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Speaking of Ganecrafter, the Popov is fm the 1880s. An updated Will of Lenormand (??) deck. That's what the creators say... Still just 36 cards. You may or may not appreciate the 5-6 cards w diff embems, but they relate to the basic meanings. I think the deck is charming. Lovely deep colors to boot.

July 1, 2021

7 hours ago, bastetly said:

Speaking of Ganecrafter, the Popov is fm the 1880s. An updated Will of Lenormand (??) deck. That's what the creators say... Still just 36 cards. You may or may not appreciate the 5-6 cards w diff embems, but they relate to the basic meanings. I think the deck is charming. Lovely deep colors to boot.

Drat. Dratdratdratdratdrat. 😠

I saw images of that one online years ago - I'm talking 2002 or so, when I was just getting started - and I've been hoping ever since for a reproduction to add to my little cache of not-quite-Lenormands. But they've gone and tampered with it:

"Popov Lenormand has been revised to meet the needs of today's reader. The cards have been improved -- renumbered to conform more closely to the traditional standard pattern, with numbers, suit inserts and a new back added... Experienced readers may find the different cards have been selected to conform to traditional meaning as closely as possible in Popov Lenormand."

In other words, they've tried to shoehorn it into what we think of as "standard" Lenormand - but it ISN'T. Cat and Fox are pretty interchangeable other than "red hair", we were just talking about that in another thread. But you can't equate a lobster dinner with the Garden. I wish they'd left it alone and printed it as it originally was instead of trying to forcefit it.

The good news is that they mention "other reproductions." I'm going to see if I can find one.

July 1, 2021

1 hour ago, katrinka said:

In other words, they've tried to shoehorn it into what we think of as "standard" Lenormand - but it ISN'T.

This. Its beauty is that it is different — a cousin.

1 hour ago, katrinka said:

But you can't equate a lobster dinner with the Garden. I wish they'd left it alone and printed it as it originally was instead of trying to forcefit it.

You would have thought that would have raised alarm bells.

A missed opportunity. Sad.

July 1, 2021

I messaged the seller and asked if it's possible to purchase the deck as it originally was, without the renumbering and PC insets. Now I wait.

They obviously have scans, I think they can do this. The question is whether they will.

July 2, 2021

8 hours ago, katrinka said:

I messaged the seller and asked if it's possible to purchase the deck as it originally was, without the renumbering and PC insets. Now I wait.

They obviously have scans, I think they can do this. The question is whether they will.

I have the deck. I would love to see the originals IF they ARE different. I think I read their description differently. It sounded to me as though the alternate cards were fm the original. Mainly bc I certainly don't see them as improvements by any means. If they wanted to make it more Lenormand-y, then why those cards?

19 hours ago, katrinka said:

Experienced readers may find the different cards have been selected to conform to traditional meaning as closely as possible in Popov Lenormand."

Very Odd. The lobster dinner doesn't mean outdoors, but it does imply a get together, a dinner party (for one? lol) A shovel for the whips? A little heavy-handed of a message there. I'll be looking forward to finding out what their reply will be....thanks for digging in on that!

July 2, 2021

4 hours ago, bastetly said:

I have the deck. I would love to see the originals IF they ARE different. I think I read their description differently. It sounded to me as though the alternate cards were fm the original. Mainly bc I certainly don't see them as improvements by any means. If they wanted to make it more Lenormand-y, then why those cards?

Welp. You're in luck, here are images of the originals - sort of, card 21 is missing and even though it's a tall, narrow deck, these images look stretched:

http://www.tarotistas.com/secciones/tarot/bar-Will_Lenormand

That link was sent to me by Unhelpful Seller, who replied and suggested I have a deck printed from them.

Um, no. I need a much higher resolution to have a deck printed up. And I want the full deck. And I would like for the images not to be stretched.

But it does give you an idea of what the cards are supposed to look like.

July 2, 2021

Disappointing. It is rather bizarre to suggest printing from those scans. They are so poor quality.

July 2, 2021

4 hours ago, katrinka said:

Welp. You're in luck, here are images of the originals - sort of, card 21 is missing and even though it's a tall, narrow deck, these images look stretched:

http://www.tarotistas.com/secciones/tarot/bar-Will_Lenormand

That link was sent to me by Unhelpful Seller, who replied and suggested I have a deck printed from them.

Um, no. I need a much higher resolution to have a deck printed up. And I want the full deck. And I would like for the images not to be stretched.

But it does give you an idea of what the cards are supposed to look like.

But those cards are the very same emblems in the available deck. They are no different. Strange that the cards are being labelec underneath w tarot titles. Glad those are not written on the actual cards. Were there really 52 cards originally? hmmmmm

Edited July 2, 2021 by bastetly

July 2, 2021

3 hours ago, bastetly said:

But those cards are the very same emblems in the available deck. They are no different. Strange that the cards are being labelec underneath w tarot titles. Glad those are not written on the actual cards. Were there really 52 cards originally? hmmmmm

There have always been 36. I don't know why that website put Tarot titles under the images.

