. To start this discussion on the correct footing, please can everyone avoid interpreting the readings as this discussion is looking at people's experiences with tarot rather than the exact readings. Thanks! Stephanelli
Raggydoll Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 Okay, seeing that you asked for advice. Well, I think yes/no readings need a solid strategy, and by that I mean something that is decided beforehand and then assessed properly for accuracy. Just googling each card and then deciding if it’s a yes or no is not something I’d recommend. As for your other questions… I seem to remember that me and a friend asked a lot of questions to a ouija board and we believed very spooky things happened in relation to those readings. We were 13 or 14 years old at the time, and very curious about all things supernatural. For me, that was a phase and it didn’t last long. But what you’re describing.. no, not something I relate to. Your last question, what I think of the whole thing? Well, you told us that you have very specialized knowledge about the truth of this realm. I don’t know what type of beliefs or practices that entail, so I wonder if my thoughts will be relevant to you. But still, you asked and I will answer you truthfully. My initial thought is that your lack of experience and knowledge about tarot is giving you a twisted and exaggerated view of the situation. I also think you could possibly benefit from practicing different shuffling techniques. Since you use reversals, it’s good to have a shuffling strategy for that.
gregory Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 29 minutes ago, Raggydoll said: Okay, seeing that you asked for advice. Well, I think yes/no readings need a solid strategy, and by that I mean something that is decided beforehand and then assessed properly for accuracy. Just googling each card and then deciding if it’s a yes or no is not something I’d recommend. In fact, yes/no questions aren't the best use for tarot cards. You'd do better to flip a coin. Seriously. 29 minutes ago, Raggydoll said: Your last question, what I think of the whole thing? Well, you told us that you have very specialized knowledge about the truth of this realm. I don’t know what type of beliefs or practices that entail, so I wonder if my thoughts will be relevant to you. But still, you asked and I will answer you truthfully. My initial thought is that your lack of experience and knowledge about tarot is giving you a twisted and exaggerated view of the situation. This too - I will never forget the first reading I ever did - which wasn't as random as your googling (which will never work - there are so MANY different versions of everything on the web) - we crawled around the floor looking up the meaning in a book; my sitter left in floods of tears because she felt it was spot on - but really, it wasn't in any way valid and I left them severely alone for 30 years, until I had an idea what I was doing. Stop messing, start learning. You asked for advice - that's mine. And for the record - on just one page of googling the meaning of 9 wands: The Nine of Wands can warn of an old wound that needs healing Nine of Wands as Advice. Whatever you are doing, keep going, but be cautious You have done everything you can to bring a situation to a successful conclusion. The Nine of Wands implies the need to fight for yourself. You have been hurt in the past The Nine of Wands signifies strength and resilience in challenging times Try to stand the other person's point of view, and if you still feel uneasy about the situation, take a short break to recoup Finally, the advice of the Nine of Wands is to establish your boundaries and fiercely protect those lines Prepare now for the current turmoil to turn into a struggle. How is this going to get you anywhere ?
Misterei Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 9 hours ago, Raggydoll said: ... lack of experience and knowledge about tarot is giving you a twisted and exaggerated view of the situation. Tarot is like anything else. Helps to learn a bit about it before jumping in. This isn't popular to say now-a-days in the current cultre of "everyone and anyone can read tarot with zero effort or study" ... but if you want to take up skiing ... you don't start on the olympic downhill slolom. You maybe take a few lessons from the ski school and start on the beginner's hill which isn't too steep. 8 hours ago, gregory said: In fact, yes/no questions aren't the best use for tarot cards. You'd do better to flip a coin. I actually DO use Tarot for yes/no ... but I don't recommend any tarot reading with no study or preparation. So, yes. With zero study or knowledge? Flipping a coin is better. OTOH ... I do yes/no all the time. But ahem ... 44 years experience };> 8 hours ago, gregory said: ... googling (which will never work - there are so MANY different versions of everything on the web ... No only that ... but these days many voices who are good at social media and SUCK at Tarot get elevated and amplified. NOT b/c they know Tarot. B/c they know social media. Buy a good book. Or on-line course. And I say BUY. Because the "free resources" are ALWAYS trying to sell you something in the end. At least if you've bought the book ... no one is trying to "sell" you anything else.
