Birth card discussion, anyone?

[~D~]

Numbers freak me out :) How are you doing the birth cards?

[Thoughtful]

Grandma put this link up so we could work it all out. Have fun.

 

 

 

 

 

https://labyrinthos.co/blogs/learn-tarot-with-labyrinthos-academy/how-to-calculate-your-tarot-birth-card-plus-short-birth-card-meanings-infographic

[Thoughtful]

My birth cards are Wheel and Magician any thoughts on these would be most welcome.

[Honney]

the tower and chariot...it seems I need to find a balance, what a surprise ;D

[~D~]

I got Temperance and The Heirophant......

[TheFeeLion]

I was thinking about this earlier, if your birth time has an effect on your astrological chart could it not also have an effect on your birth card...?

 

So I put it to the test with my own (using the 24hr clock) and got Sun, Wheel, and Magician. I read the little thing about it on that labyrinthos link and it surprisingly makes sense! Not that I’m going to ignore my standard birth cards but thought it would be fun to have a play and I think it adds an interesting extra flavour [emoji16]

[joy]

I was thinking about this earlier, if your birth time has an effect on your astrological chart could it not also have an effect on your birth card...?

 

So I put it to the test with my own (using the 24hr clock) and got Sun, Wheel, and Magician. I read the little thing about it on that labyrinthos link and it surprisingly makes sense! Not that I’m going to ignore my standard birth cards but thought it would be fun to have a play and I think it adds an interesting extra flavour [emoji16]

How exactly did you calculate this?

[TheFeeLion]

I was thinking about this earlier, if your birth time has an effect on your astrological chart could it not also have an effect on your birth card...?

 

So I put it to the test with my own (using the 24hr clock) and got Sun, Wheel, and Magician. I read the little thing about it on that labyrinthos link and it surprisingly makes sense! Not that I’m going to ignore my standard birth cards but thought it would be fun to have a play and I think it adds an interesting extra flavour [emoji16]

How exactly did you calculate this?

Heh I knew I should have included my workings

 

Let’s do a hypothetical person born 12th of November 1982 at 1.19pm

 

Switch the time to a 24hr clock to look like this: 1319

 

And their birthday to numbers to look like this: 12/11/1982 (I’m in NZ so the month is in the middle)

 

Then split the numbers into two digit numbers and add them together like this: 13+19+12+11+19+82=156

 

Take that three digit number and split and add together like this: 15+6=21

 

So this person would be the World and the Empress.

 

Without the addition of their birth time this person would be the Tower and the Chariot. A friend of mine has these same two cards and was rather upset with having the Tower as she has already been through a LOT and was hoping that she’d be done with all the Tower type stuff. I’d also shown her where to go to get her astrological chart done so I happened to have her birth time and thought that using her birth time might be worth looking at and maybe give her something a bit more positive.

[joy]

I was thinking about this earlier, if your birth time has an effect on your astrological chart could it not also have an effect on your birth card...?

 

So I put it to the test with my own (using the 24hr clock) and got Sun, Wheel, and Magician. I read the little thing about it on that labyrinthos link and it surprisingly makes sense! Not that I’m going to ignore my standard birth cards but thought it would be fun to have a play and I think it adds an interesting extra flavour [emoji16]

How exactly did you calculate this?

Heh I knew I should have included my workings

 

Let’s do a hypothetical person born 12th of November 1982 at 1.19pm

 

Switch the time to a 24hr clock to look like this: 1319

 

And their birthday to numbers to look like this: 12/11/1982 (I’m in NZ so the month is in the middle)

 

Then split the numbers into two digit numbers and add them together like this: 13+19+12+11+19+82=156

 

Take that three digit number and split and add together like this: 15+6=21

 

So this person would be the World and the Empress.

 

Without the addition of their birth time this person would be the Tower and the Chariot. A friend of mine has these same two cards and was rather upset with having the Tower as she has already been through a LOT and was hoping that she’d be done with all the Tower type stuff. I’d also shown her where to go to get her astrological chart done so I happened to have her birth time and thought that using her birth time might be worth looking at and maybe give her something a bit more positive.

 

Interesting! Thanks for sharing. But of course that asks for more answers  :P

Without the birth time I am

11 / 2

seems we always have 2 cards.

 

Now if I add the time I am 22 which does not exist? So then I am a 4 in addition to the 11 and 2?

