Answering mysteries and other research activities with Tarot

[JoyousGirl]

I remember many years ago on Aeclectic there was a member who asked a question about the history of a treasure that had recently been found.  Who left it there and why? I'm not sure if anyone ever found out the answer, but there may be a way we can unearth such secrets.

 

Does this sound like an interesting way to use the cards? I would like to start up some Tarot 'research' activities like this that people can participate in.

 

Here's one activity: 

 

1. A question is asked - maybe someone sees something in the news and wants to find out the answer to it - it could be a historic person, treasure, ancient civilisations, such as Atlantis or what really happened at Easter Island. You get the gist: Someone is curious about something and a question is asked. (Crime may need to be a closed group - the world's currently scary enough - actually this should all occur in a closed group)
2. Participants then privately do a reading, with everyone asking the same question with the same positions - then list the cards that appear in the positions and any keywords or ideas that come up. No-one shares any of their results until the due date. Then we see what seems to concur or be a theme. That is our answer - it may lead to other questions or be resolved.

 

Another activity is sort of based on an article I saw about some meteorite coming to Earth in 2032.  Can we read events like earthquakes and tectonic plate movements, earth changes, and their locations? Should we? What about questions as to black holes and why Uranus is on its side, and what the Mayan end of the world really tried to say or relates to?   

 

To do this I would propose:

• exercises such as looking at cards to see which might indicate those sort of things. Maybe the Star or Moon with 8 of Wands and something else could indicate a meteorite or comet - Maybe if placed in an astrological house system layout Mercury/Gemini for something occurring at speed etc. Maybe we assign cards with those events or meanings. I'm open to suggestions.
• Again, the activity would be done alone. Each of us would be using different imagery on different decks, and have different background Tarot studies and attributions, so maybe that wouldn't work. Ideas are welcome.

 

Would anyone be interested in this?

Edited February 8 by JoyousGirl

[Misterei]

I find these types of questions to be great fun. The only downside is that its nearly impossible to do accuracy testing. I’ve done a couple of reads along these lines and posted them in my journal. It would be interesting to see what you or others do. 

[Deian]

In my humble view this can be challenging, because there is , often, a lot of history one may need to know to be able to put the answer in place. Lets say we ask "What happened at the end of Atlantis?"

Now, we assume Atlantis existed, but if we check Platos description and some structures in Africa today, seems somewhat clear it did exist.
Then lets say we check available sources.

Samual Sagan, for example, had something called "clarivision schools" they were focusing on developing alternative perception ways... Had techniques to vividly experiencing past lifes stuff, with that had very long and detailed description of a lifetimes near the end of Atlantis. And what is described there I can't imagine people could put together from divination, it just need other types of techniques as there is a lot higher limit of the flow of information we want to be able to receive to understand the answer. And his view was only for people living in specific monastery there.

 

Then there are quite a lot other, somewhat "reliable" sources like Edgar Cayce and others. And Cayce was accurate enough in his health diagnosis it seems, to be taken seriously in this. Again there lengthy descriptions of Atlantis and what happened at the end of it, from another point of view, but again something we can never put together from a divination system, as its just too much info.

What I personally enjoy is checking sources. What was right in Cayce view, what was accurate in Sagans, was today's structures in Africa what is left of Atlantis etc.

So may need a middle level we can use and divine on that middle level. Trying it all directly with a system may be challenging.

That being said I'm happy to give it a try, if people decide they want to. But will have to be with Eastern systems, my tarot is just not good enough for this. : )

 

[JoyousGirl]

Thanks for responding @Misterei

 

Yes, accuracy testing would be difficult. This is why the same question and spread placements would be essential for those using Tarot. My thinking is that either the same cards would come up, or the same keywords or ideas about whatever card comes up in the position or the suggested outcome. Maybe people have visions or images, too. 

 

Keeping results private until the release date means no-one will be influenced by what others say. Some acquiesce to others' pronouncements in order to belong, or we second-guess ourselves even when correct, or what we see might seem odd, or we don't want to be offensive.  None are good for developing intuition. When we do an analysis of everyone's response, any 'uniform' responses serve as the accuracy testing. If that makes sense? 

 

As a private group it would allow freedom of expression and also maintain integrity - we want to prevent intellectual property theft, too.

