Guest libra Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 So like reading tarot cards while skydiving, right? Nah just kidding, I'm more talking about reading cards past their traditional meanings. It's taking what you that know of a card, and going beyond that to nearly the other side - so, almost like reading a reversal, but ... not really. You'll end up seeing the dark side of a "lighter" card, and the silver lining of a darker card, often, but not in the normal reversal sort of way. Let me go into it here, using the 10 of Cups as an example. That's pretty much as idealistic of a card as you can get! Mom & Dad, 2 children dancing, a little house on property with a stream... They've got it all! The perfect, nuclear family! But, perfection is hard to uphold. In a perfect family, where is the room to deviate from that perfection? In a storybook perfect family, Mom cooks and cleans and cares for the children, while Daddy goes off to provide for the family, and the big brother takes care of the little sister when people pull her pigtails, but what if Mom doesn't want to cook, and the big brother is more of a gentle, introverted type? They have this image to uphold, but there's only so long you can smile without faltering. Pushing this "happy family" image to the extreme paints this family in a bit darker of a light, tension under the surface of the idealistic image it shows. I think that Death is a card that has this done this type of thinking applied to it a lot naturally. We look at the Death of whatever needs to die, then beyond that death, beyond the decomposition of that death, straight to the space that has been fertilized by that Death, ready for new growth to start. I like to dig into cards in this way to stop myself from getting stuck in a certain meaning. Giving a bit of thought about what following the line of thought of the normal meaning of the card right to the extreme gives a bit of insight into what the long-term implications of the card may be!
Guest libra Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Another example that came to me was the 3 of Cups, using Shadowscapes as an example! I'm watching the three mermaids over their cup in turn, round and round in a slow circle. They find joy in their comraderie and the balance between them! Round and round they go, laughter and sharing between them. Faster and faster they go, the momentum pushing them upward and pulling everything near them into their cycle. Water and debris and even nearby creatures get caught in their wake, and still they laugh and share and play. The water is rising with their energy, breaking through the water line - a typhoon has formed around them, and still they laugh... In a situation where the 3 of Cups is showing its extreme side, it might be taking about the destruction that can come when you get too caught up in your little circle of people, only thinking of the pleasure gained with them, and not of how it affects the others around you!
EmpressAdora Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 This is exactly the sort of thing that I was talking about in the reversal thread. For example, I had a friend ask what sex would be like with her partner. Not sure if the exactl wording but something along those lines. I remember the devil card being there. This I think traditionally would mean something kinky maybe some bondage. Something of that nature. However, the extreme side of it might say that his kinks were too much for her to handle. Sorry tmi lol. Just the first example that popped into mind. So, my question is then, if not just for reversals. When do you think think sort of extreme interpretation would come into play? Just observations of surrounding cards etc? So, for your ten of cups example. A more negative card with it like make them 10 of wands? That would lead you to believe that we’re moving into the shadow side/ extreme interpretation of the card, or is it more intuitive than that? I’m really intrigued by this conversation, thanks for posting it!
Guest libra Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 This is exactly the sort of thing that I was talking about in the reversal thread. For example, I had a friend ask what sex would be like with her partner. Not sure if the exactl wording but something along those lines. I remember the devil card being there. This I think traditionally would mean something kinky maybe some bondage. Something of that nature. However, the extreme side of it might say that his kinks were too much for her to handle. Sorry tmi lol. Just the first example that popped into mind. So, my question is then, if not just for reversals. When do you think think sort of extreme interpretation would come into play? Just observations of surrounding cards etc? So, for your ten of cups example. A more negative card with it like make them 10 of wands? That would lead you to believe that we’re moving into the shadow side/ extreme interpretation of the card, or is it more intuitive than that? I’m really intrigued by this conversation, thanks for posting it! A lot of the time, it's entirely intuitive! Like, this will come up in single card pulls, the energy of the card amplifying for me, deeper and deeper until this shadow-esque reading comes into light. Aside from that, in a spread, if a card just doesn't fit the spread position - a typically happy card where you're fears are represented, for example - then often it'll read like this. It's not exactly a reversal in my mind, but it is a differing aspect. And like you mentioned, surrounding cards can really play into it! Especially when you have a spread that seems really cohesive, except for one card that doesn't fit. The other cards in the spread like... Tug on the meaning of the one that is odd, and distort it almost!
