Mice + Mountain Conflicting viewpoints

[Misterei]

Most texts give the meaning that Mice + Mountain = long-term anxieties or long-term stress and losses. Sutton says specifically something along the lines of the mice don't eat the mountain to mean that the double-negative of these two cards remains negatiive.

 

Yet Treppner gives this combination as: Obstacles dissolve.

 

I recently had Mice + Mountain appear in a daily draw where it applied to 2 different situations [one financial, one personal].

In the financial situation, the obstacles dissolved.

In the personal, not so much.

 

BOTH were true. Hmmm. I don't know what to make of this.

 

[joy]

That is exactly one of the reasons Andy B did not hand out combos. In my opinion it is best to stick to one teacher otherwise it gets very confusing.

 

Mountain is always a blockage. One that can be circumnavigated, but at a price. I can not see that the droppings of the mice gets lessened because of the mountain.

 

What was the 3rd card?

 

[Misterei]

39 minutes ago, joy said:

That is exactly one of the reasons Andy B did not hand out combos. In my opinion it is best to stick to one teacher otherwise it gets very confusing.

I find the combo texts helpful as a study tool, although I take them with a grain of salt. As far as one teacher, I had to expand a bit. I have 5 trusted sources i consistently use [Andy B book and original PL instructions are 2 of the five].

39 minutes ago, joy said:

... I can not see that the droppings of the mice gets lessened because of the mountain.

I didn't understand this???

 

In a literal take, the Mice eat away [dissolve] the Mountain [block].

In a figurative take, the nagging worries [mice] are blocked [mountain] from a solution, thus become long-term worry or stress.

 

So in a way, the literal meaning is quite different from the figurative.

39 minutes ago, joy said:

What was the 3rd card?

This was for a daily draw posted here with full interpretation. Results / accuracy report are the next post down.

Edited May 8, 2024 by Misterei

[akiva]

Which direction do the Mice face in the deck you use?

 

If the Mountain is behind the Mice I tend to read it as a loss causes an obstacle. But if the Mice face the Mountain it's an obstacle that causes loss. It chips away at us over time.

 

For an obstacle to end I'd probably want to see it in front of Coffin, Scythe or Stork, but I can't remember if I've ever had that in a spread or not to verify it. 

 

Andy says himself on his site that for him Mice can't eat a whole mountain, yet others swear by it. So it's probably something that depends on the individual and how the cards read for them. Totally unhelpful, but it's part of developing our own cartomantic voice I guess! 😅

 

8 minutes ago, Misterei said:

In a figurative take, the nagging worries [mice] are blocked [mountain] from a solution, thus become long-term worry or stress.

For me that would be Mice + Tower (longevity/age) or possibly Anchor (constancy)

[Misterei]

37 minutes ago, akiva said:

Which direction do the Mice face in the deck you use?

LOL both directions. It's an artsy deck.

37 minutes ago, akiva said:

If the Mountain is behind the Mice I tend to read it as a loss causes an obstacle. But if the Mice face the Mountain it's an obstacle that causes loss. It chips away at us over time.

This wasn't a standard line spread. it was my daily triad which is a study spread [if that makes sense]. A pyramid?

Your ideas hit. A loss [mice] caused an obstacle [moutain]. That totally hits  👍🏼

37 minutes ago, akiva said:

Andy says himself on his site that for him Mice can't eat a whole mountain, yet others swear by it. So it's probably something that depends on the individual and how the cards read for them. Totally unhelpful, but it's part of developing our own cartomantic voice I guess! ...

And in this corner, boxing in the red trunks ... we have Andy B. And in the other corner, boxing in blue we have Treppner, WHO will be the victor? 🤣

 

But seriously ... the irony ... the daily draw invoked 2 different situations [financial / personal] and BOTH interpretations manifested in their own way. Treppner's to the financial and Andy B. to the personal. Go figure.

 

Yours applied to both. The lapsing of records [mice] led to a financial block [mountain] with the government agency ... but it dissolved immediately after the phone interview [mice ate the mountain]

 

On the personal topic. The slow erosion of trust [mice] blockaded [mountain] a frindship. The blockade seems there to stay. [mice did NOT eat the mountain]

Edited May 9, 2024 by Misterei

[akiva]

7 hours ago, Misterei said:

LOL both directions. It's an artsy deck.