 

We could also do remote viewing exercises and training as part of these practical activities I'm suggesting.

 

I was reflecting on what was so good about Aeclectic, and it was the opportunity to put skills into practice. There tends to be a lot of conversation here on TTM but not as much practical activity as Aeclectic. That's another topic, though. 

 

[Misterei]

6 minutes ago, JoyousGirl said:

Thanks for responding @Misterei

Yes, accuracy testing would be difficult. ... My thinking is that either the same cards would come up, ...

This can depend on deck. For example a semi-humorous spread I did on the recent UFOs -- the particular card image in the particular deck made all the difference. Different decks have different images. So unless everyone uses the same deck ... the most we might do is it compare for similar general impressions and conclusions. I.e. the reading itself becomes more important than which cards got you there.

6 minutes ago, JoyousGirl said:

... When we do an analysis of everyone's response, any 'uniform' responses serve as the accuracy testing. If that makes sense? 

OK. Interesting point. Still, I can't say Tarot works that way. For example I read certain cards differently than other people. Some read 7 swords as theft or dishonesty, but I get it as recurrence. Something incomplete. Thus I might get 7 swords to say a phenomenon like the UFOs [for example] is recurring. Whereas another reader would get 7 swords as theft. We have no uniform definitions amongst readers.

 

OTOH, I agree that if all readers get The World card [for example] it certainly shows *something*. If nothing else, a psychic link between the readers.

6 minutes ago, JoyousGirl said:

As a private group it would allow freedom of expression and also maintain integrity - we want to prevent intellectual property theft, too.

I'm interested in such activity but I don't know if I can commit. I started a new work project. But your idea is intriguing.

6 minutes ago, JoyousGirl said:

I was reflecting on what was so good about Aeclectic, and it was the opportunity to put skills into practice.

Yes I remember some groups or threads similar to what you mention. i miss AF too. It was much larger. I miss the sheer size of it.

[JoyousGirl]

Thanks for responding @Deian

11 hours ago, Deian said:

there is , often, a lot of history one may need to know to be able to put the answer in place. Lets say we ask "What happened at the end of Atlantis?"

 

While I understanding wanting something to go on from, I'm not sure that having a background is always useful, because it ties everything to that background instead of unearthing new information.  Too much foreknowledge or preconceived notions may mean following a path someone else has laid instead of creating a new one, or uncovering one that's been overgrown and overlooked.  Do we know how the pyramids were built yet?

 

Perhaps the only thing required for a practical exercise like this would be the description of Atlantis as provided by Plato. This could be a good vision to hold in mind as you read on the question - very steep precipitous cliffs, situated in the Atlantic Ocean. The people in their day to day lives. 

 

I actually did research on Atlantis and Earth changes. What happened is not really mysterious considering tectonic plates. And there's stories in nearby countries that talk about it. But everyone loves the mystery of it. 

[JoyousGirl]

@Misterei 

 

"We have no uniform definitions amongst readers."

 

This is a relevant point. Our own life experiences will connect with the card pulled. 

 

In any reading, whatever comes to mind is what to go with. There's hundreds of potential meanings for each card - but which one actually comes to mind when you see one card or what do all of them together tell you or reconfirm? 

 

So 7 of Swords can mean theft, it may mean UFOs, getting away with something, or taking credit for someone else's work - maybe counterfeit art and the like.  The essence of the card (as someone recently described it) could be "surreptitiously" or maybe "evasion". 

 

20 minutes ago, Misterei said:

I don't know if I can commit.

 

Yes, this would be difficult for some.  My thinking is to perform the activity and put it through a brewing process over time.

 

Got time while waiting in line? Contemplate one aspect of the reading and get some images and ideas.  Eating dinner? Contemplate the reading and get more images and ideas. That way you're really connecting to the superconscious information highway - you're putting it out there and letting it come to you. 

 

Maybe the task goes through several stages over months and participants can submit questions about what seems to be coming up for them for future stages of the activity. Developing the ideal process would probably, of necessity, evolve during the initial process itself. All ideas are welcome. Thanks for contributing!    

 

  

[Barleywine]

Over the last ten years or so I've done a great number of readings using both tarot and horary astrology (often in combination) with the goal of finding lost items and missing persons. My success rate with helping people find lost items has been close to 80% but locating missing persons (primarily "cold cases") has been less impressive, and when I'm right they are almost always deceased when they turn up. Still, a few of the readings have been spectacularly accurate.

