Ratty Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 It was pointed out to me the other day that nine of cups could be read as be careful what you wish for: what we believe we want isn't what we actually want. I have always thought that the defensive nature of the nine of wands is down to being caught out in a lie. There's a fake it till you make it aspect. The nine of swords can be seen as worry over nothing or getting things totally out of proportion. In all three cases there's an element of wrong belief/representation. It's not just that there's something missing, it's a disconnect with reality. With raises the obvious question. What about the nine of pentacles? It's easy to talk about what's missing, but is there also a reading of that card in which there's a disconnection between belief and reality? In the North of England there's a saying, all fur coat and no knickers. The superficial outward show belies reality. Do people ever read that kind of thing into 9oP? (Happy to hear from those who think there isn't such a reading as well as those who think there is.)
Star83 Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 In my experiences, 9 of pentacles has always represented someone being satisfied with being single. They’re happy with their freedom to spoil themselves in any sensual earthly way they desire. But they are single. It’s also good for tending to the garden and being with nature, including the beach.
DDwarks Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 The 9 of Pentacles is a card of content. It talks about security and safety earned through hard work but it's worst bearing in mind that the hard work can be work on yourself too. Ill dignified/Rx/the element you talk about, she's wasted those opportunities so she looks and feels like she should have done well for herself but she hasn't. Not fur coat and no knickers which would be an ill dignified Queen in my opinion, but "root less" or not grounded. There's issues going on with the 9 of Pentacles Rx. They can't hang on/ enjoy their achievements or make good use of them through not being properly equipped to do so. It's a Pentacles card Rx so we're talking practicality and lack of. In theory, they should do well. In practice, they fall flat on their faces! Your view of the 9 of Wands I find interesting. Which deck do you use? To me, the 9 of Wands is a perseverance card. They've done lots already and yet it's still not enough! They must pick themselves up again and carry on. Unfortunately they're already battered and bruised and you can only stretch yourself so far hence the 10 of Wands as the next card. The "element" of the 9 of Wands, the warning if you like is in the 10 of Wands. Take care of yourself or you'll be made to. Just like the 9 of Cups warns you about being careful what you wish for. You could end up in that truly wonderful 10 of Cups only to find out there's a feeling of unrest. Let's face it, a lot of us would be bored stiff in heaven! The 9 of Swords CAN be read as worry over nothing when Rx/ ill dignified but it can also show genuine stressful times like finding out your child is very poorly and not being able to sleep at night! It all depends on the situation, the accompanying cards, the elements and a bit of working out!
Ratty Posted July 21, 2018 Author Posted July 21, 2018 Your view of the 9 of Wands I find interesting. Which deck do you use? To me, the 9 of Wands is a perseverance card. They've done lots already and yet it's still not enough! Original RWS. In the eight he's moving so fast, he's clearly going straight past the little castle in the background, suggesting his aim may not be so good. I look for other cards in a spread that provide vision, aim or intent, like the three of wands or many of the swords to help the eight maintain track. So in the nine. he's come down to earth in the wrong place. What does a wand do? A sword would curse and swear, admit it and move forward. While a sword's power lies in reality, a wand's power lies in belief. A wand will have made promises. He'll have exaggerated his abilities, claimed too much on the timescales. So he will get defensive and try to cover up. He's not persevering in the imagery as I see it - that's the ten. He's standing there, castle nowhere to be seen, fenced in behind by the wands that won't let him back-track (his previous promises). The headband is an echo of the blindfold in the eight of swords, suggesting unlike her he's not self deluded. Hence my alternate reading. I'm not suggesting that should be the primary reading. However as a natural sword, I've learned in business that admitting you've fallen short can mean falling on your sword, and wands get further by shading the truth instead.
DDwarks Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 There's a LOT in your last post so I'm going to break down :) Original RWS. In the eight he's moving so fast, he's clearly going straight past the little castle in the background, suggesting his aim may not be so good. The 8 of Wands is card of communication. It's fast moving because it suggest actions were taken without prior brain engagement. Or touching base (brain/home/castle). Si it's not about the aim being no good but the act being unplanned. I look for other cards in a spread that provide vision, aim or intent, like the three of wands or many of the swords to help the eight maintain track. So in the nine. he's come down to earth in the wrong place. What does a wand do? A sword would curse and swear, admit it and move forward. While a sword's power lies in reality, a wand's power lies in belief. A wand will have made promises. He'll have exaggerated his abilities, claimed too much on the timescales. So he will get defensive and try to cover up. The Wands in the 9 are all perfectly straight and where they ought to be. Put in place by him as he was supposed to do. But there's *still* one more to go! The blindfold suggest that although he's made real efforts to break through his struggles, they are still there. The blindfold is *still* in the picture. Hence perseverance. Now the Swords and Wands debate. Wands are action cards. They'll do whatever it takes to get there and can get nasty if challenged. The King of Wands is Fire of Fire. HUGE ego! He doesn't just think he's better than you. He was born programmed that way. Challenge him in anyway and things get nasty! They don't hide being lies. They own it! They've got that "so what?" attitude, "what are you going to do about it?" Swords are thoughts. Thoughts are where brain messing starts. Yes, they would curse and swear but they wouldn't admit it! I call the King of Swords the poker player. The Queen of Swords is sour faced. The page is trouble. They're the ones that will do a cover up. He's not persevering in the imagery as I see it - that's the ten. He's standing there, castle nowhere to be seen, fenced in behind by the wands that won't let him back-track (his previous promises). The headband is an echo of the blindfold in the eight of swords, suggesting unlike her he's not self deluded. Hence my alternate reading. The 10 of Wands is overwhelmed by responsibilities. He's got that huge load to get back to the castle somehow. It's bulky, heavy and there's only one of him.. I'm not suggesting that should be the primary reading. However as a natural sword, I've learned in business that admitting you've fallen short can mean falling on your sword, and wands get further by shading the truth instead. That makes a you Fire energy, not Air (Swords). Look at the 7 of Swords for example. Talk about shaddy behaviour! A court card Wands doesn't admit they've done wrong. They've got that "you're not taking me down attitude".
Ratty Posted July 21, 2018 Author Posted July 21, 2018 There's a LOT in your last post so I'm going to break down :) Thank you. I'm still learning and it's useful to get feedback. I'm not suggesting that should be the primary reading. However as a natural sword, I've learned in business that admitting you've fallen short can mean falling on your sword, and wands get further by shading the truth instead. That makes a you Fire energy, not Air (Swords). Look at the 7 of Swords for example. Talk about shaddy behaviour! I said I learned it. Didn't say I do it. I also learned how not to get in that situation in the first place. There's a difference between the calculated manipulation of a sword and the lies of a wand. A court card Wands doesn't admit they've done wrong. They've got that "you're not taking me down attitude". And it's exactly that behaviour of wands I'm talking about: when they don't admit they're wrong. If pushed, they claim what they did was what they always said they'd do, either by lying about where they are now or about what they originally said. It's George W Bush on that ship simply declaring the mission accomplished in the Iraq war. That to me is nine of wands.
DDwarks Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 You'll always be learning! We're all students of the tarot. There's so many levels and depth to it that it's a life long pursuit.
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