Grandma Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 12 hours ago, gregory said: In fact, yes/no questions aren't the best use for tarot cards. You'd do better to flip a coin. Seriously. This method works pretty well too.
fastbreak10 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, gregory said: In fact, yes/no questions aren't the best use for tarot cards. You'd do better to flip a coin. Seriously. This too - I will never forget the first reading I ever did - which wasn't as random as your googling (which will never work - there are so MANY different versions of everything on the web) - we crawled around the floor looking up the meaning in a book; my sitter left in floods of tears because she felt it was spot on - but really, it wasn't in any way valid and I left them severely alone for 30 years, until I had an idea what I was doing. Stop messing, start learning. You asked for advice - that's mine. And for the record - on just one page of googling the meaning of 9 wands: The Nine of Wands can warn of an old wound that needs healing Nine of Wands as Advice. Whatever you are doing, keep going, but be cautious You have done everything you can to bring a situation to a successful conclusion. The Nine of Wands implies the need to fight for yourself. You have been hurt in the past The Nine of Wands signifies strength and resilience in challenging times Try to stand the other person's point of view, and if you still feel uneasy about the situation, take a short break to recoup Finally, the advice of the Nine of Wands is to establish your boundaries and fiercely protect those lines Prepare now for the current turmoil to turn into a struggle. How is this going to get you anywhere ? I get what you mean. But from what I've read about tarot, it is mostly up to the interpretation of the reader. If it stuck with me that the 9 of wands is telling me, "Difficulties and opposition force the querent to stop and resume at a later time", then that is what that card means to me. I also am of the mind that whatever link I happen to click when I'm searching for an answer to the card is more likely than not the one I was meant to see. I actually think this could end up giving me a broader range of potential resolutions for a particular meaning the collective consciousness is attempting to push me towards. I don't know that I am speaking specifically to you with this next statement, and please don't take this as any kind of attack as it is not meant to be. I have strong reason to believe something which is in opposition to advice written in the MdT CBD book, essentially that the tarot is just a tool, and the tarot itself is not special in any way--the book says everything in a reading is a sign, my understanding is, everything that happens in life is a sign--there is nothing special about the tarot itself. It is the collective consciousness that provides the answers, the tarot deck is just some print on plastic cards. The collective consciousness is what is directing us towards the answers we are looking for. So by that understanding, I just don't see a correlation to needing to be super specific with what any one card definitively means and that there are different contextual issues that come into play in any given reading under any given circumstances at any particular time in the querent's understanding around the issue at hand. However, as I stated originally, I have little to no experience with tarot, this is my understanding based on the "specialized knowledge" I was alluding to prior. If you disagree I'd love to hear the explanation as I'm always looking to learn. Edited January 28, 2023 by fastbreak10
fastbreak10 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Posted January 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Misterei said: Tarot is like anything else. Helps to learn a bit about it before jumping in. This isn't popular to say now-a-days in the current cultre of "everyone and anyone can read tarot with zero effort or study" ... but if you want to take up skiing ... you don't start on the olympic downhill slolom. You maybe take a few lessons from the ski school and start on the beginner's hill which isn't too steep. I actually DO use Tarot for yes/no ... but I don't recommend any tarot reading with no study or preparation. So, yes. With zero study or knowledge? Flipping a coin is better. OTOH ... I do yes/no all the time. But ahem ... 44 years experience };> No only that ... but these days many voices who are good at social media and SUCK at Tarot get elevated and amplified. NOT b/c they know Tarot. B/c they know social media. Buy a good book. Or on-line course. And I say BUY. Because the "free resources" are ALWAYS trying to sell you something in the end. At least if you've bought the book ... no one is trying to "sell" you anything else. I do have the MdT CBD book here, but would you recommend any courses or books in particular?