That's helpful 🤣

 

7 hours ago, Misterei said:

This wasn't a standard line spread. it was my daily triad which is a study spread [if that makes sense]. A pyramid?

Your ideas hit. A loss [mice] caused an obstacle [moutain]. That totally hits  👍🏼

That's with a card pairing with one above, yeah? I'd still read it the same tbh, kind of following the A + B idea

 

7 hours ago, Misterei said:

And in this corner, boxing in the red trunks ... we have Andy B. And in the other corner, boxing in blue we have Treppner, WHO will be the victor? 🤣

 

But seriously ... the irony ... the daily draw invoked 2 different situations [financial / personal] and BOTH interpretations manifested in their own way. Treppner's to the financial and Andy B. to the personal. Go figure.

LOL 

 

The double meanings could be from the fact it's a daily draw and has to apply to a few situations? If it was a line of 3 on your financial situation then you'd know it applies to that. But daily draws are more general and have to fit different themes of the day so that could explain it?

 

7 hours ago, Misterei said:

Yours applied to both. The lapsing of records [mice] led to a financial block [mountain] with the government agency ... but it dissolved immediately after the phone interview [mice ate the mountain]

 

On the personal topic. The slow erosion of trust [mice] blockaded [mountain] a frindship. The blockade seems there to stay. [mice did NOT eat the mountain]

It's quite possible then that Mice does eat the Mountain for you. It's definitely something to keep in mind when you get this combo again. If the Mice eat the Mountain more than once/twice it's a pattern and you can easily say that that's how it reads for you!

[Misterei]

6 hours ago, akiva said:

That's with a card pairing with one above, yeah? I'd still read it the same tbh, kind of following the A + B idea ...

The double meanings could be from the fact it's a daily draw and has to apply to a few situations? I

Yes, my daily can sometimes apply to various situation that will happen for that day [in this case both business and personal meetings scheduled]

I pair all the cards in the study pyramid: A alone as a house, then  A+B, A+C, B+C, It's basically for study and accuracy testing only.

6 hours ago, akiva said:

It's quite possible then that Mice does eat the Mountain for you. It's definitely something to keep in mind when you get this combo again. If the Mice eat the Mountain more than once/twice it's a pattern and you can easily say that that's how it reads for you!

I will observe it in future, but i think Mice do eat Mountain in some cases. In a real spread there would be more cards and a more defined topic which might make it obvious if the Mice eat the Mountain or don't.

[akiva]

19 hours ago, Misterei said:

I will observe it in future, but i think Mice do eat Mountain in some cases. In a real spread there would be more cards and a more defined topic which might make it obvious if the Mice eat the Mountain or don't.

It probably does eat the Mountain for you, logically it makes sense that if the Mice eat what they face then why not an obstacle too?

 

I'll also be making observations when this combo appears for me as it's got me thinking now 😁

[Misterei]

5 hours ago, akiva said:

... I'll also be making observations when this combo appears for me as it's got me thinking now 😁

LOL, Enquiring minds want to know ... full reports please ... DO the mice eat the mountain????

[akiva]

2 hours ago, Misterei said:

LOL, Enquiring minds want to know ... full reports please ... DO the mice eat the mountain????

I'll be sure to let you know! I don't read lenormand as much as I used to, but all this talk about it is making me want to get my decks out again 😁

[Celine]

Facing the same questions regarding Mice. 

Treppner indeed says Mice next to a negative card cancel it out. In her book "Die Sibylle der Salons", she shows an example Tower - Coffin - Mice, and says the Mice take the coffin away, they "solve" it somehow.

Donnaleigh DeLarose on youtube doesn a whole video showing how Stork and Mice following a card affect their meaning. With the example of Fox - Mice, she goes for Fox causing Mice, not Mice lessening the negativity of Fox. Same with Mountain - Mice. 

However Caitlin Matthews on Mice shows the following combinations : Mice - Cross "Severe loss", whereas Cross - Mice "warning of a loss" but also "a burden whittled down", suggesting that Mice can sometimes minimize a negative card...but not necessarily.

 

So it doesn't help. I did like Treppner's interpretation though. I suppose Matthews' view can mean it depends on the context, the sentence. IF Mice is seen as connected to previous card, then yes it minimizes (if negative) otherwise not. But then cards next to each other are always connected, right ? 

 

Duh. COnfusing.