What has been tampered with is the numbering. If you look at the original deck, the Mice, for example, are at number 6. But the "regular" Lenormand has Clouds at 6, and this deck has been altered to follow that. The original Popov has its own idiosyncratic numbering with the Park at 5, Stars at 13, Scythe at 14, Dog at 15, Stork at 16, etc. Additionally, there should be no playing card assignments.

The deck isn't unreadable the way she's done it, but it's inauthentic and her assignments for the cards that are unique to this deck don't make sense. A swan is not a Lily, nor is a Lobster Dinner a Park. It's a disappointment to look at, and if I had it I'd end up not using it. Historic decks are worthy of preservation, I don't like seeing them butchered.

Edited July 2, 2021 by katrinka

July 3, 2021

@katrinka I've actually never read w the Popov because of those different cards, Since Unhelpful Seller 😝 tried to fit them into Lenormand meanings, there was no LWB explaining the non-Lennie cards, which would've been nice to have. When I google Will of Lenormand or the Katerina Lenormand, the links below (which are OLD) are all I get.

I'm still glad to have the deck if only for the beautiful cards, and I can still play around w them. I wonder if the original came w any instructions?

https://historicalretrospective.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/katerina-russian-style-lenormand/

The Katerina?

https://historicalretrospective.wordpress.com/about/

Do you know Catherine Brown or her blog? (I wonder if she's on this forum LOL).... Angela Sh. did apparently

https://www.thegamecrafter.com/games/katerina-lenormand-numbered-edition

She used to sell the deck minus the suits on GC.

I'll bet you know someone who could restore this deck back to its 1880s swag 😎

Edited July 3, 2021 by bastetly

July 3, 2021

15 minutes ago, bastetly said:

https://historicalretrospective.wordpress.com/about/

Do you know Catherine Brown or her blog? (I wonder if she's on this forum LOL).... Angela Sh. did apparently

I remember Catherine. She did several decks — including a Wust. I seem to recall she disappeared after issues with orders.

July 3, 2021

12 minutes ago, timtoldrum said:

I remember Catherine. She did several decks — including a Wust. I seem to recall she disappeared after issues with orders.

Yes, she had a Wust on there.

I wonder if the Katerina Lenormand she was selling is the Russian-ization of her name? probably

Edited July 3, 2021 by bastetly

July 3, 2021

1 hour ago, bastetly said:

Do you know Catherine Brown or her blog? (I wonder if she's on this forum LOL).... Angela Sh. did apparently

I don't recall ever hearing of her until Unhelpful Seller mentioned the Katerina and I googled all that stuff.
I don't see any posts made after 2013. I'd have certainly purchased it then, had I known about it.

1 hour ago, bastetly said:

I'll bet you know someone who could restore this deck back to its 1880s swag 😎

No skills required. If I had high res scans, I'd just have PrintersStudio or MakePlayingCards make me a copy.
In linen. 😁

July 4, 2021

It took a little trekking through the scummy side of the net, but I think I may have found the scans I need. Downloading...

PrintersStudio does some nice stock. @Raggydoll had a Greenwood made there and inspired me to do the same.

I liked it well enough to get a fancy leather case for it. 😃

So this way, I get the Popov and Unhelpful Seller doesn't get my money. WIN/WIN. 😁

Edited July 4, 2021 by katrinka

July 4, 2021

WOW those look great and that CASE...drooling haha.

SO using google instead of my normal searxher, I easily found a promising download. But it might be wise to wait and see how @katrinka's turned out first.

I can't believe my duckgogo search engine only provided me w two 8 year old links . 🥸

Was using Google what you meant by the scummy-side of the web?? 🤣 🤣

July 4, 2021

14 minutes ago, bastetly said:

Was using Google what you meant by the scummy-side of the web?? 🤣

Much scummier, I'm grabbing it from a dodgy torrent site.
Do never visit these places without a knife in your boot and some good antimalware. 🤣

It's 81.4% downloaded, almost there.

July 7, 2021

I would love to know where you located that case, it is stunning!

July 7, 2021

5 minutes ago, WizardintheWoods said:

I would love to know where you located that case, it is stunning!

Etsy. https://www.etsy.com/shop/TarotLeatherBags

It was a splurge - they're excellent quality and worth the price, but their shipping from the UK is outrageous. So I resisted for about a year.
Finally I had to have just one, just a small one... :evil:

July 7, 2021

On 7/4/2021 at 1:28 AM, katrinka said:

PrintersStudio does some nice stock. @Raggydoll had a Greenwood made there and inspired me to do the same.

The cards look fantastic. Chesca’s artwork is beautiful and the colours really pop in them.

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