Trouble understanding my Lenormand cards

[pacificwaters]

So they say, Lenormand cards are much more objective as compared to Tarot cards. And that they rule out significantly the intuition aspect.

 

Posting my recent experience on which I would love to have your take

 

Currently I have been assigned this project which in the first meeting failed to impress the committee, and they recommended closure of the project before time. The matter was then passed on to another committee.

 

At this juncture I asked my Lenormand cards as to what I could expect as an outcome. The cards that came up were

 

Book-Coffin-Clover

 

With coffin in the center, I felt it was a dead giveaway that this superlative committee would also tow the line of the initial meeting. My interp of the cards was - A certain agenda behind the project would cause its closure. But this closure could bring with it some positivity (maybe) on another front.

 

Post the meeting I came to know that my project would go on and there has been an unexpected shower of positivity in terms of getting some additives which I had not even asked for.

 

Now my question is - yes if you look at the cards after the outcome you can say that there is a chance of the project not ending. But at first sight with the coffin card in the center is there not an indication of closure/the end?? How then should these cards have been read. Or have I absolutely erred as to how to read the cards?

 

Besides, since intuition doesnt play as major a role in Lenormand as in the Tarot, I even tried my hand at predicting outcomes at the Soccer World Cup this year. But well the success ratio was barely 50% in predicting the winner.

 

Where am i going wrong?

[DanielJUK]

Hi PW,

 

There are different ways and methods of reading Lenormand is the problem, once you find the way that works best for you, it clicks into place! But that is the hard part. Once you get that, you don't have the learning the system issues of tarot but this is the tricky part.

 

Some Lenormand readers are very traditional, they will only use the original meanings and ideas of each card, there is no bending the rules. I think you can use intuition there, you use intuition after you have read the traditional meanings / keywords of each card but you shouldn't read the card intuitively. It's the analysis that is intuitive if you get what I mean. The other really confusing there is that there is different traditional takes on the cards, a French approach and German approach and if you read different books, the authors will treat the cards differently. Like for some, Work is represented by Anchor but for others Fox.

 

Some readers are modern with their reading, they will take combinations and cards and bend them to modern times. Also some people adapt the system to their own style with this way of doing it. In my own reading style, I use intuition because that is my reading style for all other systems. I use the traditional structure and ideas of the cards and intuition to analysis it but also I read the card intuitively, I look at the card art and symbols, I say what I feel and get from it. I have exchanged with a very traditional (or maybe a better word is Classical) reader and we did it quite differently but both got good readings but I wouldn't say I am a traditional reader, I have adapted it to my own style that works for me. Some people even read the cards separately like an oracle, not in combination like Lenormand.

 

If you look at people doing readings now, there are different ways people use it. I have also seen huge fights in communities between traditional readers and more modern people, there is much more drama there than in tarot. But I believe you have to find your method to use it, what fits you! Pick one author or book and go with it, don't keep changing with different things you read. That is the trick, just stick to one way (especially with the ideas about each card). My approach to divination has always been to find your own way with it, what works for you.

 

If I was doing your reading in my exchange (I won't use intuitive reading of the cards here). Coffin in the middle totally agree, the project will be closed down, this card is similar to Death in tarot, it can lead to transformation and change, some cards show this coffin being buried, burying the project.

 

So I have been thinking about this and they didn't close the project down but you asked, what could you expect? well you were expecting for the project to be closed down. You have to be careful with wording in Lenormand :) it would be interesting to ask, what outcome or decision will this committee make?

 

Actually your reading shows what happened....

 

Core of the reading - Coffin - you expected it to be buried

Book + Coffin - this is a document or book that will suddenly appear, perhaps a secret will come out. This combination means "failed examination" but it can also mean that paperwork comes out to save the project, an unexpected submission, something in that area. An ending of study or education.

Coffin + Clover - this is really interesting because the clover make the coffin positive, a little luck there. The Clover is short lived though and fleeting, I think this committee may have stopped the project from being buried for a while due to some out of the blue paperwork submitted that they liked but ultimately the Clover doesn't last forever. It's just bought it a bit more time.

 

The positive I guess of this reading is that the project could be shut down in future, this is just an unexpected saving of it but perhaps another committee may look at it again :)

 

You did the reading fine but becareful with the question, Lenormand can be very literal, more than tarot :)

 

and on another note, sorry this situation is still going on with the project and still stressful  :o <3

[DownUnderNZer]

 

 

pacficwaters

 

COFFIN can be about a transition - so it is not always so negative or about an ending. Like something may result that is different than expected.