EmpressAdora Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 This is exactly the sort of thing that I was talking about in the reversal thread. For example, I had a friend ask what sex would be like with her partner. Not sure if the exactl wording but something along those lines. I remember the devil card being there. This I think traditionally would mean something kinky maybe some bondage. Something of that nature. However, the extreme side of it might say that his kinks were too much for her to handle. Sorry tmi lol. Just the first example that popped into mind. So, my question is then, if not just for reversals. When do you think think sort of extreme interpretation would come into play? Just observations of surrounding cards etc? So, for your ten of cups example. A more negative card with it like make them 10 of wands? That would lead you to believe that we’re moving into the shadow side/ extreme interpretation of the card, or is it more intuitive than that? I’m really intrigued by this conversation, thanks for posting it! A lot of the time, it's entirely intuitive! Like, this will come up in single card pulls, the energy of the card amplifying for me, deeper and deeper until this shadow-esque reading comes into light. Aside from that, in a spread, if a card just doesn't fit the spread position - a typically happy card where you're fears are represented, for example - then often it'll read like this. It's not exactly a reversal in my mind, but it is a differing aspect. And like you mentioned, surrounding cards can really play into it! Especially when you have a spread that seems really cohesive, except for one card that doesn't fit. The other cards in the spread like... Tug on the meaning of the one that is odd, and distort it almost! I really like what you’re getting at here. For me when reading, there are a lot of times when the reversal or tradition meaning of the card just doesn’t seem to gel with the rest of the reading. I learned to read on intuition alone pretty much. It had always facsinated me. A friend bought me my first deck as a birthday gift. It was nearly entirely pictureless. The majority of the card were pretty much traditional playing cards. So, I relied very heavily on the numerology associated with the cards and just gutt instinct. I think this is where a lot of my struggle with reversals came in to play. It just didn’t seem to fit with the feeling of the whole reading. Or, the whole reading was “good” cards reversed. It just seemed off to me that the tarot would provide those cards to say that the outcome was unfavorable. When all else pointed to sunshine and rainbows. I think this is where your idea comes into play. I think as a newer reader I had this idealism in my head where I relied to heavy on book and traditional meanings and cast aside my own feelings for the reading. This didn’t work out too well either for obvious reasons. I have spend a lot of time studying and reading and researching before realizing that the books aren’t always right. The tarot is tapping into your own intuition and understanding. So to sort of but that learned meanings on the back burner was a difficult task for me. However, think now that I have been going more on gutts that books I feel much more confident in the reading I’m giving, it that makes sense.
popmygoddess Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Does anyone remember the Death and Tarot group that had livechats on Youtube? Raven talked about the Empress like this. She can be very nurturing, but she could also be either the helicopter mother OR the mom is so laissez-faire you could probably consider it as neglect of the child.
EmpressAdora Posted November 6, 2018 Posted November 6, 2018 Does anyone remember the Death and Tarot group that had livechats on Youtube? Raven talked about the Empress like this. She can be very nurturing, but she could also be either the helicopter mother OR the mom is so laissez-faire you could probably consider it as neglect of the child. This is another really good example! The emperor also come to mind. Moving from a stability to move of a controlling domineering sort of nature.
DanielJUK Posted November 7, 2018 Posted November 7, 2018 of course, totally agree. We become better readers by thinking about the meaning and looking at the card and thinking / feeling how it applies in the reading, each reading! The meanings change and have a scale or range! But I would also say that they don't always turn up as an extreme version of their traditional meaning, it really changes each time you see the card :) It's helpful for me to look where my eye is drawn each time, what part of the card or symbol? that normally is the most important message in this reading :)
Thoughtful Posted November 7, 2018 Posted November 7, 2018 l would read the 10Cups as it is portrayed. But the exception would be on the surrounding cards and how l might see the darker element of the 10Cups. If the 8 cups was nearby then it all has a different texture of meaning. For example happy wonderful contented life on the surface but underneath the yearning to get away from the rut or drudge to seek something more in their life. This is the reason l do not see the need to use reversals, all the positive and negative are in the deck upright.
EmpressAdora Posted November 7, 2018 Posted November 7, 2018 of course, totally agree. We become better readers by thinking about the meaning and looking at the card and thinking / feeling how it applies in the reading, each reading! The meanings change and have a scale or range! But I would also say that they don't always turn up as an extreme version of their traditional meaning, it really changes each time you see the card :) It's helpful for me to look where my eye is drawn each time, what part of the card or symbol? that normally is the most important message in this reading :) I think what you say here is key, and really solid advise. Sometimes I feel over learned, if that makes sense. Just second guessing my instincts with things I know it could be. I think it helps to get back to basics and as you have suggested, just look at the card. It’s so silly and sounds so simple but it really rings true for me. As someone who has really read and read and read and researched I think I overburden myself with knowledge and put instinct on the back burner some times!
