Law of Attraction in Tarot Readings - Do You Use It?

[Deian]

While I do agree that stopping with it is terrible idea, another view to it, however, can see it as introduced to heal the damage of "faith healing". As there people were scammed of a lot of money, then as they didn't get improvement(not more then placebo does, anyway, and no faith playing a role there), there were many suicides all through time and this has been ongoing for a very long time in US, mostly.

 

Here there are nicer changes. The person doesn't have to go through a preacher, they are told they can directly "change" their world. Sure, again, they can't really, not in a good way, anyway, but at least they are just working in their own universe now, doesn't need to reach out to preachers.
And it doesn't cost insane amounts of money.
Overall a good changes.

 

There are always provided ways to get out of it, to a more working thing, be that as the book mentioned before, or following others from The Secret like Joe Vitale that worked with Hew Len in a very good system later on... His view to the Secret at that point, was very much on point, in my humble opinion

Will post a quote from one of his later books, I'm not greatly familiar with the stuff they did after Hew Len, so haven't read it all, but I did remember he made the change from ego/personality based movement to following a path and he does explain it nicely here:

 

Quote

"I was once homeless. Today I’m a best-selling author, Internet
celebrity, and multimillionaire.
What happened to me to create all this success?
Yes, I followed my dreams.
Yes, I took action.
Yes, I was persistent.
Haven’t a lot of other people done those same things and yet not
achieved success?
What’s different?
If you look at the accomplishments I’ve listed with a critical eye,
you might see that none of them were directly created by me. In fact,
what they all have in common is a spirit of Divine planning, with me
a sometimes unwilling participant.
Let me explain this another way: Toward the end of 2006
I taught a seminar called Beyond Manifestation (www.Beyond
Manifestation.com), which is heavily influenced by what I learned
after I discovered the mysterious Hawaiian therapist and his method.
In that event I asked everyone to list all the ways they knew to man-
ifest or attract something in their life. They said things like affirma-
tions, visualizations, intentions, body awareness methods, feeling the
end result, scripting, Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) or tap-
ping, and many, many more. Once the group inventoried every single
way they could come up with to create their own reality, I asked
them if those ways worked all the time, without exception.
Everyone agreed they did not always work.
“Well, why not?” I asked them.
No one could say for sure.
I then hit the group with my observation:
“All of those ways have limitations,” I declared. “They are toys
your mind plays with to keep you thinking you’re in charge. The
truth is, you are not in charge, and the real miracles come when you
let go of the toys and trust in a place inside yourself where there are
zero limits.” - J.V.

So the people from the Secret are not that bad, if we follow along, many of them realize problems there and looked for their own way to solve it. But yes, if we get stuck in it, its not a good place to stop. Yet, same counts for much out there, if one stops there, can't use the "remedies" provided from the process later on.

[Misterei]

On 10/22/2024 at 11:30 PM, Deian said:

So the people from the Secret are not that bad, if we follow along, many of them realize problems there and looked for their own way to solve it. But yes, if we get stuck in it, its not a good place to stop.

Prolly most of the people involved with The Secret felt they are trying to help humanity. Many may be true believers. But as you say. This type of system [LoA, Secret] will always be, at best, incomplete.

 

The quote from Joe Vitale you mention:

<<“All of those ways have limitations,” I declared. “They are toys your mind plays with to keep you thinking you’re in charge. The truth is, you are not in charge, and the real miracles come when you let go of the toys and trust in a place inside yourself where there are zero limits.” - J.V. >>

 

Everything he says is true. But how do average people get to that "place inside yourself where there are zero limits."  ???

 

Most people cant and wont ever get there except for peak moments [if they're lucky].  Getting there for a peak moment can profoundly change your INNER life. But to demonstrably affect your outer life / objective reality? I would think you have to sustain it beyond a few peak moments.

 

Probably his books help many people in small ways. But big ways? Does any homeless person who reads his books also become a millionaire?

 

If JV went from homeless to millionaire, we might see it from his astrological chart more than his philosophy. If asterisms align for money you're going to get that money one way or another. Not saying the aterisms do it *for* us -- but we've all seen people who work hard at a business they love yet never profit. Others follow a similar path and reap great rewards. There's a *luck factor* beyond peak moments in *the zero limits zone*.

Edited October 24, 2024 by Misterei

[Deian]

I don't actually know what he means with zero-limit place, I didn't read the whole book. 😇

I've seen similar stuff in other systems, "sacred space of the heart" and others, but no idea what exactly his approach is.

 

In one of his books at the start he was describing how all the good stuff related to the Secret happened without him wanting it, as the idea that important things often happen without us wanting them, like by a "higher" plan. While back before that he was talking in the LoA material, how we should want stuff and attract it etc. so I thought its good pointer that they are kinda evolving beyond the base idea, just need time.

And I was looking for that, but couldn't find it, yet I saw the one above, so I posted that one, as I think it still circulates around the idea we doesn't always choose the important stuff, often it happens by other laws.

But I like it. If it will work good will depend how he defines that zero-limit thing.

 

It makes sense the end result is somewhere between different factors, astrological, environmental etc.

And I think the idea of "plan"(Divine Plan, Path or whatever we choose to call it...) is very valid.

 

Yet... He mentions that none of the methods work all the time and I do agree, but in many cases some of them fail, others work... So its not like often it happens that nothing works.

 

Anyway, knowing as much working stuff as we can, even if they aren't 100% is approach I personally like. And there is also the idea of Path/Plan that is very important, but they aren't contradicting I guess.

 

[gregory]

1 hour ago, Deian said:

Yet... He mentions that none of the methods work all the time and I do agree, but in many cases some of them fail, others work... So its not like often it happens that nothing works.

