Predicting future in relationships

[Chabendis]

Hi all,

 

after a breakup I received a reading which encouraged me to move on. The reader told me that it (our relationship) could not work which indeed is the case at this point, and I have been moving forward.

 

However, I found myself thinking that how much if at all can the tarot cards predict the future. "Could not work" are words that have been teasing me a bit, since who knows about the future?

 

Sometimes, maybe there is a soul contract of only having a short relationship and then moving on? Or, maybe one can see that if things didn't work out the first time, a second chance is very unlikely. But even then, I wonder how much the cards can really predict (or if anybody can) more than the near future only.

 

I don't like the idea of predicting really but on the other hand, seeing the current situation often times includes the prediction, especially in short-term. Still, in the future I'd prefer to ask questions such as "what should I put my attention to" instead of asking about the future because it feels just giving up my own power to affect my life.

 

I'm also a bit sad because now I believe that me and my ex are doomed to never get together anymore which is different from agreeing that we simply are not together and that there are no signs for it to happen.

 

How do you view the predicting from tarot?

 

[DanielJUK]

Sorry it didn't work out between you both 😞

This is a complicated subject and I think every person has a different opinion on it. It's a philosophical question and we don't know the truth. This is about free will or fate and destiny.

Some tarot readers don't read on the future or predict things, they only work on the present or use it for self-help / analysis. I think prediction and looking at the future or how things turn out is a part of divination. But it's easier to read on things which are not predicting the future, you don't know if it's accurate and the further you go in the future the least accurate it is.

 

My personal view (which does change) is I don't really like an absolutist view, something will never work out or negative readings trap people, readings should give people options and clarity! Everything is changeable, we have options. We might read and see that things are not going to go well for a relationship in future but this is a warning, the people involved can change that outcome. Sometimes they can take action, sometimes it's going to end. Maybe the next relationship is the one for life, so maybe it needed to end. My view is always that we have free will and we can change what comes up in readings but also my view is that we have fate or destiny in our lives. I think we are on a path with the people we meet, career choices, what happens and we can take different paths off that and make decisions at forks. That is freewill but ultimately the fate gently moves us to going ahead. It's like sliding doors, in the end you are at the same destiny but you might take this train and end up here, instead of missing that train and taking the next one and this happens in your life.

 

I think also we shouldn't ask about everything, we feel emotionally connected to finding out about our love relationship, is this for life or a week? It's anxiety and feeling insecure but sometimes you have to let things just happen. But maybe some things we should not ask about. People always ask about relationships though when they have a feeling it's not going to work out. Like often people read on if their partner is cheating but that usually shows they have suspicions or don't trust them in the first place. The tarot doesn't always tell us what we want to hear, it tells us what we need to know, if we read on our relationship or future, we might not like what we hear. But we can then try and change that outcome, it really is possible 🙂 . I just worry that a reader or someone doing a reading for themselves says there is no future here and that then makes it turn out that way 😞.

 

Readings give us one possible future 🙂

[Arania]

Could not work does not mean will never work. It is something in the past, and in the present. But if you ask the questions in the right way, as in "will we ever be together again?" and the answer is a clear negative, the next question should be why this is the case. Things are usually much clearer then, and if there is anything to be done about it at all and you really want to cling to the old connection, you then have an idea what to work on.

 

You can predict such things, because the cards just show as it is, and extrapolate the development from there - as with every question. Anytime something changes because you want to avoid a specific outcome, those predictions will likely change, too.

[FindYourSovereignty]

2 hours ago, DanielJUK said:

I just worry that a reader or someone doing a reading for themselves says there is no future here and that then makes it turn out that way 😞.

This is the area I feel is so important. If I decide today is going to be a bad day, it usually is. If I decide it could be a bad day, then I have a fair chance of it turning out going in the opposite direction because with my awareness I can recognize my options and choose wisely.

 

[DanielJUK]

It really can become a self-fulfilling prophecy 😢

[FindYourSovereignty]

2 minutes ago, DanielJUK said:

It really can become a self-fulfilling prophecy 😢

Exactly! 

[Chabendis]

Thank you from sharing your views on this topic, I appreciate it.

 

Feels like sometimes you can know something about your future - your destiny, what ever - already, while simultaneously there is free will and a possibility to change the outcomes. So it's kinda both up to you and not. 😜 Or, there is destiny, but the destiny is also accountable via communicative interaction with it and thus resulting in possible change.

 

This topic also reminds me how important it is to ask the right question, to be mindful with it. Otherwise you could end up hearing things you didn't want to hear possibly leading to outcomes that could have been avoided.

[Arianalit]

I always say that the future is not set in stone, and with tarot cards, we can only catch a glimpse of it. The cards reveal the likely outcome if a person continues their current path. If they don't like the outcome, it serves as a valuable warning, allowing them to change their actions for a more favorable result. I never speak with absolute certainty. However, it doesn't always pan out as planned. There have been situations in my life where I saw warnings of a possible outcome but couldn't prevent it.

On the flip side, when people inquire about something significant, they hope the tarot reader will reassure them that their fears are baseless and that only success, love, and wealth await them in the future. Many are not prepared to hear about a potential negative outcome.