[TheFeeLion]

I was thinking about this earlier, if your birth time has an effect on your astrological chart could it not also have an effect on your birth card...?

 

So I put it to the test with my own (using the 24hr clock) and got Sun, Wheel, and Magician. I read the little thing about it on that labyrinthos link and it surprisingly makes sense! Not that I’m going to ignore my standard birth cards but thought it would be fun to have a play and I think it adds an interesting extra flavour [emoji16]

How exactly did you calculate this?

Heh I knew I should have included my workings

 

Let’s do a hypothetical person born 12th of November 1982 at 1.19pm

 

Switch the time to a 24hr clock to look like this: 1319

 

And their birthday to numbers to look like this: 12/11/1982 (I’m in NZ so the month is in the middle)

 

Then split the numbers into two digit numbers and add them together like this: 13+19+12+11+19+82=156

 

Take that three digit number and split and add together like this: 15+6=21

 

So this person would be the World and the Empress.

 

Without the addition of their birth time this person would be the Tower and the Chariot. A friend of mine has these same two cards and was rather upset with having the Tower as she has already been through a LOT and was hoping that she’d be done with all the Tower type stuff. I’d also shown her where to go to get her astrological chart done so I happened to have her birth time and thought that using her birth time might be worth looking at and maybe give her something a bit more positive.

 

Interesting! Thanks for sharing. But of course that asks for more answers  :P

Without the birth time I am

11 / 2

seems we always have 2 cards.

 

Now if I add the time I am 22 which does not exist? So then I am a 4 in addition to the 11 and 2?

So, with your birth time you would be Emperor and Death. I would see this as more of an addition to what you already have with the 11/2 rather than a replacement.

I have a bit of a bad habit of playing around with things like this just to see what comes up, so you’re more than welcome to completely ignore all of the above if you want to lol

[joy]

So, with your birth time you would be Emperor and Death. I would see this as more of an addition to what you already have with the 11/2 rather than a replacement.

I have a bit of a bad habit of playing around with things like this just to see what comes up, so you’re more than welcome to completely ignore all of the above if you want to lol

 

Ok so you are going from the 4 up to the 13. Interesting! No no we do not ignore stuff like that ... lol.... I am sure there is a reason why I wanted to know it :-) Thank you!!!

[Guest libra]

Birth Cards are my FAVE.  Absolute fave.  I also calculate my year card every birthday ^_^

 

I'm Justice (Personality), High Priestess (Soul) & Judgement (Shadow).  Plus, I'm a Libra, so my Major Arcana Zodiac card is also Justice, and since I work mainly RWS, it's #11, and I'm born on the 11th!

[joy]

Birth Cards are my FAVE.  Absolute fave.  I also calculate my year card every birthday ^_^

 

I'm Justice (Personality), High Priestess (Soul) & Judgement (Shadow).  Plus, I'm a Libra, so my Major Arcana Zodiac card is also Justice, and since I work mainly RWS, it's #11, and I'm born on the 11th!

 

How do you get to those chards? Personality, Soul and Shadow?

With this online calculator I 'just' get Birth Card :-) I am Justice/High Priestess and a Libra too ;-)

[Guest libra]

Birth Cards are my FAVE.  Absolute fave.  I also calculate my year card every birthday ^_^

 

I'm Justice (Personality), High Priestess (Soul) & Judgement (Shadow).  Plus, I'm a Libra, so my Major Arcana Zodiac card is also Justice, and since I work mainly RWS, it's #11, and I'm born on the 11th!

 

How do you get to those chards? Personality, Soul and Shadow?

With this online calculator I 'just' get Birth Card :-) I am Justice/High Priestess and a Libra too ;-)

 

Biddy Tarot has a brief explaination of the different ways of finding birth cards here - https://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-birth-cards/ - I use the third method she mentions, by Mary K Greer. So because my birthday reduces to 11, that's my Personality card. Then further reduction is possible, to 2, so that's my Soul Card (sometimes your personality and soul cards will be the same, sometimes they won't). Plus, Judgment also reduces to 2, but doesn't show up in Personality / Soul, so that's why it's my Shadow!

 

As for how I read them, I put a post on my blog a while ago!  It's here, and goes into the calculations I choose to use and what each means as a placement, a few ways! That post is here: https://resonance-of-libra.tumblr.com/post/172768562326/resonance-of-libra-ruminations-resonations-by (I'll copy-paste the important stuff in here later, so the discussion can stay in the forum. It's just a pain on mobile!)