fastbreak10 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Posted January 28, 2023 13 hours ago, Raggydoll said: Okay, seeing that you asked for advice. Well, I think yes/no readings need a solid strategy, and by that I mean something that is decided beforehand and then assessed properly for accuracy. Just googling each card and then deciding if it’s a yes or no is not something I’d recommend. As for your other questions… I seem to remember that me and a friend asked a lot of questions to a ouija board and we believed very spooky things happened in relation to those readings. We were 13 or 14 years old at the time, and very curious about all things supernatural. For me, that was a phase and it didn’t last long. But what you’re describing.. no, not something I relate to. Your last question, what I think of the whole thing? Well, you told us that you have very specialized knowledge about the truth of this realm. I don’t know what type of beliefs or practices that entail, so I wonder if my thoughts will be relevant to you. But still, you asked and I will answer you truthfully. My initial thought is that your lack of experience and knowledge about tarot is giving you a twisted and exaggerated view of the situation. I also think you could possibly benefit from practicing different shuffling techniques. Since you use reversals, it’s good to have a shuffling strategy for that. Thank you! I appreciate your advice. I understand your thinking something spooky could be going on with the ouiji board. I have never tried one so I couldn't speak to it, but there certainly are magical things happening here on Earth. I used to be of this same perspective that you have here. The truth of the matter is, we are far more tapped into these energy sources when we are younger. The culture conditions us away from them, subliminally suggesting and imprinting on our subconsciousness that people who believe in these kind of "mystical" things are kooks. I absolutely get it. I used to think anyone who thought tarot could tell them anything legitimate was an idiot! Now I think I was the idiot, hah. Personally, I find it hard to understand someone can both think that the answers they are receiving to their questions are insightful and legitimate and also that they are picking the cards at random. How could you get legitimate advice by picking cards at random unless, either, the cards you're choosing are choosing you, or the fronts of the cards are changing as you pick them up before you turn them over? Only on very rare circumstances have I ever pulled cards and the meaning that appeared was non-sensical. Even given very different questions, I'd say 95% of the time the answers are very on point and insightful. How can that even happen 10% of the time if you are literally picking cards at random? Coming from a professional gambler who has dealt with probabilities my entire adult life, I can tell you it just wouldn't be possible.
Misterei Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 @fastbreak10 The book by Ben Dov on TdM is excellent. Sounds like you already have it? If not, it can be had for under $10 as a kindle book. Also used copies usually pretty cheap on Amazon. For RWS ... and general Tarot ... There are now SO MANY books out there ... I'm going to go back to the OG mother of modern Tarot, Eden Gray. Her book Tarot Revealed also can be found used for cheap. It's dated. It has its limitations. It's also a classic and pretty much every book that came after is based on hers. I also found a decent video course on Udemy for $14 on sale. Be careful on Udemy, though, some of the courses are nonsense with unqualified teachers. You can watch previews to see if they resonate. The ratings can be gamed, so don't necessarily trust ratings (i.e crap course obvi got 2 friends to give 5-star ratings, etc. etc.). I have a course but its pretty specialized, so may or may not be your cup of tea. Links are in my signature line. Which hopefully I'm not violating any rules by saying that ...?
fastbreak10 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Misterei said: @fastbreak10 The book by Ben Dov on TdM is excellent. Sounds like you already have it? If not, it can be had for under $10 as a kindle book. Also used copies usually pretty cheap on Amazon. For RWS ... and general Tarot ... There are now SO MANY books out there ... I'm going to go back to the OG mother of modern Tarot, Eden Gray. Her book Tarot Revealed also can be found used for cheap. It's dated. It has its limitations. It's also a classic and pretty much every book that came after is based on hers. I also found a decent video course on Udemy for $14 on sale. Be careful on Udemy, though, some of the courses are nonsense with unqualified teachers. You can watch previews to see if they resonate. The ratings can be gamed, so don't necessarily trust ratings (i.e crap course obvi got 2 friends to give 5-star ratings, etc. etc.). I have a course but its pretty specialized, so may or may not be your cup of tea. Links are in my signature line. Which hopefully I'm not violating any rules by saying that ...? Awesome, thank you! Yes I have the Ben-Dov Mersailles deck/book. I will try your course. Better to be getting information from someone I am able to come here and directly ask questions. I am super super inquisitive about everything and really love to learn. I've felt the tarot has been trying to tell me I have to fight those urges though and be okay with not knowing everything, which is soul crushing to me. lol.
