Possible Greenwood reprint.....

[geoxena]

6 hours ago, ilweran said:

The Schiffer reprint must have Chesca's permission - their legal department wouldn't allow it to go ahead without it.

 

You may have concerns about how that permission ended up being given - the Kickstarter essentially forced Chesca's/her brother's involvement - but for a mainstream publisher to republish there will be a contract and Chesca will receive payment.

 

Does this mean that Schiffer can serve Mark Ryan with a "cease-and-desist" order (or similar) to stop his KS project from going forward?  From where are you getting your info, may I ask?

 

 

Edited September 30 by geoxena

[RunningWild]

57 minutes ago, geoxena said:

 

Does this mean that Schiffer can serve Mark Ryan with a "cease-and-desist" order (or similar) to stop his KS project from going forward?  From where are you getting your info, may I ask?

 

 

 

It's on FB and I believe it's MR's page.  I searched Schiffer/RedFeather Publishing sites and found nothing.  It might be in production but appears to be under his direction.

[ilweran]

1 hour ago, geoxena said:

 

Does this mean that Schiffer can serve Mark Ryan with a "cease-and-desist" order (or similar) to stop his KS project from going forward?  From where are you getting your info, may I ask?

 

 

No, the deal with Schiffer seems to be from after the Kickstarter - though obviously we don't know if there were any talks before hand. 

 

The Schiffer reprint has been announced on Ryan's Greenwood Facebook page.

 

Info about Chesca's brother - he posted on the above page back when a reprint was originally mentioned back in 2018ish? And he put in copyright complaint to Kickstarter giving info on his power of attorney (https://www.kickstarter.com/dmca/the-greenwood-tarot-submitted-by-private-individual) Within days of this going in permission was apparently given - Ryan mentioned it on the Facebook page, and I heard about it from someone who had been in touch with the brother.

 

This is why it must be above board. I don't believe Schiffer would be publishing it without being sure everything the legal side was sorted, and of course a contact for Chesca's side of things is now publicly known. 

 

There's a lot of weird stuff that was said, the whole situation has been very odd, but that's the basics.

Edited September 30 by ilweran

[ilweran]

54 minutes ago, RunningWild said:

 

It's on FB and I believe it's MR's page.  I searched Schiffer/RedFeather Publishing sites and found nothing.  It might be in production but appears to be under his direction.

Release is a year away. Presumably something will show up eventually.

[jupiter]

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No financial offer has been made to compensate Anna Francesca Glynne Potter for any reprint of The Greenwood Tarot.

 

for ANY reprint. Now that makes me wonder if this was written before, or after the deal with the publisher was made.

Was this claim even considered by Kickstarter at all, or did the project funding just go through regardless? From what I glean from this thread, it seems to have had no effect at all...?
This is all rather strange. Hopefully the brother is even aware of the mass-market efforts with Schiffer.

[Rodney]

Someone posted a rather disappointed review of the Kickstarter deck on Reddit. Complaints:

• "sticky, shiny, plasticky, and cheap-feeling" cardstock
• poor image quality that looks "like blurry scans"
• "flimsy folded cardboard box" that likely won't survive any use

The one reply of "buy 💩, get 💩" when I saw the post had gotten downvoted. Sounds like the campaign supporters are in the FAFO stage of things...

[jupiter]

My favorite line was 

 

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The low quality of the deck is doubly-frustrating in light of all the junk that came with it.

 

plastic-wrapped random extras instead of the items promised in the campaign. That's a big oof...

[ilweran]

The quality of the scans has been available to see on the Facebook page - I commented on it and was assured it would be fixed. From what I've seen images appear to be over saturated with not enough contrast.

 

As for extras, the bag looked ok, but no idea what the thinking was behind the terrible bookmarks. Don't know about the pin.

 

No sign of the print that was a stretch goal as far as I know. The second Lovers card isn't, it's a separate piece of art, possibly related to the 2 of Cups. It's also not non-gendered as the heron clearly identifies the stag headed figure as Herne, so I'd guess the horse headed figure may be Epona.

 

I will say I also wasn't impressed with the Celtic Shaman's Pack reprint image quality, again the original art wasn't available. A professional needs to be hired to properly scan and tweak the images on properly calibrated equipment. (And frankly, even as an amateur I could have done better.)

 

I'm just glad Chesca is getting some money from the whole thing, but it's a shame her art has been treated like this.

Edited December 11 by ilweran

[gregory]

But hardly unexpected, given the person behind it all. I also feel sorry for the backers - except his hangers-on, who deserve everything they don't get ! He was only ever in it for the money.

[ilweran]

I'm hoping to see more reviews - I'm surprised, given the level of interest, that nobody has put anything on YouTube yet.

 

I know people who wanted the book as well have had to wait because there was an issue with something - can't remember if it was a text error or printing issue.

[ilweran]

The stretch goal art print has been asked about on Kickstarter - reply says 

 

"We are adding the unpublished 'Lovers' card to the decks but if there is enough interest we will offer a special print/poster-size version, probably, once we have cleared the shipping of all the backer decks."

 

It appears they have no intention of providing the print as part of the Kickstarter.

 

ETA - now saying the additional Lovers card was instead of the print due to popular demand. Someone has replied saying this isn't true and commenting on the quality of the reprint - I wonder if that post will be allowed to stay up!

Edited December 16 by ilweran

[gregory]

All exactly as tacky as was expected by us CIVILISED people  At least others will now start to see what a piece of excrement Ryan is.