Guest libra Posted November 7, 2018 Posted November 7, 2018 of course, totally agree. We become better readers by thinking about the meaning and looking at the card and thinking / feeling how it applies in the reading, each reading! The meanings change and have a scale or range! But I would also say that they don't always turn up as an extreme version of their traditional meaning, it really changes each time you see the card :) It's helpful for me to look where my eye is drawn each time, what part of the card or symbol? that normally is the most important message in this reading :) Re: bolded section I added: Of course! I'm definitely not putting this idea out there as the be-all-end-all of going, that's out, only extreme meanings allowed now! I wouldn't even say that it's a common meaning to come up when doing actual readings lol. I'm more proposing it as a thought exercise to use alongside normal readings to expand how how you think about a card, to almost shake up the traditional meanings. I think it's most helpful for people who've gotten an understanding of what the cards mean in theory, but also are instated in digging past the 101 level.
~D~ Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 So like reading tarot cards while skydiving, right? Nah just kidding, I'm more talking about reading cards past their traditional meanings. It's taking what you that know of a card, and going beyond that to nearly the other side - so, almost like reading a reversal, but ... not really. You'll end up seeing the dark side of a "lighter" card, and the silver lining of a darker card, often, but not in the normal reversal sort of way. Let me go into it here, using the 10 of Cups as an example. That's pretty much as idealistic of a card as you can get! Mom & Dad, 2 children dancing, a little house on property with a stream... They've got it all! The perfect, nuclear family! But, perfection is hard to uphold. In a perfect family, where is the room to deviate from that perfection? In a storybook perfect family, Mom cooks and cleans and cares for the children, while Daddy goes off to provide for the family, and the big brother takes care of the little sister when people pull her pigtails, but what if Mom doesn't want to cook, and the big brother is more of a gentle, introverted type? They have this image to uphold, but there's only so long you can smile without faltering. Pushing this "happy family" image to the extreme paints this family in a bit darker of a light, tension under the surface of the idealistic image it shows. I think that Death is a card that has this done this type of thinking applied to it a lot naturally. We look at the Death of whatever needs to die, then beyond that death, beyond the decomposition of that death, straight to the space that has been fertilized by that Death, ready for new growth to start. I like to dig into cards in this way to stop myself from getting stuck in a certain meaning. Giving a bit of thought about what following the line of thought of the normal meaning of the card right to the extreme gives a bit of insight into what the long-term implications of the card may be! Hi! libra[/member] (I wrote you, so you know this is here), getting message thread is 120 days old...but i think this might be what you talking about??? <3 Do you mean this kind of situation with some cards? I've written about this card before, its pretty much the card of love,relationships, soul mates, sex, choices, and getting married. I had a question presented to me the other day from a reading with an overall negative tone, and the person wanted to know a bit more so we pulled a clarifying card. "The Lovers" came up making things even more confusing...I read reversals, but this wasn't reversed. I wanted to see if there was any other meanings, and all I could figure out is if you didn't read reversals and you got this card in a more negative toned reading it might mean,"I really really love you"!!!! I mean as in obsessing.. *Without going into too much detail for obvious reasons, the question was sort of about why a family member wasn't contacting other family members anymore.. This was cut and pasted from my blog, that's why it sounds worded funny..& I'm not sure why my photo says reversed, but I'm always flippin things around in photos ;) D
Guest D76 Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 Tarot cards do not have universal values for each and everyone. Especialy "number cards" ( minor arcana). It all depends on your intuition. For example: today, I see(feel) 10 of Cups as a "surplus of feelings", but, tomorrow, I will see the same card as "death." These are -- ordinary number cards.....Nothing more. Another story about Major Arcana...because MA "feels like" global archetypes, >:D :party: 8) :rainbow: :heartz:....somewhere at the level of the collective unconscious (or something like that). These "archetypes" are understandable for everyone. Because they are - universal. But, what is 10 of Cups, or 7 of Swords, or 2 of Wands....and so on.....Very subjective. Very, very, very..... imho. (sorry for me English).
~D~ Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 Tarot cards do not have universal values for each and everyone. Especialy "number cards" ( minor arcana). It all depends on your intuition. For example: today, I see(feel) 10 of Cups as a "surplus of feelings", but, tomorrow, I will see the same card as "death." These are -- ordinary number cards.....Nothung more. Another story about Major Arcana...because MA "feels like" global archetypes, >:D :party: 8) :rainbow: :heartz:....somewhere at the level of the collective unconscious (or something like that). These "archetypes" are understandable for everyone. Because they are - universal. But, what is 10 of Cups, or 7 of Swords, or 2 of Wands....and so on.....Very subjective. Very, very, very..... imho. (sorry for me English). Hi! D76, Cool that someone came by and answered, was so hoping libra[/member] would swing by and speak on it a bit...Good to have basic meanings down of the cards that are sort of the common thoughts on each card(from books etc)...Then also look at the art of the card, and the 2 of those things together IMO invite intuition...Also maybe getting a vibe from the person your doing cards for, either on line and or maybe in person...<3
Guest D76 Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 Then also look at the art of the card, and the 2 of those things together IMO invite intuition...Also maybe getting a vibe from the person your doing cards for, either on line and or maybe in person...<3 exactly :thumbsup:
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