Misterei Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 15 minutes ago, fastbreak10 said: ... there certainly are magical things happening here on Earth ... I used to think anyone who thought tarot could tell them anything legitimate was an idiot! Now I think I was the idiot, hah ... ...Coming from a professional gambler who has dealt with probabilities my entire adult life, I can tell you it just wouldn't be possible. @fastbreak10 Actually a solid understanding of the relationship between games of chance and fortune telling is a REALLY good way to understand cartomancy and Tarot. Even gaming dice (originally made from bones) arose from the ritual shamanistic practice of "throwing bones" to tell fortunes. A solid understanding of odds and probabilities is EXACTLY how Tarot cards work imo. Many tarot folk love intuition and hate statistics/probability. I find I use both to read. 1 minute ago, fastbreak10 said: Awesome, thank you! Yes I have the Ben-Dov Mersailles deck/book. For TdM you can't go wrong with Ben-Dov. But please IGNORE anything he writes about RWS. He doesn't know that system. Hence ... Eden Gray Tarot Revealed for the basics of RWS.
fastbreak10 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Posted January 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, Misterei said: @fastbreak10 Actually a solid understanding of the relationship between games of chance and fortune telling is a REALLY good way to understand cartomancy and Tarot. Even gaming dice (originally made from bones) arose from the ritual shamanistic practice of "throwing bones" to tell fortunes. A solid understanding of odds and probabilities is EXACTLY how Tarot cards work imo. Many tarot folk love intuition and hate statistics/probability. I find I use both to read. For TdM you can't go wrong with Ben-Dov. But please IGNORE anything he writes about RWS. He doesn't know that system. Hence ... Eden Gray Tarot Revealed for the basics of RWS. Interesting and well-balanced take. I took the path probably very very few have taken to come to my understanding of the nature of reality. I am very big on science. And unless I have had a specific experience that suggests otherwise from the hard facts, I will always only believe the hard facts produced through legitimate science. Science actually led me to the tarot. There is even a science to intuition as well. As you said, these things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive which is why I resonate with what you are saying. The science, along with my own experiences suggest to me it is more than just statistics/probability, and that things here can change moment by moment. I also have this understanding that, how you believe things work, is how they work for you. I'm so sorry if this comes off like I'm a know-it-all as I am certain you have a far greater understanding of the intricacies of the tarot than I do. This is just my opinion. Personally, I feel like justifying that it works by way of statistics may limit the potential for depth in the answers you receive. I certainly could be way off on this, but, I just know there exists quite a bit of science backing up the fact that what you believe has an effect on your reality and how life transpires for you. My take is, if you're believing it is a statistical thing, that in order to satisfy that belief, you're only going to get approximations in your answers, because if it's too specific, it wouldn't match that belief that your answers are coming by way of probabilities, which means if the answers are too frequently too specific, it's not possible to occur through probabilities--it wouldn't satisfy that belief. If it's not a hard and steadfast belief though, then I suppose there may not be a problem. As weird as this sounds, it seems to be the case that what is true for you in your reality may not necessarily true for me in mine. Consider how we have so many people in this realm who all have these vastly different views on reality and truth. It's almost like an objective truth isn't even ascertainable. You seem like a very interesting person to have a discussion with and I'll look forward to checking out your course.
Misterei Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, fastbreak10 said: Personally, I feel like justifying that it works by way of statistics may limit the potential for depth in the answers you receive. Not sure what you mean here? For me, cards get my attention by defying probability. II don't see any limitation in that ... but I suspect we're talking about differnt things(?) A la Pythagoras ... numbers ARE sacred and mystical to me. They speak a beautiful language all their own. Dusty White was the first Tarot writer I read who talked about probability in Tarot. He has somewhat a bad reputation amongst some of the Tarot crowd ... but I always liked Joan Jett's Bad Reputation song ... and I like Dusty White. He wrote an average 10-card spread will have 2-3 Majors in it. This crystallized something in my own Tarot practice by quantifying something I'd done intuitively for years. Some historians make much of the fact that Tarocchi was a gaming deck ... and never originally used for fortune telling. Too which I say: Bollocks. Games of chance have always been linked with divination.
Grandma Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, fastbreak10 said: Personally, I feel like justifying that it works by way of statistics may limit the potential for depth in the answers you receive. Disclaimer: Okay, this discussion is way above my pay grade unless/until I start actually sleeping. Nonetheless... ...I believe that the only limit on the potential for depth in the answers we receive is the skill of the reader. It doesn't matter if a certain card turns up in a statistically expected position at a statistically valid time. That would be true if only one card could deliver one certain message, but Tarot doesn't work that way. The language of Tarot is as intricate as the languages that all of us speak. (Second disclaimer: I am not a linguist but you get what I mean.) If Spirit has a message for us through the cards, or if mathematics dictates what cards we will draw, or to whatever extent these two things are different or the same, a skillful reader will read the same message. (This is not to say that all readers will read the same cards the same way. That's a whole other discussion and the answer is no.)
