Antort Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 I know some cards have more than one meaning. My wife did a reading this morning and she believes that a certain person is going to die. I am trying to figure out if she is correct.
Thoughtful Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 That's quite a large spread of cards, what made her think someone was going to die? Which cards indicated that for her.
Antort Posted February 5, 2019 Author Posted February 5, 2019 The woman on the bottom right on the horse with a club (please excuse my ignorance with explaining). She said that one card means bed and the other one means the end of something, and that together they always mean death.
Cookie Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 Every card has a huge range of meanings,...( i've never heard of a card meaning bed though). And even if a card did mean bed and the other the end of something -- then that could mean anything from buying a new bed to the end of lie-ins for whatever reason, and anything in-between. The last thing i would think of is someone's death with these cards. Don't worry Antort[/member] .
Thoughtful Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 I'm with cookie here l cannot see indications of a death. I cannot see the card you mention unfortunately. How long has your wife been reading cards?
hierophant Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 I have never heard of any specific combination always meaning death of a person.
Guest Night Shade Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 I agree with Cookie[/member] and Thoughtful[/member] . The cards don't always mean the same thing, especially in combination, and a prediction of actual death is extremely rare. That's a huge spread that she used, so the range of possible meanings is even greater. I would suggest that she start with a smaller spread (especially if she's a beginner) and stick with more positive or spiritual questions. One thing I have to add is that it's probably a bad idea to read for someone without their permission (if that's what she did). Even if she did have the other person's permission, it is definitely a bad idea to suggest that they're going to die. If your wife has concerns for this person, maybe she could ask them if they would like a reading on how they can live their best life, or something like that.
Grandma Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 Hi Antort, and welcome to TT&M. It's good of you to want to help your wife, but I don't think you and she are starting with a good understanding of tarot. Where is your wife getting her information? Just about everything you say she believes seems to be wrong. Every card has more than one meaning, and each meaning can vary depending on the spread used, the position in the spread, the deck, the question, the person asking the question, the reader. The point of using a spread is to read the whole spread. Picking out two cards from a spread of at least 32 cards is a misunderstanding of the concept of a spread at best. I've never heard of such a thing. A spread of 28 cards is unwieldy at best. I've never heard of that either. There is no card that means "bed". There is no combination of cards that always means "death", or always means anything. Even the Death card doesn't always mean "death"! Whether tarot can even predict future events is a matter of debate. And everything else everyone else suggested while I was writing. Here's a suggestion - post one more comment, which will bring you to the five required to ask for help with a reading. Go to the Readings section of the forum. Read the rules carefully. Post your wife's reading with a detailed explanation of the spread she used and a detailed explanation of how she is interpreting every card individually and how she is interpreting the whole spread. Make sure she is prepared to give detailed feedback to everyone who responds with their own interpretations. Now I don't think that is going to work at all, do you? So here is a better suggestion: There are many resources for learning tarot, and if you can't find some in Spanish, find some in English and translate them for her. I'd bet good money that there are plenty in Spanish, though. I wouldn't even be surprised if there are Spanish speaking forums - not that I'm trying to get rid of you! And I've been wrong about bigger things than this, so maybe most resources are indeed not in Spanish. In the meantime, read to her from this forum. The Reading sections, Talking Tarot, and Using Tarot are all places where we learn from each other. Who knows - maybe you will get so interested that you will become a tarot reader yourself! Love, Grandma
Antort Posted February 5, 2019 Author Posted February 5, 2019 Thank you everyone for all the feedback. She is kind of new and was taught by a woman that was taught herself by another woman that does readings for the Mexican Cartel. Do tarot readings vary by countries? Again, I am sorry for my ignorance, she said that each line represents something different, my home, what I want to know about the future, about your past, and something else. This was an actual reading she did on herself by the way.
Flaxen Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 Welcome to the forum! By the looks of it, your wife is following a more cartomantic/fortune telling tradition of tarot. That approach is quite common in parts of Europe. The English speaking world has been more heavily influenced by the RWS tradition. It’s just that she will be speaking a different tarot ‘language’ to the majority here. It doesn’t mean she is wrong but that her interpretations will be quite different. Perhaps you could ask where she has got her meanings from?
Guest Night Shade Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 Reading for yourself is extremely difficult, especially with a large spread like the one your wife used. I think it would be best if she held off on self-readings until she learns a little more about the cards, and what they mean. Tarot isn't a tool meant to frighten, it's a tool meant to enlighten and inspire, and she shouldn't be seeing death in them.
Thoughtful Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 Tarot readings should not necessarily change in different countries. But with your explanation of how she is reading the cards, it reminds me more of someone using the Lenormand cards technique, those cards use the type of layout your wife used. Quite different to tarot spreads. Its just a thought, l may be wrong.
Flaxen Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 Cross-posted with you. :) It sounds like her meanings will be very specific to the tradition she’s learnt from. The best thing would be for her to practice with this for a while - keep notes on her readings and check for accuracy.