 

Example: A couple no longer being in love, but having a better understanding of one another only on a different level or plane.

 

The POSITION of the card is not at the end of your 3 card spread either, so the outcome is really the COFFIN+CLOVER.

 

COFFIN can also just mean a CONCLUSION or ENDING to something.

 

So, maybe along the lines of not all will be revealed (Book) although a conclusion (Coffin) will result and an opportunity (Clover) offered.

 

I do see COFFIN+CLOVER as a conclusion or ending resulting in an opportunity.

 

However, had it been CLOVER+COFFIN, I would have seen that differently.  No go. Nothing offered. No opportunity. Closure. Dead end.

 

 

 

 

So they say, Lenormand cards are much more objective as compared to Tarot cards. And that they rule out significantly the intuition aspect.

 

Posting my recent experience on which I would love to have your take

 

Currently I have been assigned this project which in the first meeting failed to impress the committee, and they recommended closure of the project before time. The matter was then passed on to another committee.

 

At this juncture I asked my Lenormand cards as to what I could expect as an outcome. The cards that came up were

 

Book-Coffin-Clover

 

With coffin in the center, I felt it was a dead giveaway that this superlative committee would also tow the line of the initial meeting. My interp of the cards was - A certain agenda behind the project would cause its closure. But this closure could bring with it some positivity (maybe) on another front.

 

Post the meeting I came to know that my project would go on and there has been an unexpected shower of positivity in terms of getting some additives which I had not even asked for.

 

Now my question is - yes if you look at the cards after the outcome you can say that there is a chance of the project not ending. But at first sight with the coffin card in the center is there not an indication of closure/the end?? How then should these cards have been read. Or have I absolutely erred as to how to read the cards?

 

Besides, since intuition doesnt play as major a role in Lenormand as in the Tarot, I even tried my hand at predicting outcomes at the Soccer World Cup this year. But well the success ratio was barely 50% in predicting the winner.

 

Where am i going wrong?

[DanielJUK]

^^ DUNZer is so good at reading Lenormand, I am always in awe :)  <3 <3

[pacificwaters]

DanielJUK[/member]

 

What you said about there being camps in Lenormand reading types, I second that. Rather I have even observed discussions about the reading types for each card and the variation in the meanings. That’s why until now I have only stuck to Rana George’s book as my guide book. Nothing else, at least for the time being.

 

If I was doing your reading in my exchange (I won't use intuitive reading of the cards here). Coffin in the middle totally agree, the project will be closed down, this card is similar to Death in tarot, it can lead to transformation and change, some cards show this coffin being buried, burying the project.

 

So I have been thinking about this and they didn't close the project down but you asked, what could you expect? well you were expecting for the project to be closed down. You have to be careful with wording in Lenormand  it would be interesting to ask, what outcome or decision will this committee make?

 

I did read somewhere how important framing a question was for Lenormand readings. But well, isn’t that what is also said for Tarot. I have been trying my best with regards to framing questions (if that’s only where I am erring) but even then I have been off track. That said, yes your way of framing the question (what outcome or decision will this committee make? ) is more to the point than what I had framed. I will keep this in mind during my next reading with Lenormand cards.

 

Actually your reading shows what happened....

 

Core of the reading - Coffin - you expected it to be buried

Book + Coffin - this is a document or book that will suddenly appear, perhaps a secret will come out. This combination means "failed examination" but it can also mean that paperwork comes out to save the project, an unexpected submission, something in that area. An ending of study or education.

 

Coffin + Clover - this is really interesting because the clover make the coffin positive, a little luck there. The Clover is short lived though and fleeting, I think this committee may have stopped the project from being buried for a while due to some out of the blue paperwork submitted that they liked but ultimately the Clover doesn't last forever. It's just bought it a bit more time.

 

The positive I guess of this reading is that the project could be shut down in future, this is just an unexpected saving of it but perhaps another committee may look at it again 

 

Isnt coffin more of – the end, as against Death card in Tarot which is about an end for the better?

 

With the coffin I always thought that it was about a closure, since it’s the central card.