fastbreak10 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Posted January 28, 2023 36 minutes ago, Misterei said: Not sure what you mean here? For me, cards get my attention by defying probability. II don't see any limitation in that ... but I suspect we're talking about differnt things(?) A la Pythagoras ... numbers ARE sacred and mystical to me. They speak a beautiful language all their own. We are saying the same thing. You originally said they work via probabilities. But here you're saying they defy the probabilities, which is what my original point was, so we agree. But there could be a level to what you said here that I'm also completely missing, that it is also working by way of probabilities. And Grandma brought up a good point that my scope was limited when making that statement such that the level of knowledge of the reader provides a way greater depth of understanding that shouldn't necessarily be limited by the extent to which you could probabilistically pull certain combinations of cards. Interested if you have any further takes on that though.
fastbreak10 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Grandma said: Disclaimer: Okay, this discussion is way above my pay grade unless/until I start actually sleeping. Nonetheless... ...I believe that the only limit on the potential for depth in the answers we receive is the skill of the reader. It doesn't matter if a certain card turns up in a statistically expected position at a statistically valid time. That would be true if only one card could deliver one certain message, but Tarot doesn't work that way. The language of Tarot is as intricate as the languages that all of us speak. (Second disclaimer: I am not a linguist but you get what I mean.) If Spirit has a message for us through the cards, or if mathematics dictates what cards we will draw, or to whatever extent these two things are different or the same, a skillful reader will read the same message. (This is not to say that all readers will read the same cards the same way. That's a whole other discussion and the answer is no.) As I re-read this, it was really quite a brilliant post. I wanted to ask, do you have any take on my experience in the OP? Have you ever had the cards seeming to warn you about some level of mis-use? Or heard anyone else stating something similar? For it to tell me I caused the fire alarm to go off to keep me away from them seemed quite ominous--I haven't pulled any cards since, and I know it's irrational to fear it but I really need to get a better understanding as to what this potential harm could be. Do I even know for sure it is the case anything I said about that experience was true? Or course not, but I only have what happened and what the cards told me to go off. Could there be some validity to it? I have many more thoughts on this but I feel I've already said more than enough crazy things and don't want to get too far off the rails and begin losing people. Edited January 28, 2023 by fastbreak10
Grandma Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) Holy Moly @fastbreak10. I want to respond to several specifics. Instead of inserting quote after quote, I am going to copy and paste your post and add my comments directly into its body in bold font. This will be more efficient for me to write and for others to read, as well as being, in my eyes at least, more aesthetically pleasing. Here we go! Dear readers, the following is fastbreak10's post in response to my post, to which I am now posting a response - hee hee I amuse myself. As I re-read this, it was really quite a brilliant post. For real? I honestly couldn't tell if was brilliant or incoherent, that's how tired my old brain is. I am thrilled that you marked it so high. I wanted to ask, do you have any take on my experience in the OP? No, but I ask very different questions than you. I don't think I could evaluate it fairly. For it to tell me I caused the fire alarm to go off to keep me away from them seemed quite ominous a perfect example of a question I would never ask--I haven't pulled any cards since, and I know it's irrational to fear it but I really need to get a better understanding as to what this potential harm could be. Trying to understand what potential harm could be, presupposes that there is actually potential harm. You are about to indicates that you don't know if that is true. Do I even know for sure it is the case anything I said about that experience was true? See what I mean? Or course not, but I only have what happened and what the cards told me to go off. You might consider asking different questions. Yes-or-no is a complex issue. Some readers read for the answer but it takes years of practice, some use a system where certain predetermined cards mean yes and certain others mean no. A lot of readers don't do yes or no questions at all. (Grandma raises her hand.) And why even ask them? Few questions of import can be answered with a yes or a no. More nuanced questions will yield more realistic information. And with questions where a simple yes or no will suffice, there's that old coin toss and Magic8 ball. Could there be some validity to it? To what exactly? Your experience, theory, interpretation? I am confused, but I confuse easily so it's probably me, not you. I have many more thoughts on this but I feel I've already said more than enough crazy things and don't want to get too far off the rails and begin losing people. Be wherever you are. It's counterproductive to try to be otherwise. Otherwheres? The people who are in the same place will by definition be with you. Five closing thoughts - 1) If you would like to discuss different types of questions, I'm your gal. 2) I consider Tarot cards a tool as you do - way back in the thread - but not "just" a tool. It is the instrument of my art. 3) If you would like to talk more about this, ditto item 1. 4) Where were you in the glory days of the Philosophize with Aldor44 and Grandma thread???!!! Good times... 5) "probabilistically" is now officially one of my favorite words ever. I took statistics twice. I barely passed way back in the undergrad days but I got an A in midlife crisis graduate school. It seems improbable that I never came across the word probabilistically. Well I've always been an outlier. Edited January 28, 2023 by Grandma