Raggydoll Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 Thank you everyone for all the feedback. She is kind of new and was taught by a woman that was taught herself by another woman that does readings for the Mexican Cartel. Do tarot readings vary by countries? Again, I am sorry for my ignorance, she said that each line represents something different, my home, what I want to know about the future, about your past, and something else. This was an actual reading she did on herself by the way. Well, first of all. This is not a traditional 78 card tarot deck but a Spanish cartomancy style deck, so yes - the interpretations would vary from what most people here are used to. It’s not uncommon that those cards are read more like playing cards or Lenormand cards and they will generally have much more dramatic and ‘fortune-teller’ type interpretations that can vary greatly from one reader to another (and it seems quite common that people have been taught by other readers instead of by learning from a book). With all that said, I still disagree with your wife’s conclusions. And I believe that the system she was taught was heavily influenced from the circumstances in which it was used. I strongly suggest that your wife tries to find a book or an online source for complementary card interpretations so that she can see and feel the difference for herself. As far as I’m concerned, reading cards are supposed to add value to your life - not to frighten you (or anyone else). Good luck to the both of you!
Grandma Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 By the looks of it, your wife is following a more cartomantic/fortune telling tradition of tarot. That approach is quite common in parts of Europe. The English speaking world has been more heavily influenced by the RWS tradition. It sounds like her meanings will be very specific to the tradition she’s learnt from. The best thing would be for her to practice with this for a while - keep notes on her readings and check for accuracy. Well, first of all. This is not a traditional 78 card tarot deck but a Spanish cartomancy style deck, so yes - the interpretations would vary from what most people here are used to. It’s not uncommon that those cards are read more like playing cards or Lenormand cards and they will generally have much more dramatic and ‘fortune-teller’ type interpretations that can vary greatly from one reader to another (and it seems quite common that people have been taught by other readers instead of by learning from a book). With all that said, I still disagree with your wife’s conclusions. And I believe that the system she was taught was heavily influenced from the circumstances in which it was used. I strongly suggest that your wife tries to find a book or an online source for complementary card interpretations so that she can see and feel the difference for herself. As far as I’m concerned, reading cards are supposed to add value to your life - not to frighten you (or anyone else). Good luck to the both of you! This is so interesting, Flaxen and Raggydoll - I had no idea! Antort - In this case, perhaps a good place to ask for help is from the woman who taught your wife. On a side note, I wasn't aware there was one specific organization called "the Mexican Cartel" and if there is, I wouldn't want to be their tarot reader.
Saturn Celeste Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 Thank you everyone for all the feedback. She is kind of new and was taught by a woman that was taught herself by another woman that does readings for the Mexican Cartel. Do tarot readings vary by countries? Again, I am sorry for my ignorance, she said that each line represents something different, my home, what I want to know about the future, about your past, and something else. This was an actual reading she did on herself by the way. Hi Antort! I think your wife might be thinking of one type of deck but the deck she used is not what she thinks it is. Bed sounds like it could be from an oracle deck but what it looks like she is using is a tarot deck. We have a mentor program here where if she is interested in learning the cards, she can join. She would sign up here: https://www.thetarotforum.com/tarot-mentorship/student-sign-up/120/ Even in tarot the Death card does not mean physical death so I think she might be confused in all of this but please, calm her down and let her know that no one is going to die because of her reading. ^-^
Antort Posted February 5, 2019 Author Posted February 5, 2019 The woman that taught her was reading for one of the Mexican drug cartel as well, and out of fear she stopped. Since then her and my wife had a falling out and cannot seek her for advice. My wife feels because of the environment that she was taught in they have learned how to read death properly, if that makes any sense. She just threw the cards again, and she got almost the same exact thing, death and all. She has been doing this off and on for about a year. This is all kind of new to me, I tend to not get involved too much, but today's reading peeked my interest, lol.
Antort Posted February 5, 2019 Author Posted February 5, 2019 Added note... she said that the bed card means different things depending on how they are arranged it could mean sex or infidelity as well as illness.
Thoughtful Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 l feel that there is not much else we can say, as the system she is using is not one we are familiar with here. The cards she used are universally accepted but she has obviously been taught a very different way to use and read with them. So l have to say l was wrong in saying tarot card readings should not change, in this case the system your wife is using is very different.
Antort Posted February 5, 2019 Author Posted February 5, 2019 Either way, I do appreciate all the feedback. This seems like a great community :)
Saturn Celeste Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 Added note... she said that the bed card means different things depending on how they are arranged it could mean sex or infidelity as well as illness. I see, the deck she's using is the Baraja Espanola--I actually have that deck. Sadly my instructions are in Spanish and I am not familiar with that card style. I have found some information on the meanings of the cards in this deck: https://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=275816 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_playing_cards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_playing_cards I'm sorry I can't help you further but this has been a very interesting discussion!
Antort Posted February 5, 2019 Author Posted February 5, 2019 Thank you for the links, and thank you all again for all your help.
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