[Misterei]

9 hours ago, Arianalit said:

I always say that the future is not set in stone, and with tarot cards, we can only catch a glimpse of it. The cards reveal the likely outcome if a person continues their current path. If they don't like the outcome, it serves as a valuable warning, ...

... when people inquire about something significant, they hope the tarot reader will reassure them that their fears are baseless and that only success, love, and wealth await them in the future. Many are not prepared to hear about a potential negative outcome.

This.

I also see Tarot as showing different types of karma [in the hands of a skilled reader]

Some karma *is* set in stone. Where you're born. Your parents. Other things, too.

It's become fashionable to speak of "soul contracts" but this strikes me as a fancy way of saying "Fixed Karma" or "fate".

Some karma is possible to change but difficult. This is probably most things in life.

If bad relationship karma were easy to overcome ... most ppl would be in happy relationships.

Some karma is easy to change.

I can decide to have a good day in spite of my cat dragging in a bloody rat all over the freshly mopped floor [or whatever].

 

I find Tarot can help me understand which is which and deal with it accordingly.

[Natural Mystic Guide]

5 hours ago, Misterei said:

It's become fashionable to speak of "soul contracts" but this strikes me as a fancy way of saying "Fixed Karma" or "fate".

I'm a Soul Memory Discovery facilitator.  Recently we received a process whereby one can 're-write' their contracts.  Very powerful!

[gregory]

I don't even know what a "soul contract" is.

 

ETA OK I googled and now I don't believe in them anyway,.

 

I just live, being as positive as I can (except when I REALLY can't, which is right now, actually - but unexpected deaths and the fall out do that to you) and consult the cards when I need to - actually I don't read for myself, so rather "ask for a reading when I need one."

 

I would say that it's very hard to predict much about a relationship, given that there is more than one person involved and the only changes you can make are to yourself. But good luck with it.

Edited October 8, 2023 by gregory

[Chariot]

On 10/7/2023 at 10:50 AM, Arania said:

Could not work does not mean will never work. It is something in the past, and in the present. But if you ask the questions in the right way, as in "will we ever be together again?" and the answer is a clear negative, the next question should be why this is the case.

This.  I like this.  Asking 'why' is a good idea in any sort of prediction, I reckon.  Obviously if it's something you can change to alter an 'outcome' you don't like, that's good—if that's what you want.  In any case, you learn something about why this situation is what it is.

However there are people out there—some of us included, I imagine—who tend to 'hear' what they want to hear—not what's actually being tactfully said.  A tarot reader can say, "It's not looking good for this relationship, because....(reasons.)"  But the querent can think, "Oh, but the cards aren't saying it WON'T happen, are they—just that 'it's not looking good.'  But there's always hope if I just hang in there...!"

I think there is more danger in allowing that approach to take hold of the querent, rather than saying, "The cards are giving me an incredibly strong negative here.  I'm afraid what you want to happen with this relationship isn't going to—sorry.  Instead, let's look at what leaving this situation can open up for you in the future."

[Misterei]

16 hours ago, Natural Mystic Guide said:

I'm a Soul Memory Discovery facilitator.  Recently we received a process whereby one can 're-write' their contracts.  Very powerful!

Ah, then soul contracts are different than Fixed Karmas by your definition.

You can't change a fixed karma any more than you can change the time and date of your birth.

To accept Fixed Karmas requires a certain belief structure, too.

One must believe in reincarnation and the idea of samskaras ... so for example a devout Christian isn't going to resonate.
Many Westerners who believe EVERYTHING is under their personal control and free will ... likewise won't resonate.

 

The notion that one may "tear up and "burn" old contracts seems popular in meditations I listen to.

Quite a beautiful, freeing, practice when it comes to negative psychological beliefs I have about myself.

On the other side ... I think there's risk in overestimating what this can do.

No amount of "cancelling contracts" is going to change my fixed karmas.

It may change my psychology how I feel about them, how I deal with them. But the karmas themselves are fixed.

For example someone in a wheelchair who will never walk due to physical damage.

Miracle cures happen ... but 99.99999999% of the time this scenario is a fixed karma.

Edited October 8, 2023 by Misterei

[Laurelverse]

I am a very "nothing is true but everything is possible" kind of person.  When I do readings about relationships and we get beyond the present situation and look towards the future, I tend to phrase it as "unless [relevant detail] changes, the most likely outcome is ... " shows card, begins interpretation. 

[Misterei]

23 hours ago, Laurelverse said:

... When I do readings about relationships and we get beyond the present situation and look towards the future, I tend to phrase it as "unless [relevant detail] changes, the most likely outcome is ... " shows card, begins interpretation. 

Same here. In fact i often say nearly this phrase.

I name it as a semi-fixed karma ... but I don't expect most Americans to accept the term.

OTOH it can sometimes help explain things to a client if they're open to it.

Usually, it takes real effort to change the [relevent detail] ... so things just progress mechanically as they've been going. People can't or won't make the effort.

BUT sometimes people DO change and their karmas [outcomes] change.