[ilweran]

Damn, I keep trying to walk away from this, but I really think there needs to be a record of this in case things disappear.

 

Screenshot of extra card from campaign -

 

Screenshot showing 8k stretch goal from campaign -

 

Comment on Kickstarter -

I'm sincerely sorry you aren't pleased with the offered rewards, or the actual deck but I can't let you publicly and inaccurately misrepresent the campaign. So here is my direct response to you...

For the sake of complete accuracy and clarity, this is what is actually stated in the campaign text:

"All items will include a signed and numbered certificate of authenticity and there will be opportunities to own the additional 'Lovers' card that was not included in the original printing. The deck, book, Lover's card and accompanying paperwork will be printed in the UK. Information regarding shipping costs will be posted but these will be kept at a reasonable level as much as possible".

FYI: I personally decided to include the alternate 'Lovers' card (which I still own) for free, with your deck, instead of printing a poster. Folks do seem to like that extra card!

This artwork was gifted to me by Chesca. So I added it to this limited edition deck you now own with a signed and numbered certificate. Sorry you don't perceive it as a limited edition. Maybe you can gift it to someone else who does? (I think you'll find someone on here who will take it off your hands for what you paid for it). Obviously, I'll also remove you from the free reading-session random draw, so you don't feel pressured to accept that reward either. I wouldn't want you to feel awkward.

I feel I've been pretty open with updates and videos attempting to provide information and being inclusive in the choice of card-stock, (340GSM) artwork, gifts and personally answering many questions. More than most Kickstarters, or so I've been told!

After all the effort that's gone into this campaign to make the deck available and affordable again and after acquiring Chesca's personal blessing, it seems the imagery and the ethos are not for you! As you don't have the book and only ordered the cards, maybe you missed out on those fundamental elements of insight?

So! After reading your post last night I felt quite bad for you. I pulled a card to represent your issues....Well....One actually fell out of the deck...Synchronicity!

I sincerely hope you have a better day tomorrow.

Mark Ryan

[gregory]

Well done you. Yes - a record needs to be kept.

[gregory]

Actually given some of his rather foul responses, I've saved the whole page as a PDF. Not last because I did enjoy the person calling his response silly !

[ilweran]

It's absolutely astonishing -

 

Again, just to be clear....Nothing you have posted here is true. It's just your opinion. Try and keep focussed on that, please.

The rewards were generous and well defined. They are being delivered internationally. There is no confusion at this end, I don't regret my choices regarding the free 'Lovers' card. The decks look beautiful and folks are liking them.

 

And that's in response to someone quoting from the campaign page. It's an attempt at gaslighting when we can all see what it says.

 

It's kind of fascinating to watch his responses to questions/being challenged.

[gregory]

And of course, as kickstarter warns that there are no guarantees about anything.....

 

He doesn't regret his choices to change the rewards after people had signed up for WHAT THEY WANTED.

[RunningWild]

That response to a backer was insulting and intimidating.   Arrogant.   “I pulled a card to represent your issues…”. Hmmm because, you know, MR has a bead on all things spiritual.  But you know, social media is everywhere and it wouldn’t take but a few of his backers who are dissatisfied to shine a bright light on the problems and to spread the message about feeling hoodwinked.  The upside would be that he might never ever get another chance at anything on KS or anywhere else because of it.  

 

I don’t know how many backers is a good number, but he only had around 1100.  He didn’t create the art on the cards himself.  He probably just republished the book with a few updates and an updated copyright (I don’t actually know).  I compare that to a deck I just received from a kickstarter campaign where  “exceeds expectations” could be used to describe its presentation.  That artist had over 3000 backers and pulled in more than 2 1/2 times the money.  

[gregory]

And he gets worse; calls her a liar: Says nothing she has said is true. The rewards were indeed well defined- and then he changed them.

[ilweran]

4 hours ago, RunningWild said:

But you know, social media is everywhere and it wouldn’t take but a few of his backers who are dissatisfied to shine a bright light on the problems and to spread the message about feeling hoodwinked.

I'd really like to see more reviews. 

 

I don't think many people will say anything to him though - he's ban happy on the Facebook page, and his tone changes so quickly, attacking people asking innocent questions so quite often they fawn in response and he switches to nice.

 

There's only that one person on Reddit and the person on the Kickstarter comments could well be the same person.

[gregory]

You can't comment on KS if you aren't a backer - and if the reddit person is who I think it is, she would NOT have backed it. He has also, I think, deleted some on KS as well as FB.

 

Oh looky....

[ilweran]

I meant the person who reviewed the deck Reddit, saying the artwork was murky, other rewards were crap and no print. I just wonder if that is the person arguing with Ryan on Kickstarter.

 

Nobody seems to care about any of it though.

[jupiter]

After reading your post last night I felt quite bad for you. I pulled a card to represent your issues....Well....One actually fell out of the deck...Synchronicity!

I sincerely hope you have a better day tomorrow.

 

This stopped me in my tracks. The belittling, gaslighting and mocking and public humiliation. This person is absolutely vile.

[ilweran]

21 hours ago, gregory said:

You can't comment on KS if you aren't a backer - and if the reddit person is who I think it is, she would NOT have backed it. He has also, I think, deleted some on KS as well as FB.

 

Oh looky....

That post is back up now I think. Nothing wrong with it and I guess Kickstarter agreed!

[gregory]

It is still the same on my screen....