fastbreak10 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Posted January 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, Grandma said: I went and checked out the first two and a half pages of the "philosophize" thread. I have some information for you, Grandma, that is either going to be slightly disconcerting or interesting. One piece of knowledge I have that the vast majority are unaware of, is that about half the people walking around the Earth think they are the wrong astrological sign. The reason for this is because mainstream astrology does not account for the actual size of each constellation in the sky. It just divides each sign into 12 equidistant points. It's not accounting for the sizes of the different constellations. For example, some constellations like Virgo are huge and span significantly more distance in the visible sky than a tiny constellation, (and one that mainstream for some reason doesn't even account for) like Ophicius. Now, March 11th does fall into the Pisces sign, but the true Pisces sign actually begins on March 10th. So because the 11th falls within 3 days of the switch from Aquarius to Pisces, you are actually on the cusp of the two. The more accurate type of astrology is called "Sidereal Astrology", it takes into account the actual visible sky which mainstream fails to account for. If anyone else reading this is interested to know their true sign, you can find that information here ... https://masteringthezodiac.com/sidereal-astrology-dates Everything the mainstream gives us is a farse. We have been lied to about so many things, the fact of the matter is, almost nothing we were taught in school was actually true, and our perspectives on historical events are drastically different than how they occurred in actuality. This is a little smidge of the "specialized knowledge" I was talking about in the OP. I have so much of this, and what's true is so drastically different than most people's perspective that the cognitive dissonance becomes so great the average person is unable to accept how wrong they have it. You asked what I was doing in 2018. I was making fun of Kyrie Irving for telling people the Earth was flat, and I was completely caught up in all the mainstream BS and lies. I was in many ways a completely different person than I am today. And perusing that thread, you guys were so far ahead of me when it came to my understanding of the world and the way things work. So much has changed since 2018. We have such a greater understanding now. I am sure the thing that pops into your mind is, "well who are you what makes you think you know so much more than everybody else?". It's a long story. The very short end of it is, I was chronically sick for 4.5 years from 2018-2022. Spent mid 5 figures on doctors trying to fix it, none could figure out what was wrong with me. I decided I had to take it into my own hands and figure it out myself. I had so much time on my hands and little strength to get out of bed for long, I spent the time researching. I researched A LOT. Eventually I figured out how to cure myself, which a big part of that was discovering all the lies surrounding the medical/pharmaceutical industry and about how disease actually works (doctors have it very wrong). After discovering those lies, I thought, what else could they be lying to us about? So I started delving into all these other conspiracies I never had the time to deep-dive before being sick. Found truth in almost every single one of them. Once I realized our spiritual nature, I started having all of these weird things and events happen in my life that couldn't be explained by my old perspective, so I have been continuing this path since that spiritual awakening back about 18 months ago. Right now it has led me towards the tarot and taoism (energy/breath work) which is what I'm focusing on now. About that thread. From my vantagepoint (which very well may be different from yours, and both could potentially be true in each of our own experiences of reality), those ideas were advanced for 2018 but I feel that we have discovered enough to know now that the cards themselves aren't intrinsically special. We have a woman on youtube who has made videos showing how she does tarot readings with a normal deck of cards. How is that possible if it's specifically the tarot deck that has some kind of specialized energy? There are spiritual meanings behind all events that occur. It seems to me that it is our primary purpose here, to advance spiritually. The more straight and narrow we walk our spiritual path, the easier our life is and the more opportunities, happiness and love will fall into our laps. The further we fight it and the more choices we make that do not further our spiritual journey, the more pain heartache and suffering we will endure. I can attest to the fact that for me to get to that