[JoyousGirl]

@Barleywine There's a lot of meaning in doing this kind of activity - and I believe it would be fascinating work, as you say. 

 

"locating missing persons ... has been less impressive, and when I'm right they are almost always deceased when they turn up." 

 

That means you've got useful practise as a leader of a 'team' with that interest, I think your background is useful for some of the purposes I have in mind, too - but that's a confidential matter. 

 

So, You've discovered the geolocation is OK, but needs work. It also reinforces that the questions are important. I'm thinking of something like a storyboard progression - not that I have any experience with that, but tactics and strategy are a component (another area of your expertise I am guessing). 

 

Different methods might be required depending on the question / information sought, too, as you and @Misterei have suggested.

Edited February 10 by JoyousGirl

[Raggydoll]

6 hours ago, JoyousGirl said:

While I understanding wanting something to go on from, I'm not sure that having a background is always useful, because it ties everything to that background instead of unearthing new information.  Too much foreknowledge or preconceived notions may mean following a path someone else has laid instead of creating a new one, or uncovering one that's been overgrown and overlooked.  Do we know how the pyramids were built yet?

I agree. Also - Tarot can certainly be used without having background knowledge about the situation you’re reading on. I think it’s a good exercise to trust the cards to tell you everything you need to know. This is certainly a useful approach when you’re reading for other people. It would be bothersome if we had to interview the client deeply, and read up on relevant topics, before we could answer any questions they had. 

[Deian]

10 hours ago, JoyousGirl said:

Thanks for responding @Deian

 

While I understanding wanting something to go on from, I'm not sure that having a background is always useful, because it ties everything to that background instead of unearthing new information.  Too much foreknowledge or preconceived notions may mean following a path someone else has laid instead of creating a new one, or uncovering one that's been overgrown and overlooked.  Do we know how the pyramids were built yet?

 

Perhaps the only thing required for a practical exercise like this would be the description of Atlantis as provided by Plato. This could be a good vision to hold in mind as you read on the question - very steep precipitous cliffs, situated in the Atlantic Ocean. The people in their day to day lives. 

 

I actually did research on Atlantis and Earth changes. What happened is not really mysterious considering tectonic plates. And there's stories in nearby countries that talk about it. But everyone loves the mystery of it. 

 

Reflection of Althea. If one wants to connect to where it all comes from,it doesn't have to be mysterious. It just needs to reflect what we want to learn. : )

 

[JoyousGirl]

18 hours ago, Raggydoll said:

trust the cards to tell you everything you need to know....a useful approach when you’re reading for other people. It would be bothersome if we had to interview the client deeply, and read up on relevant topics, before we could answer any questions they had. 

 

Yes. This is my preference. "Cold reading" in my terminology and understanding is reading without knowing anything beforehand - because you may be influenced by what the person tells you or what you discover. (ETA Sometimes you do need to ask questions if you're drawn onto a trajectory of insight that you're not sure is correct and so you follow that insight - but not so many that you're telling the person what they've just told you)

 

Evidential mediums work in this way - they are giving you the evidence to prove that the person they are in contact with is the person you know. "There's no way they could possibly know that if they weren't talking to so-and-so in spirit".  

Edited February 10 by JoyousGirl

[katrinka]

44 minutes ago, JoyousGirl said:

Cold reading" in my terminology and understanding is reading without knowing anything beforehand - because you may be influenced by what the person tells you or what you discover.

No offense intended, but you might want to find some new terminology. "Cold reading" is defined as faking it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

https://www.wikihow.com/Cold-Read

 

[JoyousGirl]

2 hours ago, katrinka said:

No offense intended,

None taken. This is new to me.

 

I always thought it was because there was no information given it was cold.  In the sense there was nothing warmed up (previous questions and answers provided, so to speak, to follow.  Probably also because when dead people appear in a medium's energy field it can get very cold.

Well, looks like I need a new term. What about "a blind reading"? 

[katrinka]

1 hour ago, JoyousGirl said:

Well, looks like I need a new term. What about "a blind reading"? 

 

"Blind reading" would work. ☺️