 

The first way that I like to look at these cards is to look at then exactly as they sound - representing you Personality and Soul in turn. Your Personality is the face that you wear, the appearance that you give off. Your Personality Card shows your behaviours based on how you want to be seen. It can almost be seen more as a persona that you wear! On the other hand, your Soul Card correlates more to your deepest character, your inner fibers of being. The Soul Card can show your moral compass, what is important to you deep down. When something is important to you, when you need to trust your gut, you tend to act more like your Soul Card than your Personality Card. It’s almost unchangeable, the self that you always return to, whereas your Personality is more adaptable.

 

Another way I like to look at this pair is as though they represent Ego versus Self. In this case, your Soul Card is your innermost true Self. It’s the bigger picture, who you are when you are most connected to the universe and less concerned about mundane things. It’s where you find purpose and meaning in life, it’s authenticity. To contrast, your Personality Card then goes to represent your Ego, the side of you that has been created by your life and situations that you’ve encountered. It’s the side of you that you found benefited you to bring out, the aspects of yourself that society has deemed acceptable. In this case, it’s also important to look at the Shadow Card, because your Shadow side is created in tandem with your Ego. If you learn to bring out traits that are beneficial, it follows that there are traits that become suppressed because they are not. Your Shadow Card represents a side of yourself that was just not as acceptable when your personality was being shaped. This card is what challenges you, and in that way, it can also be the card that gives you the most potential for growth as you learn to work WITH this side of yourself rather than struggle against it!

 

The last way that I tend to look at these cards is in relation to reincarnation. In this way of reading them, your Soul card is kind of your baseline - it’s the Soul that you return to between lives. The Personality Card is you in THIS lifetime, so it shows more of the lessons that your Soul chose this life to learn. And then in this case, your Shadow Card is going to show you the challenges you’re likely to face in this lifetime! These do tend to run towards internally based, rather than external challenges - but, as above so below & what you carry inside, you’ll see outside yourself, you know?

 

All 3 ways of looking at these cards work in conjunction with each other in a way, but I find examining the cards through different lenses really leads to some intense personal growth. Birth Cards can be used as a cool party trick reading, but they also hold a huge depth of information if you’re willing to put the time into working with them! I’ve been studying mine (pictured above) for YEARS and I’m still finding new information about myself when I sit down with them again. I hope you can find a connection with yours as well! I’d love it if you talked about with how you’ve interpreted your Birth Cards and if my ideas here have enhanced your understanding at all - and ESPECIALLY if you have a way of reading your Birth Cards that I haven’t mentioned!

[Aliki]

Sorry if I'm too late to this 😅 but yeah I'm familiar with these type of draws since I'm familiar with numerology so i combine some in my readings it's basically your personal tarot card on numerology there are several others like on some readings you draw the last card according to the numerology of the previous ones and the same as birth card for a relationship/relation card combined with others birthday etc there's even a whole personal and relationship/relations calculator based on tarot major arcana and numerology chakras etc the destiny matrix personally i believe if you're familiar with numerology you can get a card for each of your numbers like souls urge attitude number expression number besides life path it's quite interesting but it's basically tarot combined to numerology usually thought the calculation is based on the numbers of major arcana since basic numerology has specific numbers as well but personally i like trying both ways sometimes and experiment a bit 

Edited December 14, 2022 by Aliki

[Guest]

Death and the Emperor. Sounds like a medieval morality play. 

[MichaelH]

I recently read Mary K. Greer's Tarot for Your Self and she has a long chapter on birth cards and other numerological cards.

 

So I have three - 19 the Sun, which reduces to 10 the Wheel which then reduces to 1 the Magician. She calls the Sun my personality card, the Wheel is my soul card and the Magician is my teacher card. 

[DanielJUK]

There is a similar sister thread about year cards as well -

 

 

[Aliki]

9 hours ago, MichaelH said:

I recently read Mary K. Greer's Tarot for Your Self and she has a long chapter on birth cards and other numerological cards.

 

So I have three - 19 the Sun, which reduces to 10 the Wheel which then reduces to 1 the Magician. She calls the Sun my personality card, the Wheel is my soul card and the Magician is my teacher card. 