 

In fact the other interp I had for Book-coffin-clover, was the project closing down due to technical issues and me being happy (coffin-clover) about it. This sounded legitimate (??) as well, coz there were lots of headaches with the project. However what DownUnderNZer[/member]  mentions below is quite bang on. It is here where I don’t know what to interpret. How to interpret and how to reach the logical conclusion which unfortunately is not working for me… :(

 

COFFIN can be about a transition - so it is not always so negative or about an ending. Like something may result that is different than expected.

 

Example: A couple no longer being in love, but having a better understanding of one another only on a different level or plane.

 

Lenormand interpretation looks so easy when you break it down DownUnderNZer[/member] . Its like, why couldn’t I do it then :(

 

Like I mentioned above, I thought of coffin as the end, as against transition. Your example sort of explained it nicely.

 

 

The POSITION of the card is not at the end of your 3 card spread either, so the outcome is really the COFFIN+CLOVER.

 

COFFIN can also just mean a CONCLUSION or ENDING to something.

 

So, maybe along the lines of not all will be revealed (Book) although a conclusion (Coffin) will result and an opportunity (Clover) offered.

 

Regarding positions, do you mean to say that the card at the end of the spread is more defining than the one at the centre???

 

I do see COFFIN+CLOVER as a conclusion or ending resulting in an opportunity.

 

However, had it been CLOVER+COFFIN, I would have seen that differently.  No go. Nothing offered. No opportunity. Closure. Dead end.

 

That was succinct and to the point. Gotcha.

 

[DownUnderNZer]

 

I know I have made mistakes too - it is all a part of the learning process.  <3

 

^^ DUNZer is so good at reading Lenormand, I am always in awe :)  <3 <3

[DownUnderNZer]

pacificwaters

 

THE LAST CARD always has the FINAL INPUT. I think the middle card can be a FOCUS one, but the end one always has the last word.

 

So, try to remember that to simplify it.

 

Don't be hard on yourself! You chose the word closure (Coffin) and then for something else to come up instead (Clover). And there is nothing wrong with that.

 

An Ending with the COFFIN can mean final, a conclusion. it is not always an ending that is disastrous or meaning NO. (On the most part COFFIN is not favorable, but not always).

 

There is this negative attachment to COFFIN and so NO comes up quite strongly with it and therefore I think it is  natural  for anyone to see it as a NO.

 

Say if I went with it as being a NO - I would have still seen the CLOVER as a 2nd chance or another opportunity. Whether something else connected to that meeting and project or a reconsideration.

 

 

 

However what DownUnderNZer[/member]  mentions below is quite bang on. It is here where I don’t know what to interpret. How to interpret and how to reach the logical conclusion which unfortunately is not working for me… :(

 

COFFIN can be about a transition - so it is not always so negative or about an ending. Like something may result that is different than expected.

 

Example: A couple no longer being in love, but having a better understanding of one another only on a different level or plane.

 

Lenormand interpretation looks so easy when you break it down DownUnderNZer[/member] . Its like, why couldn’t I do it then :(

 

Like I mentioned above, I thought of coffin as the end, as against transition. Your example sort of explained it nicely.

 

 

The POSITION of the card is not at the end of your 3 card spread either, so the outcome is really the COFFIN+CLOVER.

 

COFFIN can also just mean a CONCLUSION or ENDING to something.

 

So, maybe along the lines of not all will be revealed (Book) although a conclusion (Coffin) will result and an opportunity (Clover) offered.

 

Regarding positions, do you mean to say that the card at the end of the spread is more defining than the one at the centre???

 

I do see COFFIN+CLOVER as a conclusion or ending resulting in an opportunity.

 

However, had it been CLOVER+COFFIN, I would have seen that differently.  No go. Nothing offered. No opportunity. Closure. Dead end.

 

That was succinct and to the point. Gotcha.

 

[DownUnderNZer]

 

Just adding:

 

With the COFFIN a transition is literally from one state of being to another.

 

If I was doing a question on something spiritual or a past life I would see COFFIN and CROSSROADS as two planes or the physical and spiritual dimensions.

 

As in one state of being with another state of being at the same time.

 

So, with your project and meeting, going from the situation being unknown (Book) to an opportunity offered (Clover).

 

Or the end result (Coffin) being a second chance, wind, and/or fortunate outcome (Clover).

 

A lucky break if you like!

 

Hope that helps a bit.  :)

 

 

 

 

[pacificwaters]

So, with your project and meeting, going from the situation being unknown (Book) to an opportunity offered (Clover).

 

Thank you. That was so easy !! I wonder what I was doing  ::) instead of seeing the so clear as a crystal message