 

This applies to every single thing in life. Sometimes it (insert THING of your choice here) works and sometimes it doesn't. Sooner or later something anyone tries will "work". Simply because sooner or later most of us get something right - for ourselves. Most people who offer The Answer are silly at best and fraudulent at worst.

[Deian]

9 hours ago, gregory said:

 

This applies to every single thing in life. Sometimes it (insert THING of your choice here) works and sometimes it doesn't. Sooner or later something anyone tries will "work". Simply because sooner or later most of us get something right - for ourselves. Most people who offer The Answer are silly at best and fraudulent at worst.

 

Every single thing...?!Well, that is a lot of things. But that can't be true, though, can it. Lets say we try to fit an average size tank into an average size glass of water. No matter how much we will try, that will just not work.

 

Oooor... Lets say we try to change a light-bulb by throwing live chickens at it. No matter how soon, or how late, its very unlikely it will work, no matter how long we try.

 

Then if we try, for example to get a sheet of paper wet, by pouring a lot of water on it, no matter how sad and under-performing we may think we are, its difficult to not get that working right away.

 

Some things work. Other things do not.

Sometimes some things need conditions to work.

 

I would expect LoA to work for most people, problem there isn't that it isn't working, though, problem is it comes with overall implications that one would likely not want if they knew, from the start.

[Misterei]

21 hours ago, Deian said:

I don't actually know what he means with zero-limit place, I didn't read the whole book. 😇

I've seen similar stuff in other systems ...

LOL and this brings us to the problem with spiritual books. They are trying to communicate in words ... something which can't be communicated in words. Older religions understood this. The idea that there must be direct transmission from Guru to Student. Or receiving darshan from a saint. In our secular western culture we've even lost the words for this concept. i use Sanskrit terms b/c the closest English offers is *a state of Grace*.

 

Here's the thing, tho. I *have* experienced this *zero limits place inside myself*. So you know it if you feel it. But this happens in peak moments. Like a meditation that goes Really Well. I can't do it on demand. Yet. And I've spoken to many people who have NEVER even had the experience. And many who have. But NONE of us got miraculously wealthy afterwords. 🤣

21 hours ago, Deian said:

It makes sense the end result is somewhere between different factors, astrological, environmental etc.

Exactly.

21 hours ago, Deian said:

He mentions that none of the methods work all the time and I do agree, but in many cases some of them fail, others work... So its not like often it happens that nothing works.

 Everyone wants to sell a book or seminar with THE answer. Which is a unicorn. There is no THE answer. That state of grace is elusive and even unobtainable for most people. And how do we get to that state of Grace? Even for a peak moment?

 

Different ways for different people. Meditation. Ritual magick. Sex. Psychoactive plants. Fear. Need. Love. There is no 100% Grace on Demand at our level. I'm sure some gurus or saints can do it. But not me.

 

LOL if you *have* to read the book -- it means you're not there yet.🤣

Edited October 25, 2024 by Misterei

[Deian]

According to some odd birds out there, this time the transition is suppose to be different. No leading figures on top, no one is redistributing the flow to the "disciples", that is pushed away from the process, need everything shared collectively in the open. As the plans are bigger now... And the other thing was tried and didn't work way too many times.

But there are some tricks to ensure how it goes, as far as I know... So if it goes wrong it resets and does the same again, as much as needed. 3 more times, maybe, 7 passed, for us at least. And that "us" is open to interpretation, as always... ; )

 

Anyway, zero-limit, isn't this alignment , though?We align with the Ionosphere, the Earth logos or whatever we want to call it and we feel our mind flows with the mind of the Planet and everyone in it... We align with the Solar Logos and we may perceive our mind flows in much larger field now, aligning with the influences that people are playing their roles through(planets etc.)
Aligning with more and we expand more.

 

If many of these align at the same time, one may get experience worth experiencing, but the key for me, since a long, long time ago, isn't how to manifest, its what is worth manifesting. As each ego/personality decision followed seems to make everything worse with very few exceptions.

So my current idea is - when the limit is from the limitation of the system, we can manifest. In any other case, manifestation will derail us from the path.
But that is open to testing, time will tell how it will go.

As you mentioned - more to learn, at least for me. Still in the early steps, but I'm happy how it goes, and its not like I can skip them...

 

 

[gregory]

15 hours ago, Deian said:

 

Every single thing...?!Well, that is a lot of things. But that can't be true, though, can it. Lets say we try to fit an average size tank into an average size glass of water. No matter how much we will try, that will just not work.

 

Oooor... Lets say we try to change a light-bulb by throwing live chickens at it. No matter how soon, or how late, its very unlikely it will work, no matter how long we try.

 

Then if we try, for example to get a sheet of paper wet, by pouring a lot of water on it, no matter how sad and under-performing we may think we are, its difficult to not get that working right away.

 

Some things work. Other things do not.

Sometimes some things need conditions to work.

 

Which is all a part of it. LoA won't get the water into the glass either. I think you are missing my point - but there we go. It's life. It happens while you are planning other things.

 

15 hours ago, Deian said:

 

I would expect LoA to work for most people, problem there isn't that it isn't working, though, problem is it comes with overall implications that one would likely not want if they knew, from the start.

 

You can expect all you like. That doesn't make it so.

 

5 hours ago, Misterei said:

Different ways for different people. Meditation. Ritual magick. Sex. Psychoactive plants. Fear. Need. Love. There is no 100% Grace on Demand at our level. I'm sure some gurus or saints can do it. But not me.

 

LOL if you *have* to read the book -- it means you're not there yet.🤣

 

Right on !