Another addition on my wishlist now thank you 😅

[fire cat pickles]

I know I posted this somewhere but I can't find it. I use a different method of calculating my tarot card. I use the total number from my birthday and divide by 22 (Fool is "22" of course). The remainder left is my number. I am a 13. 

 

This website may help. Enter the total from your birthday. For example, (Beethoven's birthday) 12 + 17 + 1770 = 1799.

 

Enter 1779/22 into the app and select "Divide." It will give you several answers. Scroll down to find "Mixed Number Form." The remainder (top number of the fraction) is your tarot card

 

https://www.mathway.com/ProblemWidget.aspx?subject=Algebra&affiliateid=affil18092

 

Beethoven would be 17. Star.

 

Incidentally, if I do a "straight add" of my birthday using other methods, I also get "13" (reduced to"4") for my tarot cards...

 

Edited December 17, 2022 by fire cat pickles

[legendaryelement]

Yes! I do this for each calendar year. Also, a division by 52 to give a standard playing card.

[fire cat pickles]

2 minutes ago, legendaryelement said:

Yes! I do this for each calendar year. Also, a division by 52 to give a standard playing card.

Yes, you can also do this by replacing your birth year for the current year ala Greer.

[Misterei]

4 hours ago, legendaryelement said:

Yes! I do this for each calendar year. Also, a division by 52 to give a standard playing card.

 

4 hours ago, fire cat pickles said:

Yes, you can also do this by replacing your birth year for the current year ala Greer.

I had no idea there were so many methods!

 

I first read about Birth Cards in Book of Thoth. Like everything Crowley, it was a bit intense and complex. Then I got the Angeles Arrien book … her birth card system is based-on Crowley … but more user friendly. You have birth card, personality card, yearly card cycles.

Arrien provides a work sheet so you can list the yearly cards for your whole life.

I quite like it.

It reminds me a bit of the Dasha planetary cycles in Vedic astrology … just conceptually … the mechanics are totally different. But its quite interesting to see the repeating cycles throughout one’s whole life.

 

My birth cards are Hermit and Moon … quite accurate really … they even align with my natal chart (astrology) as I have Virgo Moon (Hermit) and Moon is my AmatyaKaraka (I read the Moon as planetary trump for Luna NOT zodiac trump for pisces).

 

Anyway, with those two cards … is it any wonder I became a tarot reader and astrologer? };>

Edited December 17, 2022 by Misterei

[Aliki]

6 hours ago, fire cat pickles said:

I know I posted this somewhere but I can't find it. I use a different method of calculating my tarot card. I use the total number from my birthday and divide by 22 (Fool is "22" of course). The remainder left is my number. I am a 13. 

 

This website may help. Enter the total from your birthday. For example, (Beethoven's birthday) 12 + 17 + 1770 = 1799.

 

Enter 1779/22 into the app and select "Divide." It will give you several answers. Scroll down to find "Mixed Number Form." The remainder (top number of the fraction) is your tarot card

 

https://www.mathway.com/ProblemWidget.aspx?subject=Algebra&affiliateid=affil18092

 

Beethoven would be 17. Star.

 

Incidentally, if I do a "straight add" of my birthday using other methods, I also get "13" (reduced to"4") for my tarot cards...

 

I think this is also the method used to calculate destiny matrix numerology the fool is 22

[Aliki]

2 hours ago, Misterei said:

 

I had no idea there were so many methods!

 

I first read about Birth Cards in Book of Thoth. Like everything Crowley, it was a bit intense and complex. Then I got the Angeles Arrien book … her birth card system is based-on Crowley … but more user friendly. You have birth card, personality card, yearly card cycles.

Arrien provides a work sheet so you can list the yearly cards for your whole life.

I quite like it.

It reminds me a bit of the Dasha planetary cycles in Vedic astrology … just conceptually … the mechanics are totally different. But its quite interesting to see the repeating cycles throughout one’s whole life.

 

My birth cards are Hermit and Moon … quite accurate really … they even align with my natal chart (astrology) as I have Virgo Moon (Hermit) and Moon is my AmatyaKaraka (I read the Moon as planetary trump for Luna NOT zodiac trump for pisces).

 

Anyway, with those two cards … is it any wonder I became a tarot reader and astrologer? };>

Yes it's weird how these draws add up on your placements this and personal favourites this reminded me when i asked my decks for my personal description card thought got the 9 of cups on two decks that's piscean energy if i remember well I'm a virgo with a pisces south node