place of having that spiritual awakening, I had to be in a situation where I felt I was at absolute rock bottom. I had a very traumatic experience happen that I'd rather not get into, but the point of bringing it up is, it took me having that feeling of things not being able to get any worse in order to get me to question reality and life, and is what moved me towards that awakening. I would even suggest that, if there was no suffering, and people just lived ho-hum average types of lives, never too up never too down, that those people are never going to question their reality or their lives and come to the realizations that I did. I certainly would have never found it had that awful experience not happened to me. So where I'm at is, everything is a sign. All pointing us towards our goal of aligning with our spiritual path. And the answers in the tarot are given to us via the collective consciousness (which it's existence is not really even up for debate as it has been confirmed to exist even by mainstream science.) A lot of the questions I had been asking the tarot were in relation to the collective consciousness, and about my biggest questions of the most perplexing conspiracies that have been uncovered over the last couple of years. There are so many conspiracies and so much truth to them, it is like the reality is a conspiracy generating machine. Like it is a feature of it. And they seem to go so deep, it's like, the more we look into them, they are like a bottomless pit. Every time we figure out an answer to one question, it only begs more questions. These are the types of questions I was asking. the tarot. This part is just my speculation and what I was talking about when I didn't want to get "too far off the rails": It's almost like, the more we discover, the more our reality shifts to account for it and keep us from understanding the full picture. Like we are not supposed to know these things, and I thought maybe that is what the tarot was warning me about. It almost seemed as if it could be harmful to discover more truth because my reality could potentially shift into something even weirder than it's become the last few years. I get how crazy that sounds, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm just explaining my perspective that has been cultivated from an inordinate amount of time spent researching and thinking critically trying to put the pieces together.
Mister Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 Welcome to the forum, @fastbreak10 If I may? I would opt for a fresh start, for this is the beginning of your cartomantic journey. Whatever it is what was before that, concerning said topic, it is merely what led you towards picking up a pack of cards in order to read it. Despite strongly favouring the TdM-style, when reading through your posts, the 9 of wands from the RWS comes to mind: A dude with a bunch of sticks on his back which are unorderly flailing around, hindering that man in his progress, possibly causing harm (to him and/or others). He is so focused on his trail that he seems to miss the notion of settling down for the brief moment which is needed to re-arrange the bundle of sticks he picked up into something wherewith he can proceed nicely.
gregory Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, fastbreak10 said: I get what you mean. But from what I've read about tarot, it is mostly up to the interpretation of the reader. If it stuck with me that the 9 of wands is telling me, "Difficulties and opposition force the querent to stop and resume at a later time", then that is what that card means to me. And how is googling going to get you the "right" one. It needs to come from YOU. 9 hours ago, fastbreak10 said: I do have the MdT CBD book here, but would you recommend any courses or books in particular? I would suggest - if you are REALLY serious - Jean-Michel David's book, Reading the Marseille Tarot. It's a course in itself. Edited January 28, 2023 by gregory
BradGad Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) Yeah, J-M David’s book is fantastic (I say that even though I’m only about 1/5th through it). So many insights and historical points that I haven’t seen anywhere else. It’s a big book: David presents it as a 30-week course. You can get the PDF version from lulu.com. Danged if I can find the link right now, but I know you can because I did that a few weeks ago. Also, you can read the PDF in a web browser here: https://archive.org/details/reading-the-marseille-tarot/page/n79/mode/2up?view=theater I didn’t know about the PDF at first, and spent the big bucks on a hard copy version from Amazon. It’s nice to have the hard copy — it’s the kind of book you want to make notes in, paste stickies, etc. — but, one big problem: it’s on a non-glossy paper that feels wonderful but makes the grayscale images next to useless. In my Amazon review, at one point I said, “There's a really great picture of a large rectangle of dark grey in which some human-like figures can almost be discerned on p. 287. No idea what I'm looking at.” The images in the PDF are crisp and full-color. I’ll also note that the coverage of the pips and courts is cursory: the book is almost entirely about the majors. I need to get back to that book. I was making steady progress but then got side-tracked into a couple other books. Edited January 28, 2023 by BradGad
gregory Posted January 28, 2023 Posted January 28, 2023 JMD's book: https://www.lulu.com/shop/jean-michel-david/reading-the-marseille-tarot/paperback/product-1ngmrvm.html?
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